Dan T. Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 13 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Your math is a little off I believe. You didn't carry the decimal far enough. 1% of the population number you used would be 3,189,000. I used the population as of July 4th 2016 per the government census website of 323,148,587. I got 0.09534% of america. So not even 1/10th of 1 percent care enough to just sign a petition. Numbers are fun. You are absolutely right about the percentage of people who have signed. I suck at math. But your assertion about people who "care enough to sign," though, makes the illogical assumption that the entire population knows about the petition and chooses not to sign. By just about any measure, 300,000 people signing a petition is significant, and shines a light on the lie that people don't care. BTW: 308,706 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 hour ago, BornaSkinsFan83 said: Some folks are trying to put together a march fot it. We'll see what happens https://www.trumptaxmarch2017.com/current-marches/ That's a good idea. Even to bring people out again. I can promise this...if there is a march on Tax Day. He won't be in Washington for it. He'll be elsewhere and claim he didn't see it, but heard it was very small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, Dan T. said: You are absolutely right about the percentage of people who have signed. I suck at math. What your assertion about people who "care enough to sign," though, makes the illogical assumption that the entire population knows about the petition and chooses not to sign. By just about any measure, 300,000 people signing a petition is significant, and shines a light on the lie that people don't care. I teach math so I may have had an unfair advantage. As for what the numbers mean, I disagree. Sure not every person knows about it. But let's just say that every person that voted for Hillary knows. I don't think that is an unfair assumption when you consider there are also many who didn't but know. What percentage then have signed. I'm just saying if it is so important I'd expect it to be in the millions. It's not like it is difficult to sign the petition. Look how many people signed the petition for us to build a death star. Is it possible not as many people really care as some may think? 300k is really a small number in the grand scheme of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 22 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Your math is a little off I believe (and that is me politely saying you're wrong). You didn't carry the decimal far enough. 1% of the population number you used would be 3,189,000. I used the population as of July 4th 2016 per the government census website of 323,148,587. I got 0.09534% of america. So not even 1/10th of 1 percent care enough to just sign a petition. Numbers are fun. Would you be comfortable saying that considering the number of marchers on Saturday, only 1% or so of the population cares about women's issues/rights, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 His taxes are the least of my concern. Although it would have been nice to have even more documentation of what a con-artist he is and will always be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 18 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: I teach math so I may have had an unfair advantage. As for what the numbers mean, I disagree. Sure not every person knows about it. But let's just say that every person that voted for Hillary knows. I don't think that is an unfair assumption when you consider there are also many who didn't but know. What percentage then have signed. I'm just saying if it is so important I'd expect it to be in the millions. It's not like it is difficult to sign the petition. Look how many people signed the petition for us to build a death star. Is it possible not as many people really care as some may think? 300k is really a small number in the grand scheme of things. January 16, 2017. Seventy-four percent of Americans say he should release his tax records, according to the poll, and further, among Republicans, 49 percent also say the president-elect should release he tax records. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-most-americans-still-think-trump-should-release-his-tax-returns/ What's 74 percent of 323,148,587? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 I will defend @Popeman38 in that just because Donald Trump has more money than Bernie Sanders doesn't mean that one should be more transparent than the other. It's not a false equivalency to hold politicians to the same standards regardless of background. I do get that Trumps is more consequential, but no one should get a pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 hour ago, skinny21 said: Would you be comfortable saying that considering the number of marchers on Saturday, only 1% or so of the population cares about women's issues/rights, etc? I would say at least 1%. I will also point out that going to March takes substantially more effort. I would have gone but I had to work. I know others that didn't because they were concerned about security. And then some just didn't think it is really that big of an issue. To sign the petition takes a lot less effort. 1 hour ago, Dan T. said: January 16, 2017. Seventy-four percent of Americans say he should release his tax records, according to the poll, and further, among Republicans, 49 percent also say the president-elect should release he tax records. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-most-americans-still-think-trump-should-release-his-tax-returns/ What's 74 percent of 323,148,587? Well that is a poll so 74% of the country didn't say that. The polling people believe 74% of the people feel that way. And ask Hillary how reliable polls are. Again, if these people cared that much, maybe they would do something as simple as signing a petition from the comfort of their own home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikered30 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Come on Wikileaks, do your thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, mikered30 said: Come on Wikileaks, do your thing. Color me skeptical that Assange will ever authorize the release of information that exposes the Trump administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 1 hour ago, TheGreatBuzz said: I would say at least 1%. I will also point out that going to March takes substantially more effort. I would have gone but I had to work. I know others that didn't because they were concerned about security. And then some just didn't think it is really that big of an issue. To sign the petition takes a lot less effort. Well that is a poll so 74% of the country didn't say that. The polling people believe 74% of the people feel that way. And ask Hillary how reliable polls are. Again, if these people cared that much, maybe they would do something as simple as signing a petition from the comfort of their own home. So you don't think internet security searches come into anyone's mind before signing said "petition from the comfort of their own home"? Are you really serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 1 hour ago, mikered30 said: Come on Wikileaks, do your thing. Wikileaks is in bed with Russia and Russia has always wanted Trump to win this election Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, skinfan2k said: Wikileaks is in bed with Russia and Russia has always wanted Trump to win this election It'll be up to we the people to get this together. And we can. Yes, we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 2 hours ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Well that is a poll so 74% of the country didn't say that. The polling people believe 74% of the people feel that way. Have you ever taken a statistics course? Do you understand what sampling is and how it functions? Quote And ask Hillary how reliable polls are. This is perhaps my least favorite slogan to come out of the election cycle. A delightfully compact opt-out in the face of reason, logic and statistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 2 hours ago, skinsmarydu said: So you don't think internet security searches come into anyone's mind before signing said "petition from the comfort of their own home"? Are you really serious? Sure. But I would imagine that those in the tin foil hats are a small size of population. If, supposably, 74% of the nation wants to see his taxes but only ~.09% of the population have signed the petition, that is a whole lot of people with this concern and no I don't think that is the case. I think the majority of people don't care or care but not enough to do anything which is pretty much the same as not caring. 2 hours ago, Bacon said: Have you ever taken a statistics course? Do you understand what sampling is and how it functions? This is perhaps my least favorite slogan to come out of the election cycle. A delightfully compact opt-out in the face of reason, logic and statistics. Yes. Several in fact. I also haven't studied the poll he referred to but I am always skeptical of polls. One, Hillary is a good example of their flaws whether you like it or not. Two, the news and politicians have shown I can either find a poll to say whatever I want or take an existing poll and manipulate the results to say what I want. edit: want to review the poll that says we should bomb Agrabah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USS Redskins Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Don't care at all, like I didn't care for obamas or bushes or Clintons. There is no law or rule. what would it prove now anyway? Left is going to lose their collective mind over every little thing he does anyway and trump will just say **** you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 15 hours ago, Dan T. said: By just about any measure, 300,000 people signing a petition is significant, and shines a light on the lie that people don't care. BTW: 308,706 Well they certainly want to free the world's saddest polar bear, https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=300000+sign+petition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Simple answer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 10 hours ago, TheGreatBuzz said: If, supposably, 74% of the nation wants to see his taxes but only ~.09% of the population have signed the petition, that is a whole lot of people with this concern and no I don't think that is the case. I think the majority of people don't care or care but not enough to do anything which is pretty much the same as not caring. Your whole argument regarding the petition is based on the idiotic assumption that the entire population - every man, woman and child in America - is fully aware of the We The People Web site, has logged on or otherwise considered the question, and has made a decision whether or not to sign. Do you really believe that? As for your other argument... Grrr. Polls. Me no like polls when they say bad news. Grrr. As it stands, all evidence points to a large segment of the population agreeing that Trump should release his taxes. The level and quality of your arguments against the evidence would make Kelly Ann Conway proud. The rules of the Web the People web site state that any petition receiving the threshold number of votes merits a response from the White House. This particular petition has receive three times the required signatures in less than a week. It's just one effort to hold Trump accountable for a promise made many times. I will be curious to see how this White House responds. Act? Explain why not? Ignore? Drop the web site? 332,386 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Dan T. said: I will be curious to see how this White House responds. Act? Explain why not? Ignore? Drop the web site? "I'll pick Door No.2 Monty!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 hell i even signed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportjunkie07 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 As someone who was more pro trump than pro hillary, I really think Trump should release his tax info. I'm sure it'll be damaging because we'll either see: 1.) Massive tax code manipulation 2.) Trump isn't as rich as he pretends to be 3.) Well see everywhere he has his hand in However, he said he would and now he's lying about it because it doesn't benefit him. Any justification doesn't matter. That's a dangerous and not all too unexpected precedent at least from my point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 FDR ran for 4 Presidential elections and never released his returns while in office. http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/web/presidentialtaxreturns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Well, FDR brought back this country from the brink of total disaster so I think he deserves a break on the tax return information, plus he knew and performed service to the country (no excuse for internment of Japanese American citizens). That's a far cry from what Trump's doing, turning US policies into his personal cash register. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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