Stone Cold Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Die Hard said: For sure. Just not with the Commanders. He had 7 sacks his rookie year. He had 1 last year. He’s not going to produce this year (more than likely). Doesn’t the team have to decide this off-season if they’re going to pick up his 5th year option? Based on what? 10 or so sacks in 3 years?!? He has to explode next year, his 4th season… to get an extension from this team. Otherwise, are you really going to commit $20M/year to him???? What’s he even worth right now? Hopefully he’s hitting his stride come Paloffs and we really have what we thought. Then hopefully, he’ll ride the momentum of pt in 22 to a play and get paid season. I’m m excited about the prospects of that. We have to learn to trust in the development of our picks …we’ve been known to treat ours like pop tarts. The grass isn’t always greener and we have to start developing a rep for paying our guys… that’s winning culture Edited November 23, 2022 by Stone Cold 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinss Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Jabbyrwock said: You just gotta know Ridgeway has a superman T on under that jersey. Get 'em Sloth. And ironically he was a redskin too. Edited November 23, 2022 by redskinss 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Zim489 said: Signing all 4 would be serious strain on the ability to build the rest of the Defense. A defense in this day and age should never go above 50% of the cap space. It appears you’re operating with arbitrary numbers and constraints. This is a unique situation requiring creative thinking. Throw the 50% number out and explore the situation at hand and best address it. What if it’s you exceed that 50% number for 3 seasons, then it drops below 50% again. The cap percentage flowing with the talent in the Dline makes sense. 3 hours ago, Zim489 said: Still think its an utter mistake to sign Payne long term. Sweat plays a more vital position and is honestly better at his job than Payne is at his. Then you hope Chase gets back to form. This seems like you’re holding tightly to a previous conclusion relating to Payne. There’s no way anyone can say getting rid of Payne from we’ve witnessed from the dude in his age 25 season is the right thing to do. The Dline is the main cog why Washington is pointing in direction to join the top 3rd of the league. 3 hours ago, Zim489 said: The "but the cap is going up" will be included with contract negotiations. You wont be able to fit any more players under the cap. The %s will be the same with inflated numbers. Its a non factor. The idea would be you’re negotiating against present day deals and locking in a guy for a number of years while guys in future top that deal. For example, If Payne secures a $20mil per season deal, then others in following seasons will use his contract as the bottom in negotiations looking to top it. 1 hour ago, Ball Security said: Buffalo, Philly, Miami, SF, and Cincy all spend more on defense than offense. All have cheap QBs. I like this model if you don’t have the elite QB. Obviously Hurts and Allen are finishing up their rookie deals and that will change things down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tress Is The Way Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 hour ago, NoVaSkins21 said: Allen and Payne were drafted a year apart. It would make sense to keep them together for the sake of chemistry and continuity They also played at Bama together so they've been with each other for a good long time now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShredder Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Transition Tag Payne for 1-year and groom the replacement. Cut Wentz and sign TH for a ham sandwhich and a case of Busch. Net Positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball Security Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 39 minutes ago, TheShredder said: Transition Tag Payne for 1-year and groom the replacement. Cut Wentz and sign TH for a ham sandwhich and a case of Busch. Net Positive. Sell me on the transition tag versus the nonexclusive franchise tag. From what I can tell, the difference is only 2.5M but there is no compensation if another team signs him. I do understand the escalation of a second tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 7 hours ago, Die Hard said: Just based on what I heard… his first step was supposed to be transcendent. And coming from Ohio state, he was tabbed as better than the Bosas (ie. from a technical aspect). And I have only seen an incredible first step once…. last preseason against the Pats. Hes a stout player…. but he’s not quick twitch at all. He doesn’t bend. And he still is under developed in moves and counter moves. I just don’t see anything special about him. We'll see where he's at now, but he was one of the most explosive ends I've ever seen. The first game I watched him, bowl game against Washington sophomore year, I thought he was a safety or an undersized linebacker at first from his movement skills. He's 6'5 265 with little man movement ability. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Going Commando said: We'll see where he's at now, but he was one of the most explosive ends I've ever seen. The first game I watched him, bowl game against Washington sophomore year, I thought he was a safety or an undersized linebacker at first from his movement skills. He's 6'5 265 with little man movement ability. Yeah I recall the day where I watched 4 games of Chase in a row from college and was smitten, after that I kept saying that's the guy we want on the draft thread. great bend and he had a special diagnal way to get to the QB with little wasted movement as Urban Meyer pointed out once in a pregame focus on him. The thing that killed me about him was how often he was disruptive, it was play after play after play. I am guessing he won't be in full form until next season. But if he finds that form, I think he still has plenty chance to be special - considering among other things reading about him he has the desire to be great and big time so. Edited November 24, 2022 by Skinsinparadise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSSkinz Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Bad time for St.-Juste to be out, hopefully he gets healthy for next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madden lot Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 35 minutes ago, JSSkinz said: Bad time for St.-Juste to be out, hopefully he gets healthy for next week. Where you get that info from?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooleyfan1993 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, madden lot said: Where you get that info from?? Uhhh, from local medias tweets lol. Google is your friend 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxSpearheadxX Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 Wildgoose time? Im not super scared of the falcons, I'm pretty sure we can scheme together a secondary as long as Kam Curl is there. Does stink to lose Juice but we will need him full strength next week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTskin Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 The mariota-London connection is non-existent. if there’s a game on the calendar which we could afford some injuries to the secondary it’s this one. that said, the falcons are definitely not the Texans and theyre right in the thick of the playoff hunt. A win here would be bigger than most would give us credit for. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan93 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 Sucks about St Juste being out but no Falcons receiver scares me other than Pitts at TE. Mariotta needs to be contained from running and we should be fine on defense. As for the argument about keeping Payne or Sweat, I think a lot has to do with how Chase looks coming back. If he regains his rookie form, then it’s easier to let Sweat go, bring in a rookie with Toohill, Smith-Williams and Obada playing a lot. I was initially against resigning Payne but a line of him, Jonathan, Mathis and Ridgeway is awfully good right up the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjinhan Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 22 minutes ago, skinsfan93 said: Sucks about St Juste being out but no Falcons receiver scares me other than Pitts at TE. Mariotta needs to be contained from running and we should be fine on defense. well good new for you then. Pitts is out for Falcons 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 D-Line is going to have to do what they do. The defense goes through them anyway right now, so they will need to force Mariotta into making some ill-advised throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball Security Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Today is a big opportunity for Davis. I’d imagine they’ll keep Curl in the box to spy the QB. Davis will need to be a thumper in the run game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 If Young can't stay healthy, trade him and give an LTS to Sweat. Don't pick potential over production... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50yrSKINSfan Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/23/2022 at 12:46 PM, Renegade7 said: QBs aren't cheap, especially if they aren't on Rookie contracts. We need to all be on same page any money we get back from cutting Wentz is already spent on his replacement, no eligible to be used elsewhere like the dline. Why do you think we will spend 28ml on Wentzs’ replacement? If TH plays great and gets us in the playoffs, just pay his salary next year along with the rookie QB you have now. Maybe we learned a valuable lesson with the Wentz signing. Look at Denver. Tons of money and draft capital for Wilson? Dought if we will get a top QB prospect in the draft so what do you do? Am I wrong in thinking we could have had Mariota for peanuts in comparison to the Wentz deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 5 hours ago, Renegade7 said: If Young can't stay healthy, trade him and give an LTS to Sweat. Don't pick potential over production... We can keep everyone, especially if/when we get a starting QB on a rookie contract. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Mr Payne gonna get the money truck. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redd Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 People dunked on Fuller but when that D line creates pressure it gives the defensive back opportunities for takeaways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 I want St. Juste and Holcomb back ASAP. Still a really gutsy effort with them sidelined. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, TradeTheBeal! said: Mr Payne gonna get the money truck. I hope at the very least we can franchise him and trade him for a 1st. I could see a team that is on the verge of contending like the Chargers giving up a 1 for him with how bad their run D is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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