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[Voice_of_Reason]

3 minutes ago, Conn said:

I agree. 

Great.  We can both be wrong together!

[FootballZombie]

7 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

My bold prediction (sure to go wrong) is Robinson ends up with more carries than Gibson this year.  

 

They have similar touches, but Gibby is used a lor more in the passing game.  

 

Non-Spicy prediction

 

 

I'd expect a scenario where Rob gets more rushes, but Gibby gets more touches.

Something like Rob getting 10(rushes) and 2(recs) while Gibby gets 8 and 8

Edited May 6, 2022 by FootballZombie

[Stadium-Armory]

As the NFL pendulum swings, defenses have gotten faster/smaller. Maybe there's an edge to be found by using a large bruiser back.

Edited May 6, 2022 by Stadium-Armory

[TheShredder]

1 minute ago, Stadium-Armory said:

As the pendulum swings, defenses have gotten faster/faster. Maybe there's an edge to be found by using a large bruiser back.

Who's the large back?

Both are 6'2"

Gibson is 220 lbs and Robinson is 225 lbs

So, the 5 lb difference qualifies him as a bruiser? That's nonsense. They just have different rushing styles and Robinson runs too straight up and Gibson is more agile. Expect to see Robinson on short yardage and at the end of games to run off the clock and not fumble.

[Stadium-Armory]

Just now, TheShredder said:

Who's the large back?

Both are 6'2"

Gibson is 220 lbs and Robinson is 225 lbs

So, the 5 lb difference qualifies him as a bruiser? That's nonsense. They just have different rushing styles and Robinson runs too straight up and Gibson is more agile. Expect to see Robinson on short yardage and at the end of games to run off the clock and not fumble.

I think Gibson will be smaller. And Robinson at 225 is 15 lbs over the league average. Maybe he's not Ironhead Heyward but he's big, no?

[Conn]

1 hour ago, TheShredder said:

Who's the large back?

Both are 6'2"

Gibson is 220 lbs and Robinson is 225 lbs

So, the 5 lb difference qualifies him as a bruiser? That's nonsense. They just have different rushing styles and Robinson runs too straight up and Gibson is more agile. Expect to see Robinson on short yardage and at the end of games to run off the clock and not fumble.

Even setting aside that Gibson is 210 now, this is silly. Robinson is a battering ram, and chooses to be. He profiles as a punishing runner whether you think he’s too upright to pull it off in the NFL or not. It remains to be seen if he’ll translate or not, sure. But Gibson just isn’t a natural RB and belongs in more of a slasher COP role, could excel there. He doesn’t effectively run like a “big back” and he SHOULD run more like a “small back” (but doesn’t really). You rarely see the speed he is supposed to have and you rarely see the power you can tell he thinks he runs with. It’s just not natural.
 

Comparing their combine measurements is not an effective means of describing their running styles, watch them play. Robinson is absolutely a “big back” and despite his past measurables Gibson really hasn’t been. He’s a small back in a big back’s body but doesn’t really have the agility or moves at the second level of a small guy or the tackle-breaking or intimidating presence of a big guy. That can work just fine (Arian Foster was a good example of an effective slasher like this who was feature back sized but more of a finesse runner who just made it work) if the guy is instinctive and has good vision. Those attributes also do not apply to Gibson. 

Edited May 6, 2022 by Conn

[dyst]

@Conn that is exactly right. 

[Skinsinparadise]

I was one of the biggest fans of Gibson before that draft, so was @KDawg.   Both of us also big fans of Robinson -- so its not about bias about one versus the other.  I think this will be a great combination.  I'd put money that people here are going to dig Robinson.  There was some opposition at the time by some to the Gibson pick too.

 

 I talked about this in the draft thread.  Yeah Gibson is a big guy too but he's more of an outside zone runner versus an in between tacklers-gap power back/inside zone back like Robinson.   Though Robinson IMO can do both well -- outside and inside.   It's not all about size but about style.  And a 6 '1, 225 RB is plenty big enough to be categorized as a big back.  He's the biggest back weight wise among the draftable RBs in this class.  

 

Robinson was rated high by PFF both as a gap and zone runner.  A good chunk of Robinson's runs were right up the A gap.  so he's a change of pace stylsitically from Gibson.

 

He broke more tackles than any runners in this class aside from Kenneth Walker.   But, he's more than just a brusing short yardage guy.  He has among the most big runs in this class - 22 runs of 15 plus yards.  300 yards receiving.

 

Also with the reputation of being a leader.

 

Just listened to his Alabama coach on 106.7, he said he has really good vision -- he believes that he has better vision than N. Harris who he also coached and raved about in that interview.   He thought Harris' violence and physicality was a notch above Robinson but he liked Robinson's instincts and vision as a runner better.   Stylsitically he reminds him of Leonard Fournette. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/college-football/alabamas-brian-robinson-waited-his-turn-to-become-star

"It’s pretty common for a high school freshman male to be, in general, pretty silly and mess around," Adams said. "But Brian was never really that way. He always had good leadership skills, and the guys on the team tended to gravitate toward him. He had that air about him that if he thought somebody was doing something they shouldn’t do, it didn't take a lot of volume in his voice to get everybody to snap back in line."

Robinson has always been this way, his mother says. He’s a natural leader. As the youngest of three kids, Robinson acts like the oldest — even if his two sisters don’t listen to him. "He tries to school his sisters and tell them what to do," Little said, laughing. "He thinks he knows more." 

 

Edited May 6, 2022 by Skinsinparadise

[KDawg]

15 hours ago, TheShredder said:

Who's the large back?

Both are 6'2"

Gibson is 220 lbs and Robinson is 225 lbs

So, the 5 lb difference qualifies him as a bruiser? That's nonsense. They just have different rushing styles and Robinson runs too straight up and Gibson is more agile. Expect to see Robinson on short yardage and at the end of games to run off the clock and not fumble.

Gibson was a receiver in college. There is quite a difference in taking receiver hits and taking RB hits for an entirety of a game.

 

One of them is conditioned to take that punishment… and give it. Another is capable of taking the punishment and being effective but his body isn’t conditioned for it. 
 

I don’t understand the insistence that running one of our best weapons into a wall at 100 mph over and over again was an adequate use for him. 
 

Robinson is a lot more agile than you think, for what it’s worth. 

[SpacePenguin]

5 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Gibson was a receiver in college. There is quite a difference in taking receiver hits and taking RB hits for an entirety of a game.

 

One of them is conditioned to take that punishment… and give it. Another is capable of taking the punishment and being effective but his body isn’t conditioned for it. 
 

I don’t understand the insistence that running one of our best weapons into a wall at 100 mph over and over again was an adequate use for him. 
 

Robinson is a lot more agile than you think, for what it’s worth. 

 

I don't know how anyone can watch the games each year and not see how worn down he gets over the course of a season. I feel bad for the guy, thank god they drafted someone to lighten the load on him.

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

[TheShredder]

17 hours ago, Conn said:

Even setting aside that Gibson is 210 now

If Gibson is down to 210 then 15 lbs is a big difference. I train Pro Athletes for muscle mass and body composition and though 5 lbs of lean muscle is quiet a bit more, the chance lean mass is reflected in difference of body weight is likely 25-30% muscle.

 

3 hours ago, KDawg said:

Gibson was a receiver in college. There is quite a difference in taking receiver hits and taking RB hits for an entirety of a game.

 

One of them is conditioned to take that punishment… and give it. Another is capable of taking the punishment and being effective but his body isn’t conditioned for it. 
 

I don’t understand the insistence that running one of our best weapons into a wall at 100 mph over and over again was an adequate use for him. 
 

Robinson is a lot more agile than you think, for what it’s worth

Gibson was a hybrid in college, that's why they drafted him. He has spent the last two years training and playing as a NFL Pro RB#1. The argument about 'conditioning' doesn't work.

Robinson, as much as you might want him to be agile, just isn't. He runs to high and that's a short yardage RB. Everyone likes him aggressively delivering blows while picking up some yards, short yardage 1st downs and goal line TDs. However, he's never rushing for 1,000 yards as he's simply not that guy.

AG's job is safe! He's just going to be utilized better for what he does well and JD & Robinson can do what he doesn't.

 

[KDawg]

11 minutes ago, TheShredder said:

If Gibson is down to 210 then 15 lbs is a big difference. I train Pro Athletes for muscle mass and body composition and though 5 lbs of lean muscle is quiet a bit more, the chance lean mass is reflected in difference of body weight is likely 25-30% muscle.

 

Gibson was a hybrid in college, that's why they drafted him. He has spent the last two years training and playing as a NFL Pro RB#1. The argument about 'conditioning' doesn't work.

Robinson, as much as you might want him to be agile, just isn't. He runs to high and that's a short yardage RB. Everyone likes him aggressively delivering blows while picking up some yards, short yardage 1st downs and goal line TDs. However, he's never rushing for 1,000 yards as he's simply not that guy.

AG's job is safe! He's just going to be utilized better for what he does well and JD & Robinson can do what he doesn't.

 

This is called making up your own details and presenting them as fact.

 

33 carries over 2 seasons makes him a hybrid? No. But he did definitely get carries.
 

And conditioning doesn’t mean physically in shape.

 

But it sounds like you’re just worried that Gibson won’t get as many touches and you’re lashing out. But he’s going to be highly utilized. It’ll all work out.

 

 

Edited May 6, 2022 by KDawg

[Riggo'sRangers]

1 hour ago, TheShredder said:

If Gibson is down to 210 then 15 lbs is a big difference. I train Pro Athletes for muscle mass and body composition and though 5 lbs of lean muscle is quiet a bit more, the chance lean mass is reflected in difference of body weight is likely 25-30% muscle.

 

Gibson was a hybrid in college, that's why they drafted him. He has spent the last two years training and playing as a NFL Pro RB#1. The argument about 'conditioning' doesn't work.

Robinson, as much as you might want him to be agile, just isn't. He runs to high and that's a short yardage RB. Everyone likes him aggressively delivering blows while picking up some yards, short yardage 1st downs and goal line TDs. However, he's never rushing for 1,000 yards as he's simply not that guy.

AG's job is safe! He's just going to be utilized better for what he does well and JD & Robinson can do what he doesn't.

 

Imho Robinson, in all the film I’ve watched, is more RB agile than Gibson. He is a pure RB, not converted, and there is a huge difference. This sets the plate nicely for us and we can use Gibson as a weapon instead of forcing a RB fit. He can have more dynamic plays, and remember, he was a receiver first.  Excited to see how it evolves. With the addition of Wentz, drafting Dotson, Robinson, Cole Turner (yes, I feel he is a difference maker), a healthy Curtis Samuel…well, it could be quite spicy.  I like it, very much. Hail 

Edited May 7, 2022 by Riggo'sRangers

[oraphus]

Can Gibson play Buffalo Nickel? 

[Warhead36]

Its not all about height/weight. For example, Alvin Kamara is 5'10'' 215. Mark Ingram 5'9'' 215. But we all know they have drastically different(but complimentary) running/play styles.

[Voice_of_Reason]

18 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

Howell needs to get that pass down.  How is he going to take over our hearts and minds if he throws high on a 10 yards swing route?    

 

(This is sarcasm.  Please treat it as such.)

22 minutes ago, oraphus said:

Can Gibson play Buffalo Nickel? 

Edited May 7, 2022 by Voice_of_Reason

[Dark Acre]

6'1/225 coming in means that with a pro weight room, he can easily get to 230 and with pro PR he can get to 6'2.  All he needs to do is grow an afro or a mohawk and we've got the next John Riggins.

 

The Robo drill.  You read it here first.

[Fresh8686]

Man I love how decisive Robinson is with his cuts and the way he uses that decisiveness in so many different parts of his game. He doesn’t just use it to set up and hit the hole or to create cut back lanes, he also uses it to punish people.
 

Rather than take a hit from a LB, sometimes he’ll make a cut to get them to stutter and readjust and he’ll use that moment as an opening to punish them with a hit and carry them 2-3 yards further. It’s cool as hell to see him diffuse their forward motion and open up their body and then batter them down. 

[Skinsinparadise]

Catching up with some local podcasts, I'd say of all the players they drafted, Brian Robinson seems mischaracterrized the most.  The Peyton Barber -- short yardage specialist label on him is annoying.  You figure enough people watched Alabama, they are on TV all the time, that I'd figure Robinson wouldn't be such a mystery to some.  

[bowhunter]

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Catching up with some local podcasts, I'd say of all the players they drafted, Brian Robinson seems mischaracterrized the most.  The Peyton Barber -- short yardage specialist label on him is annoying.  You figure enough people watched Alabama, they are on TV all the time, that I'd figure Robinson wouldn't be such a mystery to some.  

Or that Snyders weight/conditioning facilities are more likely to get him into football shape than Alabamas.

[RWJ]

The beauty of Brian Robinson is that he has A LOT of tread left on his tires being that he was the feature back just one year in Bama.  

[Voice_of_Reason]

2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Catching up with some local podcasts, I'd say of all the players they drafted, Brian Robinson seems mischaracterrized the most.  The Peyton Barber -- short yardage specialist label on him is annoying.  You figure enough people watched Alabama, they are on TV all the time, that I'd figure Robinson wouldn't be such a mystery to some.  

Also Barber is a FA so if they just wanted that role back they could have re-signed him at any time.  

[IrepDC]

On 5/3/2022 at 3:58 PM, mistertim said:

 

So you're basically pointing to the exceptions and claiming they're equal to the mean.

 

The Titans are one of the few teams in the NFL who can win mostly with rushing, because they have an unstoppable All Pro RB in Henry. That's sort of like pointing to Calvin Johnson and saying "let's just have a passing offense like that". Sure, that's easy to say when you have an unstoppable 6'5 230lb WR who runs a 4.3 40 and can literally beat triple coverage every time so you can just chuck the ball up to him.

 

Also, the Titans didn't beat the Chiefs because they ran the ball. Combined they barely ran for 100 yards, with Henry running for 86. They beat the Chiefs because the Chiefs and Mahomes played like absolute garbage that game.

 

It's a passing league now. Pretty much every single NFL coach, GM, and FO admit it, even the older school ones. 

 

So sure, once we find a Derrick Henry, we can try to emulate the Titans. Let us know when that happens. Otherwise we need to keep looking for our QB.

You completely ignored San Fran example? You're trying too hard to force the exception to the rule narrative, but really, more teams are attempting the pass happy build. That doesn't make it better. The playoffs are still dominated by defense and ball control teams. Rodgers has been eliminated by that style so much that they prioritize defense over WRs in this year's draft. That's for winning playoff games.

[Mrshadow008]

25 minutes ago, IrepDC said:

You completely ignored San Fran example? You're trying too hard to force the exception to the rule narrative, but really, more teams are attempting the pass happy build. That doesn't make it better. The playoffs are still dominated by defense and ball control teams. Rodgers has been eliminated by that style so much that they prioritize defense over WRs in this year's draft. That's for winning playoff games.

Its not so much that they prioritized defense. Rodgers on the Pat Mcafee show said they had every intention of taking a WR in the first. They had 1st round grades on 6 WRs. Once those 6 wrs were gone then the focus shifted to the defense and then they traded up for Watson in the 2nd