Presidential Election: 11/3/20 ---Now the President Elect Joe Biden Thread

[StillUnknown]

54 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

Rumors flying around that Andrew Yang is about to announce a run for NYC Mayor. Would support him 100%. 
 

 

Could be a good platform for him if he wants to make a more serious run at president in the future

[No Excuses]

[StillUnknown]

 

[TradeTheBeal!]

Thanks again, Liz.

 

Where you go, I shall follow.

[Momma There Goes That Man]

8 hours ago, Nerm said:

 

Or the kinds of things that are said about Trump supporters.  

 

But those ignorant, hateful, violent, hypocrite, inbred, bitter, red state Nazis deserve it.

 

You're a Cowboys fan, you know the deal. 

 

7 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:

Thanks again, Liz.

 

Where you go, I shall follow.

 

 

[TradeTheBeal!]

I roll a little deeper than that @Momma There Goes That Man

 

 

[@DCGoldPants]

Bernie Bros deleting their tweets tagging Warren with the Snake Emoji this AM.

[TheDoyler23]

I like Warren a lot and hope she is important to the next administration. It's a shame because she seems like a compromise between the centrist Biden type and the well-left Sanders camp. For voters like myself, I feel like there isn't a middle ground between these two. 

[NoCalMike]

So in retrospect, is/was Biden the only one standing in the way of Bernie getting the nomination?  It didn't seem like any of the other moderates caught on enough with the masses to stifle Bernie's loyal following.  We will never fully know because there is a chance someone like Warren would have had much more support or even someone like Klobuchar, but I think it is interesting to ponder.   

[Springfield]

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[NoCalMike]

18 minutes ago, TheDoyler23 said:

I like Warren a lot and hope she is important to the next administration. It's a shame because she seems like a compromise between the centrist Biden type and the well-left Sanders camp. For voters like myself, I feel like there isn't a middle ground between these two. 

 

The shame about Warren is that she is a good example of the masses seeming to be much less interested in policy than ideas.

[mcsluggo]

17 hours ago, Forehead said:

 

For Biden, anyone who isn't a white male and can shore up a demographic.  I like Kamala but California is already in the bag for Democrats.  I'd say Stacey Abrams for the African American/women vote or Klobuchar for the midwest/women vote.  

 

I don't really want to consider the idea of Bernie as the nominee, but at this point, i'd say any competent moderate to balance him out.

 

16 hours ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

He already has the black vote.  He needs some Hispanic help

 

biden already has strong support from both blacks and hispanics, and it is hard to see much success from trump and the russian facebook bots peeling off that support...

 

so if the pick is purely mercenary, then Biden EASILY should pick someone pointed at attracting progressives, particularly young ones and getting that notoriously fickle group (young voters) to actually show up at the polls.   If Elizabeth Warren could do that, she would be a great choice.   He could also potentially promise during the campaign to put her in charge of some important issue from day 1 --- if they could come to some prior agreement on what healthcare reform should look like in broad strokes, that one would potentially be an AWESOME choice.   The issue really gets people's juices flowing;   She would do a great job in that role;     and if finessed appropriately, it could shore up some of the support from the progressive wing, without scaring off the centrists that hate trump but are also terrified of <<whatever they believe socialism to be>> 

 

If it is Sanders.... he damned well BETTER grab a solid/centrist/establishment figure... somebody to reassure non-progressives nervous about <<whatever they believe socialism to be>>

 

IN my opinion, Elizabeth Warren can be trusted to be both progressive on the issue, AND pragmatic enough to actually get things done...  https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-11-20/elizabeth-warren-medicare-all-healthcare-democrats

 

[bearrock]

8 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

So in retrospect, is/was Biden the only one standing in the way of Bernie getting the nomination?  It didn't seem like any of the other moderates caught on enough with the masses to stifle Bernie's loyal following.  We will never fully know because there is a chance someone like Warren would have had much more support or even someone like Klobuchar, but I think it is interesting to ponder.   

 

I think Dems are still majority moderate.  If Biden didn't falter early on, other moderates probably have a hard time honing in.  But the issue was not other moderates being unable to stifle Sanders' following, it was they could never gain any traction with the black voters.  As long as Biden had unflappable support from black moderates, the other moderates had no shot.

[TheDoyler23]

16 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

 

The shame about Warren is that she is a good example of the masses seeming to be much less interested in policy than ideas.

 

 

And name recognition seems/seemed to be really important. Biden and Sanders had a tremendous advantage. Bloomberg spent his way to recognition and it got him to third in the polling and delegates after Super Tuesday. So much easier than say, Pete Whatt-a-gige?

[TheGreatBuzz]

1 hour ago, tshile said:

You know... on that subject... I was disappointed with how that played out. 
 

warren used words To describe what he said that, if taken literally, meant to me that what sanders said was: society has an issue with sexism and currently it’s hard to see how a woman could overcome that to receive enough votes to win

 

but warren presented it in the debate as: a woman isn’t fit to be president because she’s a woman

 

i found her entire presentation on the subject disingenuous at best, and I found sanders to defend himself very poorly

 

i think there’s a huge gap between “society has a sexism problem and right now I don’t think a woman could win” and “I don’t think a woman is fit for president”

 

i was disappointed in warren because I believe she’s smart enough to know exactly what she did, and she did it anyway. 

I’m right there with you on this.  The only question I have is did Warren purposely have that “off mic” talk with him knowing it was being recorded and would get out.  I didn’t like her as much when she tried to become an attack dog.  I liked her more every time I heard her talking about policy even when I didn’t agree with her positions.  I think I was a rare bird in that aspect though.

[mcsluggo]

13 hours ago, PeterMP said:

Given who she decided to endorse, the history there from 2016, and what has happened previously this year, this does seem a little inauthentic the day after her candidate(s) took a pretty bad beating.

 

 

it is NOT being a bad supporter of your choice candidate in a primary to eventually strongly support the eventual primary winner in the general election.  It is also not inauthentic to <very gently, as she did...> point this fact out to people that are starting to rumble like they are moving towards a bridge-burning spoiler type attitude for the general election.   It is being smart.  it is being effective towards actually accomplishing your goals.       

[Springfield]

I would be satisfied with Warren as Biden’s VP.

[mcsluggo]

13 hours ago, visionary said:

<tweets>  including... Fox News is going ALL IN on painting Biden as mentally unfit.

Laura Ingraham says he's "barely functioning" & calls him "the party machine's geriatric puppet."

disgusting stuff.

 

 

this..... from a person that regularly holds a spit-rag under Donald ****ing Trump's addled drooling mouth?

[NoCalMike]

2 minutes ago, mcsluggo said:

 

 

this..... from a person that regularly holds a spit-rag under Donald ****ing Trump's addled drooling mouth?

 

Not to mention constantly vouching for a President that they can't decide whether he "tells it like it is" or "of course he didn't actually mean what he just said"

[Mr. Sinister]

33 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

 

The shame about Warren is that she is a good example of the masses seeming to be much less interested in policy than ideas.

 

I hope she tries again in 4 years. We're gonna need people like her in high positions of govt

[PleaseBlitz]

I think Warren would be awesome in a policy role rather than Veep.  Make her Director of the National Economic Council or CFPB, or simply a close adviser in the West Wing focused on economic issues.  Like Jared, but 1,000 10,000 times more focused, qualified and competent.  

[PeterMP]

1 hour ago, TheDoyler23 said:

I like Warren a lot and hope she is important to the next administration. It's a shame because she seems like a compromise between the centrist Biden type and the well-left Sanders camp. For voters like myself, I feel like there isn't a middle ground between these two. 

 

I actually think her issue is that she didn't do enough to distinguish herself from Sanders.  If there is a policy where she fundamentally disagress with Sanders, I never heard her clearly articulate it.

 

There were two ways for her to win this nomination:

 

1.  Supplant Sanders as the choice of people that are currently progressive.

2.  Recruit new people to the progressive movement that then would vote for her.

 

Those are two very hard things to do.

 

I really think there was room for somebody in this election to stand up and say, I support universal healthcare, but not universal healthcare with no out of pocket costs, which is what Sanders is supporting (and no other western style democracy does to my knowledge).

 

And be that person in between Sanders and Biden.  I just don't think anybody clearly communicated that idea, at least not early enough, or frequent.y enough.

[DogofWar1]

People, largely young people (I'm 29 I'm allowed to address my own people), have underestimated how much most of America just wants to ignore the President 4-5 days a week (sometimes all 7 days).

 

That's what Biden offers.

 

Also in the one area I think major changes CAN happen, healthcare, Biden's strategy is much safer.  I get why young people, who are largely facing the prospect of having to go into a crappy system at age 26, or struggling with early experiences in the crappy system, don't have concerns about Sanders' plans; when you're 25 and about to lose healthcare anyway nbd to have someone suggesting M4A and if it fails you don't lose anything.  But people who have healthcare, even through an imperfect system holding them semi-hostage, are gonna be less okay with venturing into that unknown.

 

I strongly believe a single payer system, once the kinks are worked out, would be the best option nationwide.  But that's a process, not a light switch.

[visionary]

 

[Llevron]

1 hour ago, NoCalMike said:

So in retrospect, is/was Biden the only one standing in the way of Bernie getting the nomination?  It didn't seem like any of the other moderates caught on enough with the masses to stifle Bernie's loyal following.  We will never fully know because there is a chance someone like Warren would have had much more support or even someone like Klobuchar, but I think it is interesting to ponder.   

 

I think Pete, with the kind of back up Biden got in the last week, would have gotten Bernie as well. He just had the minority problem and there was nothing he could do or say to fix it. It was  trust thing. I dont even think the inexperience is too big of a deal with him. 

 

I also wonder how well Warren would have done without Bernie in the race.