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Presidential Election: 11/3/20 ---Now the President Elect Joe Biden Thread

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NoCalMike

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Biden was pretty much on the defense in regards to the Hunter Biden stuff, but as the nominee I would assume his handlers will be prepping him to go on the attack if Trump tries to use it as a talking point.  Basically just do what Trump does and turn the talking point right around on him and question the ethics of his children in their positions, especially the ones who couldn't pass a security clearance until Trump intervened and forced them into their positions anyway.   It doesn't seem like a very difficult issue to turn on Trump with at all, it is just going to come down to whether that is the approach Team Biden takes.

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35 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said:

I don’t think any other Dem candidates supporters act like Bernie’s do in terms of vitriol and self-righteousness. 

On vitriol we’ll disagree.  Being a moderator on a forum has convinced me the internet is simply full of people that lack self control when their finger tap a phone or a keyboard.  Twitter is essentially a comment section for real life, and the vast majority of Americans are not on it.  They behave exactly as you’d expect, and I don’t believe twitter is in any way representative of most people.  
 

On self righteousness, I agree, but it has less to do with Bernie and everything to do with socialists.  Oh what you don’t believe in free health care, college, and whatever else we can think of?!  You support capitalism?!  You monster!  You corporate sell out elitist blah blah blah... 
 

Just wait and see.  Bernie’s viability on the national stage might fall short but he’s emboldened the socialists that were keeping quiet in the big tent.  Now they fancy themselves gate keepers.  Democrats have their own version of the dreaded “tea party” brewing.  I mean the one that radicalized republicans recently, not the Boston Bros throwing tea into the harbor while cosplaying native Americans in the 1700s.

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3 minutes ago, Destino said:

On vitriol we’ll disagree.  Being a moderator on a forum has convinced me the internet is simply full of people that simply lack self control.  Twitter is essentially a comment section for real life, and people behave exactly as you’d expect.  Badly.  Add politics into the mix and it becomes very badly.  
 

On self righteousness, I agree, but it has less to do with Bernie and everything to do with socialists.  It’s like the left wing is developing its own version of the tea party.  Oh what you don’t believe health care is a right?!  You oppose free college?!  You support capitalism?!  You monster!  
 

Just wait and see.  Bernie’s viability on the national stage might fall short but he’s emboldened the socialists that were keeping quiet in the big tent.  Now they fancy themselves gate keepers.  


I guess we’ll disagree on the vitriol. Bernie Bros have that reputation for a reason. 
 

And sure, they fancy themselves a lot of things. People’s heads get big inside their echo chambers.  Socialists make a lot more noise than their actual numbers warrant. Laughably, a lot of that noise is in the form of snake emojis on Twitter, which is not a good reflection of the electorate. 

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8 minutes ago, Destino said:

 

Just wait and see.  Bernie’s viability on the national stage might fall short but he’s emboldened the socialists that were keeping quiet in the big tent.  Now they fancy themselves gate keepers.  

 

I compare Bernie more to a Ron Paul than Trump.  The "Ron Paul revolution" remember that? He was pretty hard-line and unwilling to budge in his beliefs as well, and built a decent following because of it.   

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2 hours ago, Destino said:

Anything looks constant if you report only the instances that fit your agenda.  We could easily play this game with any candidate (with a large amount of online supporters).  Only report or highlight insulting tweets from X candidate’s supporters for six weeks and you’d have the same results.  Does anyone believe any candidate’s supporters are only being polite online?  

 

You're (y'all are) right.  The obvious, only, conclusion that can be drawn from the comments this person received and reported is that there is no difference between Bernie supporters and every other candidate, and that the reporter is engaging in constructing a hit piece via selective reporting of only information that fits his agenda.  

 

1 hour ago, NoCalMike said:

Biden was pretty much on the defense in regards to the Hunter Biden stuff, but as the nominee I would assume his handlers will be prepping him to go on the attack if Trump tries to use it as a talking point.  Basically just do what Trump does and turn the talking point right around on him and question the ethics of his children in their positions, especially the ones who couldn't pass a security clearance until Trump intervened and forced them into their positions anyway.   It doesn't seem like a very difficult issue to turn on Trump with at all, it is just going to come down to whether that is the approach Team Biden takes.

 

Only if you assume that Trump or his supporters care about being obvious hypocrites.  

 

An assumption which I believe has already been thoroughly disproven.  

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2 hours ago, Bacon said:

This guy should read over what Trump supporters are saying! It would blow his mind.

 

Or the kinds of things that are said about Trump supporters.  

 

But those ignorant, hateful, violent, hypocrite, inbred, bitter, red state Nazis deserve it.

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21 minutes ago, Nerm said:

 

Or the kinds of things that are said about Trump supporters.  

 

But those ignorant, hateful, violent, hypocrite, inbred, bitter, red state Nazis deserve it.

 

Yeah, there are a lot of them out there that live up to those adjectives.

 

Not all of them, of course, but enough of a plurality to make a strong comparison to the much-derided Bernie Bro contingency that apparently stalled the man's campaign. It's interesting how behavior makes a difference for some audiences and not others.

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25 minutes ago, Bacon said:

It's interesting how behavior makes a difference for some audiences and not others.

 

It certainly seems to be a case that both groups seem to believe that their **** doesn't stink.  

 

But if your charges of hypocrisy are directed at groups other than the two participants, I will observe that there seem to be a generous contingent of people who have a problem with the actions of both groups.  

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1 hour ago, Larry said:

 

But if your charges of hypocrisy are directed at groups other than the two participants, I will observe that there seem to be a generous contingent of people who have a problem with the actions of both groups.  

 

As they should.

 

My point is that one group has an impact on the political capital of their candidate, while the other serves a candidate that revels in their chaos and seems to benefit from it. This is what I find rather absurd and depressing.

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6 hours ago, Destino said:

On vitriol we’ll disagree.  Being a moderator on a forum has convinced me the internet is simply full of people that lack self control when their finger tap a phone or a keyboard.  Twitter is essentially a comment section for real life, and the vast majority of Americans are not on it.  They behave exactly as you’d expect, and I don’t believe twitter is in any way representative of most people.  

 

Curious question, how many people have felt this way talking to a Bernie supporter in person versus the internet? What was the ratio between "supporter" and "bernie bro" label?

 

Theory, his bases is younger and more likely to be on twitter.  That's not to say it's not worse then other dem candidates supporters, but I believe that's why it looks as "common" as claimed.  A huge point was brought up that the "socialist" arent hiding anymore, but I've brought up before about being careful saying all these Bernie Bros are actual Bernie supporters and wont continue this behave when the next candidate they like shows up, they were here before his campaign.

 

Social media has become a cesspool for saying stuff you woulsnt say in person.  This was a problem before Bernie or Trump presidential campaigns.  We have a bigger problem, saying someone is smacking the hornets best is not addresses theres already Hornets there.  Whether it's a love tap or trying to knock out the tree, the Hornets nest was already there.

 

But snake emoji?  

 

 

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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/486052-sanders-condemns-his-supporters-ugly-personal-attacks-against-warren

 

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“We condemn that,” Sanders said. “We want our supporters to be [talking] about the issues.

 

“[We] don't need ugly, personal attacks against Sen. Warren, or anyone else for that measure,” he added. 

 

He said he had a cordial discussion with Warren as she reassesses her campaign, but would not discuss the private conversation with his colleague and opponent.  

 

 

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Bernie is only going to pick someone who shares the same views; so his veep will be someone like AOC. If she was old enough, it would be her. Maybe Warren.

 

Biden has to pick an African American.  He owes them for rescuing his dying campaign. Also, he needs to build excitement as there will be none for him. It will be worse than Hillary. While Veeps don’t have much impact usually, this time it might. His Veep would be front runner for 2024. Odds are strong his Veep will have to take over at some point in his term.  He needs that 2008 AA turnout if possible. That could help him flip back PA and MI and if he pick Abrams, maybe he flips GA or NC. Abrams is also progressive enough that she will get some of progressives.

 

 

Biden himself is going to be a lousy candidate. He’s going to give a lot of people pause. If he wins, it will only be because enough people just want Trump out. He will be uninspiring. His presidency will be lackluster. He will just become President to get Trump out and to undo some of the damage. In many ways, he’s going to be Hillary 2.0.  His veep will be the one bringing the energy and excitement.  He is going be lousy in attacking Trump. He’s just not that good. It will be miracle if he beats Trump.

 

The main thing of Biden over Sanders; is that under Joe maybe they keep the house and maybe they win back the Senate. This can happen even with Joe losing.

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40 minutes ago, @SkinsGoldPants said:

has to do with the Bros calling Warren a liar and a "snake" for claiming Sanders told her during a meeting a woman couldn't win the election.

You know... on that subject... I was disappointed with how that played out. 
 

warren used words To describe what he said that, if taken literally, meant to me that what sanders said was: society has an issue with sexism and currently it’s hard to see how a woman could overcome that to receive enough votes to win

 

but warren presented it in the debate as: a woman isn’t fit to be president because she’s a woman

 

i found her entire presentation on the subject disingenuous at best, and I found sanders to defend himself very poorly

 

i think there’s a huge gap between “society has a sexism problem and right now I don’t think a woman could win” and “I don’t think a woman is fit for president”

 

i was disappointed in warren because I believe she’s smart enough to know exactly what she did, and she did it anyway. 

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I know "Bernie Bros" exist, and I know they can be toxic, however Bernie just won CA by a good margin and I can say for sure that as a CA resident I have never personally encountered a "Bernie Bro" at least not what has been commonly accepted as one.  I've spoken with Bernie supporters and they all just seem like any other supporter outside of the general cynical view of politics and the establishment.   To be fair, I am turning 40 this year and not around college-aged folks much, which I assume is where the majority of "Bernie Bros" are. 

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