Moving Towards our Future Front Office and Coaching Hires. All the Way to the Water Boy - Adam Peters Hired as GM! The Mighty Quinn is HC Kliff Kingsbury as OC. Joe Whitt jr at DC.

[Chris 44]

4 minutes ago, mh86 said:

“so you’re telling me there’s a chance” - Ron Rivera, somewhere 2024

Mail me my ring!

[Going Commando]

34 minutes ago, clskinsfan said:

One went back to being a DC and built one of the best defenses in the league for multiple seasons. The other went from a losing season as head Coach in Carolina to the Head Coach here the next year. They arent similar at all. 

 

Not to mention their personalities and coaching styles are completely different.  Quinn is a dynamo with infectious passion for the game, and an innovative schemer with a special expertise at getting through to players with difficult personalities.  Rivera is an old school stoic who can't go outside of his trusted circle, and is uniquely terrible at working with any players who aren't complete church boys or have a military background.

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

40 minutes ago, CapsSkins said:

 

The source from Detroit about Ben Johnson and the "standing offer" was not some random podcaster... it was a Detroit sports journalist who appears on radio there & is head of the Detroit NFL Wire publication. He said that on a different podcast.

 

That’s such a story, that when the only guy reporting it is a local - it feels fabricated to sway public perception.  I won’t believe that until it’s confirmed and with more color from a more reputable source.

[kingdaddy]

4 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

It’s a QB driven league. The biggest indicator of Quinn will be successful or not will be who we select with the second overall pick. Quinn’s fate as a head coach is tied to that decision. Nothing else matters if that selection is a bust. It’s game over for Quinn here and ever being a HC again.
 

There is probably a 10% chance we hit on that pick. If we do, then the view of Quinn will be changed forever because he is smart enough to surround that pick with coaches who will develop him. 

DYK....it took Reid 6 seasons to win the SB in KC.....His 21st season as a head coach!!!!!

We need to give Quinn 21 seasons to prove himself. 

[spjunkies]

Hopefully DQ will find an awesome BFF offensive coordinator who never wants to leave his side.

[The Consigliere]

5 hours ago, FrFan said:

Conclusion

In this article, we aimed to assess the accuracy of Bryant’s claim that “defense wins championships” in the league today.

 

We did not find that defensive ranking was a better indicator of a playoff berth than offensive ranking, and in fact, we found that a higher fraction of the league's top 5 offenses has made the playoffs over the past 20 years than the league's top 5 defenses. Based on our data, we are unable to conclude that defense is significantly more valuable than offense when it comes to winning championships. We were unable to find a significant difference in the offensive and defensive ranking of Super Bowl champions through the past 20 seasons. Throughout the Patriots’ reign, we did not find that they had a significantly better offense or defense in the years of their 6 Super Bowl victories.

 

Overall, we did not find convincing evidence that “defense wins championships” rings true in the NFL over the past 20 seasons. It is plausible that the NFL’s offensive explosion can be attributed to recent rule changes and improved offensive schemes. With stars like Tom Brady and Drew Brees obliterating passing records set mere seasons prior by Peyton Manning, and young wizards like Patrick Mahomes knocking at the door, this offensive explosion doesn’t appear to be losing traction.

I've been manning the barricades on this issue since the first message boards lol. There's was never much of any evidence that that tired bromide was ever true. I would argue back in the day, that it was "balance" that actually won championships with few exceptions (but of course there are some). Even the most famous of the defense first teams of a variety of eras featured either legit offenses, or their best offenses the years they actually won. In '85 the Bears won because of their defense, and the health of their offensive weapons (which was a rarity), in '00 the Ravens were a rare exception, but even the Bucs, who were great for about 4 years, only won it when they had just acquired Brad Johnson, the Ravens in '12 when they finally got a heroball season from Flacco. The great teams from the seventies on defense, the Steelers and Raiders, had HOF offensive players, same with the Cowboys, and playmakers at that, you can go through any era, and it's balance, pretty much always. Indeed I would argue that its only in recent years that this has periodically not been true because of the changes which made it so much more difficult for defenses to be effective or truly great in general. 

 

 

[rockluc]

1 minute ago, spjunkies said:

Hopefully DQ will find an awesome BFF offensive coordinator who never wants to leave his side.

Make it happen fellas 

[foreverskins]

1 hour ago, Andre The Giant said:

 

Sounds like the coach we just fired. 

What a disaster. So which coaches and QB's will be available when this team is back to this point in 3 years?

[RVAskins]

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

That's something we've been lacking here for a long time. Play as a team and give big effort. I'm looking at you Chase Young...even all the way in SF.

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

Chip Kelly knows offense.  Chip Kelly is also likely to never be looked at for an NFL head coaching job ever again.

 

 

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Maybe with the new ownership, we can bring Kyle back as OC.

[Dark Acre]

The 1991 Redskins were about as balanced as a team could get - 1st in PF, 2nd in PA, 4th in yards for (I'd wager because we got a lot of turnovers giving us short fields), 3rd in yards against, 3rd in turnovers for and against, and we thoroughly beat a Buffalo team with HOFers or HOFer candidates on both sides of the ball.

[DiscoBob]

17 minutes ago, Chris 44 said:

Mail me my ring!

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

2 hours ago, El Mexican said:

Yeah Imma cut off my ties to the season right now.

 

I have ZERO interest (not even a morbid one) in watching a team coached by someone called "Dan Quinn" that worked for Dallas.

 

 

2 hours ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

It could also be that Cowboy Troy was just being nice or something, too.  

Norv introduced Troy at his HOF induction ceremony.  Troy's not blowing smoke.  Norv was one of the best OCs for 20 years.  

 

1 hour ago, Conn said:

Keim bonked us over the head with Quinn for weeks, people just didn’t want to believe it.

 

1 hour ago, Conn said:

Are you the most gullible person on planet earth? 

There was once another.  Cooleyfan-whatever he was would have bought ocean view property in Idaho if you offered it to him.  

 

59 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said:

 

Lessons to be learned by this:

Always believe Schefter
Always believe Keim

 

 

There is a difference.  Schefter will get out the story the teams, league or agents want out.  You always have to consider the source with Schefter.  He's basically a paid league mouthpiece.  

 

Keim is different.  He hears things from a variety of sources and cross references stuff.  

 

48 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

Considering its Peters job, I don't really care what Quinn thinks in terms of roster construction. 

The post you were replying to said "staff construction" not roster construction, and Quinn should have 100% control over his staff.  

[Destino]

2 minutes ago, Lombardi's_kid_brother said:

Maybe with the new ownership, we can bring Kyle back as OC.

After the ol “unfinished business” sales pitch fails there, we can swing by a dive bar and pick up Jay Gruden, 
 

[purbeast]

The reaction to this is unreal.  The comparison is Rivera is as flawed as it comes.  We have actual adults and grown men making these decisions now, not Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen.

 

Jesus christ you'd think that we had a chance to get Patrick Mahomes and he slipped right out of our hands based on the way people are reacting to this.  

 

People already acting all doom and gloom and we haven't even gotten to the off season yet with our new owner and GM.

 

Unreal.

[SoCalSkins]

1 minute ago, kingdaddy said:

DYK....it took Reid 6 seasons to win the SB in KC.....His 21st season as a head coach!!!!!

We need to give Quinn 21 seasons to prove himself. 

We will know by the end of this year. If Maye or Daniels have a CJ Stroud year or if they have a Bruce Young year. You pretty much know if you have a star or not early unless he tears an Zack in the playoffs. Then you don’t. 
 

If we do have a franchise QB then Quinn will be successful. If we don’t, he won’t. Simple as that. 

[NickyJ]

1 hour ago, Riggo#44 said:

 

Lessons to be learned by this:

Always believe Schefter
Always believe Keim

 

 

Keim delivers.

Adam Schefter got beat down BAD when he was reporting on Adrian Peterson's visits to the Redskins after Guice got injured. Granted, it was over 5 years ago, but savor the special moments.

 

 

Edited February 1 by NickyJ

[RVAskins]

52 minutes ago, Bacon said:

 

He did a great job in Dallas, championship game aside, but I'm not sure what that has to do with him as a head coach. Not everyone is at their best in that role. 

You could say the same thing about Johnson and Macdonald. Neither has been a head coach. How do you know they would be best in that role? I like the fact that Quinn spent time as a DC after being a head coach. That gives him time to reflect on where he can improve. Rivera came here straight from Carolina and it was more of the same, which was not very good.

[DiscoBob]

10 minutes ago, Destino said:

After the ol “unfinished business” sales pitch fails there, we can swing by a dive bar and pick up Jay Gruden, 
 

 

Roll it back baby.... Vinny Cerrato, Brandon Lloyd, Adam Archuleta, and TJ Duckett all need a ring baby!

 

 

 

Oh.... Albert Haynesworthless too

 

 

 

Edited February 1 by DiscoBob

[Stoox]

19 hours ago, mhd24 said:

 

Caroll was coming off the revival of USC.  Belichek was coming off being the DC on the Pats AND the Jets (where he was widely successful).  Reid was coming off of 4 NFC title game appearances and a super bowl appearance.  Quinn hasn't snuffed that type of success.  

 

John Schneider knew Quinn and passed on him.  He's the ultimate retread.  I'd rather go with a complete unproven coach vs Quinn.  The fact that he had a near 500 record with a prime Matt Ryan shows that he's not an elite coach.  He couldn't recognize coaching talent as he passed on promoting LaFleur to OC after Kyle left.  His speciality is defense and that Atlanta defense was ATROCIOUS by the time he was fired.  

 

Quinn resurrected the worst defence in the league in 2020, to make it one of the best. The fact that he hired Shanahan, Lafleur, Morris, McDaniel, Sarkisian, Koetter and others in the first place means he CAN recognize coaching talent. The fact that he took Ryan and his team to the SB means he has proven he CAN get there (unlike some others).
 

John Schneider hired McDonald because they are trying to get away from Pete Carroll's influence. Hiring Quinn (who is close with Carroll) would have effectively meant more of the same influences, since both would be in the same building (how many meetings would Pete be in?). Schneider wanted a complete break because he wants HIS influence to prevail, given his newly-acquired control in the org. It's a lot easier to exercise influence with a young first-time coach who owes you his job. Instead of someone who hired you.

 

The bottom line: coaches who have coached with Quinn and players who have played for Quinn all rave about his work and leadership. Respect from peers is a huge indicator of someone's quality. 

[formerly4skins]

14 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Chip Kelly knows offense.  Chip Kelly is also likely to never be looked at for an NFL head coaching job ever again.

 

 

Has Chip Kelly ever developed a young QB that's become noteworthy in any way?

[RWJ]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

Keim just now on 980.

 

A.  Neither Johnson or MacDonald were offered the job-contract

 

B.  Some in that building liked Johnson as the guy but he wasn't the slam dunk choice

 

C.  Quinn was a hot candidate, someone they liked from the jump (Keim has been consistent on that)

 

D. They liked some of these other candidates too, so it wasn't Johnson or Quinn or whomever or bust

 

E.  the slow moving aspect of this was about them genuinely wanted to interview ALL of these guys and most of them had deep playoff runs.

 

F.  They liked MacDonald but isn't sure that they liked him the best.  Part of the problem with that situation is Seattle and MacDonald were both infatuated with each other

Edited February 1 by Skinsinparadise

[profusion]

26 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

Indeed I would argue that its only in recent years that this has periodically not been true because of the changes which made it so much more difficult for defenses to be effective or truly great in general. 

 

Your point is still true. One of the teams in the SB is a defensive juggernaut and the other got there because the defense radically improved and carried them much of the season while their offense struggled. Both can and do play nasty slugfests when needed.

 

People have been predicting that the era of "video game football" featuring 45-40 shootouts was finally upon us, and every year the playoffs come down to defense and the ability to run the ball. Sure, offenses are more high-powered in the playoffs now compared to 50 years ago, but defense and power football in the playoffs still set the best teams apart.

Edited February 1 by profusion