50yrSKINSfan

U R right about us pos having a chance to grab a franchise QB again next year and right about Tua being a gamble but when you are a last place team what good is a elite pass rusher do if teams are running the ball down your throat. Far as anyone else, Clooney, Fowler, Smith to the Pack. All I can think of but elite pass rushers are available and elite QBs are not. I would feel better about CY ifwe did not draft a pass rusher last year and how much did that help. Pass rushers are great if you have a complete defense and you only need one or two players to make your D elite like the Pack did last year but week after week I saw our D getting pushed all over the field and I do not see CY stopping that. I would much rather have a Mahomes or Watson than a CY.

Ya sure he helped but that team is stacked for gods sake. Common man.

I for one am not sold on Haskins but I do think he is serviceable while we are in a rebuilding mode. IMO he is a work in progress but I see him more as a journeyman QB rather than a top flight QB. I see the odds of Tua being a franchise QB a lot better than Haskins. I watched every Giant game this year and their rook QB looked better than Haskins but he did have the advantage of working with the 1st team when Haskins did not. As far as the injury I think I heard this week that Tua passed on his exam and that he is expected to be back to his pre injury condition. In the past I was also under the impression that you should take a franchise QB if you have the first 2 or 3 picks in the draft and if you do not need the QB then you trade the pick to someone who needs the QB for multiple picks. A pass rusher is not even close to the value of a franchise QB. Another thing that bothers me is why if these pass rushers are so desirable then how come the 2 or 3 best vet pass rushers have been traded this past year? Did Mack put the Bears in the playoffs this year?

Hi all. One way to make the league think you may take Tua instead of CY is to offer up Haskins in a trade. In a way I am thinking that Tua will help us just as much if not more than CY. Detroit will take CY with their 3rd so the Giants will have to trade up with Detroit to get him. Putting up Haskins will make Miami think that they may not get Tua at 5 if they think we may take him. I know everyone here is sold on Haskins but Tua rates better by most observers than Haskins.

Hi. Anybody thinking about making Tua our pick at #2 now that his injury report was good? Play Smith for 1 yr then dump him and play Tua. I for one was not overly thrilled with Haskins last year. Pos get a #2 for him this year or do something else?

Ya that game or two gets you out of the top 5 draft choices. I am not saying Olson is a bum but we have seen it a hundred times before. Jason Taylor, Albert Hanesworth, D Sanders, Arch and on and on. Most of those guys just want a big check without performing for a few years before they retire and this was the place to get it. You want to change the culture then stay away from those type of players and get young hungry guys.

Thought we were in a rebuilding mode. Why do we want a guy who might win us one or two more games putting us out of top 5 draft choices like in the last 5 years. Go with the young guys. First time in years I am looking forward to the draft.

Yes but both of those teams only have one first round pick this year and if you want to improve your team now you want picks from someone trading up this year if possible. IMO if you are going to offer picks next year it will cost you more than if you had picks to offer this year. I am starting to think we will get no offers as there are 3 QBs available and only 1 team in the top 4 that needs a QB so Miami should get their QB without having to trade up unless Detroit makes a play for Tua. If Detroit wants Tua what do they do with Bradford's contract? Believe he has 3 years left. Does Miami want Tua or the other QB?

Yes, but the only team to have 2 first round picks this year is LV and they are mid round so would that entice you if they added a 1st next year? Plus is Grudn ready to give up on Carr? What will it cost them? Will anyone want to trade for Carr?

I was all for trading back if I thought we could get Miami's 3 #1s but the more I think about it is that Miami will get their QB without having to trade up. Here is why, Cindy takes Barrow. Wash, Det, NY, does not need QBs so Miami at 5 stays put and gets one of the two best ranked QBs left. Chargers next and they get the last QB. Only one other team has 2 #1s to trade and that is LV and they are mid level so as far as I can see we will not be offered a boatload for our #2 pick unless someone can come up with another scenario. Cheers.

Just thinking that there are 3 QBs available that are projected to be high 1st round picks. Cindy takes Barrow. Wash, Det, and the Giants do not need a QB so Miami will get one without having to trade up so there goes our haul. I do not believe that any of the other teams that crave a QB have enough draft capital to move into one of draft spots #2,3, or 4, ahead of Miami so I do not see any haul of picks coming our way unless we accept draft choices from next year along with someone's 1st and 2nd this year and who would do that? By the way, Kfrankie said he would take Barrow if available with our #2 and so would I. Det would take CY so the Giants would not get him anyway. I see Barrow taking our team to a contender for the division his first year. Wishful thinking. Cheers.

Yes Ditka was included in the way the game was changing around that time with more passing. The AFL had a lot to do with that as they advertised the fact that they were more exciting because of passing than the ground and pound NFL. For my money I would take Mackey over Ditka but they were close. Both in the hall but our own Jerry Smith had more TD catches than both of them yet he is not in the HOF. Biggest farce I can think of. I would take Smith over both Mackey and Ditka for receiving.

What about our own Jerry Smith who when he retired had more TDs and catches then any other TE and has better stats than Mike Ditka who is in the hall. We all know the HOF is a popularity contest. Look at the Pitt coach that just got in. ONE SUPER BOWL WIN and yes he won a lot of games but does everyone forget he LOST 4 CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES AT HOME WHEN HE WAS A DOUBLE DIGIT FAVORITE. No problem, he is on tv every week and he coached Pitt.

Sorry for the mistake here my response later. Thanks.