A New Start! (the Reboot) The Front Office, Ownership, & Coaching Staff Thread

[CobraCommander]

Just now, Califan007 The Constipated said:

 

If the NFL cared that much they would have stepped in to make sure the team wasn't hindered by trademark issues and would have helped in the reveal.

 

Here's what they do care about (or at least will pay attention to): merch sales, on-the-field results, if anything comes to light that directly ties Snyder to any illegal wrongdoing.

 

Merch sales will be a better indicator of rebrand success. On-the-field success is good for the league and is a fantastic cleanser. And any evidence of direct wrongdoing by Snyder lays a foundation for forcing him to sell the team and helps in any possible lawsuits against the league by Snyder himself. They already knew about everything in the rollout before the rollout took place.

I guess, I just think the rollout fell flat on it's face. It should've been a much bigger national story and instead it was overshadowed by renewed allegations. I'll concede that both happening back to back doesn't help at all. 

[goskins10]

Just now, CobraCommander said:

With all due respect I have zero faith the NFL cares about sexual harassments. If they did they wouldn't have let Dan get away with all this in the first place.

 

I don't think they care about the name itself, just the way in which it was revealed. And I think the NFL is finally coming to the realization that no amount of Jason Wright's and Julie Donaldson's will fix this mess and the only way to get out of it is to go forward with the sexual harassments angle. 

 

Again, I said it was the straw that broke the camels back. The idiom means there has been mounting pressure for a long time. And if the sexual harassment was the thing that actually broke the camels back, that should've happened when the scandal first started.

 

Pardon my cynicism but I don't give Goodell and the NFL the benefit of the doubt. They have turned a blind eye and swept so many issues under the rug it's ridiculous. 

 

 

I was not being snide when I said with all due respect. I meant it sincerely. Unfortunately it appears you took it the wrong way and thus responded in kind. For example, I of course understand what straw that broke the camel's back means. No need to explain it to me. Please let's stop that line. We are just talking here. 

 

In general I agree they are not that concerned with sexual harassment on an individual basis. But this is starting to impact the brand to the point they cannot ignore it. The name to me has absolutely nothing to do with it. They had a tremendous amount of input to that process. Just because it fell flat on some fans is not enough on it's own to even be "the straw". 

 

I am not giving them the benefit of the doubt. I am still fairly certain this is just blustering for them to in the end say, well our hands are tied legally so we can't do anything, moving along. So it will end up being much ado about nothing. So in that regard I agree with you that ultimately there will not be anything done at all. I just don't think the name has anything to do with it at all. In fact it's one of the few things the team has done that the NFL has supported. 

 

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

11 hours ago, Conn said:

It’s worth the risk. We’ll never get closer than we are right now and I hope pressure keeps getting applied. The Post needs to come out with something soon that pisses the NFL off even more, on the eve of the Super Bowl or directly in the aftermath. This is the only shot imo. 

Maybe.  

 

So the two situations I can think of where an owner had to sell, one was the Panthers with Richardson, but he wasn't forced out, he decided to sell instead of going through a battle, and Eddie Debartolo, who was caught paying $400,000 in a briefcase to a Louisiana elected official in exchange for being allowed to attain a riverboat casino license.  And all Debartolo did was pass the team to his sister, Denise DeBartolo York.  

 

Maybe it's worth the risk.  It probably is.  But I still give the chance of success less than 25%.  Dan is going to fight this tooth and nail, and if he goes down, he's going to bring as many people down around him as he can, and it's going to turn into a massive court battle.  

 

I'd love to see it happen.  I just don't think it will.  Which is why I wish Dan would just keep his trap shut.  

 

But maybe he's reached the point of so super annoying to the majority of NFL owners, they're willing to push him out. The thing is, the owners really don't care about Dan or Rodger.  If it makes Rodger's life more complicated, whatever, he's well compensated and they are fine with him having to handle this unpleasantness.  Until ~20 of the other owners have just had it, and by that I mean, it's effecting them and their bottom line, I don't see anything happening.  

[CobraCommander]

6 minutes ago, goskins10 said:

 

 

I was not being snide when I said with all due respect. I meant it sincerely. Unfortunately it appears you took it the wrong way and thus responded in kind. For example, I of course understand what straw that broke the camel's back means. No need to explain it to me. Please let's stop that line. We are just talking here. 

 

In general I agree they are not that concerned with sexual harassment on an individual basis. But this is starting to impact the brand to the point they cannot ignore it. The name to me has absolutely nothing to do with it. They had a tremendous amount of input to that process. Just because it fell flat on some fans is not enough on it's own to even be "the straw". 

 

I am not giving them the benefit of the doubt. I am still fairly certain this is just blustering for them to in the end say, well our hands are tied legally so we can't do anything, moving along. So it will end up being much ado about nothing. So in that regard I agree with you that ultimately there will not be anything done at all. I just don't think the name has anything to do with it at all. In fact it's one of the few things the team has done that the NFL has supported. 

 

 

Whatever it takes to get this clown out of here. Sorry to be combative but I just have zero faith anyone involved has a soul.

[Riggo#44]

I'm usually very middle-of-the-road when it comes to scandals like this and wait for all information and don't usually get overworked about verdicts. I don't get worked up over scandals, I think most people in these situations are lying, or just want attention.

 

That being said, I don't mind if they are in this instance. **** it. Lie. Make **** up. Plant evidence. Bury a cadaver in his back yard...possibly by the trees he cut down. I don't care, just get this assface out.

[Peregrine]

21 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said:

I'm usually very middle-of-the-road when it comes to scandals like this and wait for all information and don't usually get overworked about verdicts. I don't get worked up over scandals, I think most people in these situations are lying, or just want attention.

 

That being said, I don't mind if they are in this instance. **** it. Lie. Make **** up. Plant evidence. Bury a cadaver in his back yard...possibly by the trees he cut down. I don't care, just get this assface out.

Im preeeetty sure if you go to plant a cadaver in his back yard you'll find one already there half way through digging.  Knowing this Dan fellow I highly doubt we know the top 10 worst things hes ever done, and the things we know are pretty bad.

[GhostofAlvinWalton]

Like @Voice_of_Reason said, we need 20+ owners to be done with this dude. That requires a bombshell or a continuous source of fuel for the fire until it get untenable for the other owners. 
 

There is a nice beginning to a small fire right now. Some more fuel to that would be for the SB pre-game shows to be mentioning this crap on Sunday. There are 100,000s of people domestic and internationally that don’t really follow the NFL or NFL news that will get introduced to this story if it is mentioned Sunday. My wife is a Packers fan and she has no idea that this has spun up in the last week or so. There are a lot of people that have no idea of what’s happening. Those people learning about this on SB Sunday will piss off the other owners. 

We need this to stay in the news periodically up to and through the draft. And then through opening night/weekend on the season. 

Small drops of water can one day grow into a huge ocean. 

 

 

[redskinss]

46 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said:

I'm usually very middle-of-the-road when it comes to scandals like this and wait for all information and don't usually get overworked about verdicts. I don't get worked up over scandals, I think most people in these situations are lying, or just want attention.

 

That being said, I don't mind if they are in this instance. **** it. Lie. Make **** up. Plant evidence. Bury a cadaver in his back yard...possibly by the trees he cut down. I don't care, just get this assface out.

When you were talking about florio the other day I was in full agreement,  I think he's a vile repugnant person but for the first time in my life I think I've decided he may be useful for once. 

If his endless muckraking takes down Snyder my opinion of him may move up a teensy tiny bit.

[goskins10]

29 minutes ago, GhostofAlvinWalton said:

Like @Voice_of_Reason said, we need 20+ owners to be done with this dude. That requires a bombshell or a continuous source of fuel for the fire until it get untenable for the other owners. 
 

There is a nice beginning to a small fire right now. Some more fuel to that would be for the SB pre-game shows to be mentioning this crap on Sunday. There are 100,000s of people domestic and internationally that don’t really follow the NFL or NFL news that will get introduced to this story if it is mentioned Sunday. My wife is a Packers fan and she has no idea that this has spun up in the last week or so. There are a lot of people that have no idea of what’s happening. Those people learning about this on SB Sunday will piss off the other owners. 

We need this to stay in the news periodically up to and through the draft. And then through opening night/weekend on the season. 

Small drops of water can one day grow into a huge ocean. 

 

 

Goodell is not doing this on his own. Owner Leadership has directed him. He is just a puppet. He is not making a single move without the majority of owners support. No chance he goes rogue. It has to be serious for them to let it interrupt Super Bowl week. The needle has moved at least. How much? We will see. 

[profusion]

My sense is that it all hinges on Jerry Jones, who has an outsized influence. If Dan loses Jerry, then it'll be over. For most owners, I think the NFL is a combination of a neat toy for billionaires and a steadily appreciating asset. It's an actual business venture for Jerry, who makes money off of it with his stadium construction business, for example. He seems to be driving most of the league's decisionmaking.

 

If Jerry thinks that Dan needs to go, then he'll go.

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

1 hour ago, Riggo#44 said:

I'm usually very middle-of-the-road when it comes to scandals like this and wait for all information and don't usually get overworked about verdicts. I don't get worked up over scandals, I think most people in these situations are lying, or just want attention.

 

That being said, I don't mind if they are in this instance. **** it. Lie. Make **** up. Plant evidence. Bury a cadaver in his back yard...possibly by the trees he cut down. I don't care, just get this assface out.

I get the point but I doubt we need anyone to tell lies.  We already know enough about him to know that he's generally an awful person.  I'm more inclined to believe that there's much worse to be uncovered about him.  Wealthy, powerful people get away with all sorts of things just on the strength of their reach - particularly wealthy, powerful people who are notoriously vindictive and petty.

 

What we need is for more of those he's done wrong to have enough courage to take him on.

[Voice_of_Reason]

34 minutes ago, GhostofAlvinWalton said:

Like @Voice_of_Reason said, we need 20+ owners to be done with this dude. That requires a bombshell or a continuous source of fuel for the fire until it get untenable for the other owners. 

What we need to keep in mind is the definition of "untenable for the other owners."

 

I rather doubt Dan's issues effect, for example, Jerry Jones on a daily basis.  Or John Mara, or whoever owns the Saints, Sea Hawks, Rams and Bucs.  They probably would prefer the whole mess go away, but at the same time, they also know evicting Dan is going to be  painful process filled with litigation and back-stabbing, etc. So they relax in their luxury homes, offices and yachts, and are not bothered by it.

 

Rodger is probably bothered by it.  But none of the owners care about what bothers Rodger. They pay him well, and this is why.  

 

Also, I'd be willing to bet ALL the money in my left front pocket against all the money in your left front pocket that Jerry has, at some point during his ownership, put his skeletor hand on a woman's thigh or backside inappropriately. I mean, I just can't fathom that hasn't happened.  Maybe it hasn't.  But you see pics with him and random young, attractive women all the time.  And I wouldn't be at all surprised to know that Dan KNOWS this has happened.  

 

I really think the owners are just going to turn a blind eye to all of this until there are criminal charges.  They'll do what they have started to do, which is say, "this is Dan's mess.  If you want to make life so uncomfortable for him, he decides to sell, great.  Or if you can charge him with a crime, that's fine too.  But until then, you deal with it."

 

So to me, the question is, could Dan be brought up on any criminal charges?  I think the statue of limitations has actually expired on the allegations made in front of congress (I could be mistaken about that).  But if he was brought up on sexual assault charges, then he's out.  

 

I just don't think any of the other noise is going to motivate enough of the other owners to do anything.  I hope I'm wrong.  But honestly, I doubt I am.  

[Mrshadow008]

6 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

What we need to keep in mind is the definition of "untenable for the other owners."

 

I rather doubt Dan's issues effect, for example, Jerry Jones on a daily basis.  Or John Mara, or whoever owns the Saints, Sea Hawks, Rams and Bucs.  They probably would prefer the whole mess go away, but at the same time, they also know evicting Dan is going to be  painful process filled with litigation and back-stabbing, etc. So they relax in their luxury homes, offices and yachts, and are not bothered by it.

 

Rodger is probably bothered by it.  But none of the owners care about what bothers Rodger. They pay him well, and this is why.  

 

Also, I'd be willing to bet ALL the money in my left front pocket against all the money in your left front pocket that Jerry has, at some point during his ownership, put his skeletor hand on a woman's thigh or backside inappropriately. I mean, I just can't fathom that hasn't happened.  Maybe it hasn't.  But you see pics with him and random young, attractive women all the time.  And I wouldn't be at all surprised to know that Dan KNOWS this has happened.  

 

I really think the owners are just going to turn a blind eye to all of this until there are criminal charges.  They'll do what they have started to do, which is say, "this is Dan's mess.  If you want to make life so uncomfortable for him, he decides to sell, great.  Or if you can charge him with a crime, that's fine too.  But until then, you deal with it."

 

So to me, the question is, could Dan be brought up on any criminal charges?  I think the statue of limitations has actually expired on the allegations made in front of congress (I could be mistaken about that).  But if he was brought up on sexual assault charges, then he's out.  

 

I just don't think any of the other noise is going to motivate enough of the other owners to do anything.  I hope I'm wrong.  But honestly, I doubt I am.  

I disagree to an extent. The longer this goes on the more it starts becoming a **** measuring contest between Congress and the NFL. The longer this goes on the more the NFL starts risking Congress poking their nose into other NFL related matters. Also the longer it goes on and the more its in the media the more the owners risk sponsors. Those are things that directly affect ALL of the owners. I guarantee none of those owners want Congress to start poking their noses in other NFL matters. 

Edited February 11, 2022 by Mrshadow008

[JamesMadisonSkins]

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

13 minutes ago, goskins10 said:

Goodell is not doing this on his own. Owner Leadership has directed him. He is just a puppet. He is not making a single move without the majority of owners support. No chance he goes rogue. It has to be serious for them to let it interrupt Super Bowl week. The needle has moved at least. How much? We will see. 

I think what Goodell was directed to do by the owners is distance the NFL writ large from Dan.  So make sure his stench doesn't tarnish the whole league.  I very much doubt he was given any direction to start the process of removing him.  

 

They will investigate.  They will find there is no evidence to prove the words of whatshername in front of congress, and an important legal point, she did NOT make those allegations under oath.  I am IN NO WAY suggesting she's lying.  But unless you can prove that it happened, it's going to be a he-said, she-said, and the NFL is going to end up throwing their hands in the air and being done with it.

 

The flip side is if Congress REALLY pushes this and they are able to get the Justice Department to get involved.  I outlined in an earlier post, Congress DOES have Subpoena power.  However, it's not unlimited.  It has to be related to some type of legislative agenda.  And they have basically no re-course except to try and file civil suites if somebody just ignores a subpoena.  

 

Now, the one thing they could do is get the Justice Department or FBI to start a criminal investigation, and that gives them a whole lot more teeth.  And that could happen.  

 

But also keep this in mind: whatever congress is going to do probably has to happen in the next few months.  There is a better than shooting chance the GOP takes over the house in the midterms based on the recent polling.  If that happens, this whole thing from a congressional perspectives goes away, because the investigation is driven by the Democrat committee chairs, who would no longer be committee chairs if the Dems lose the House. So, if anything is going to happen, there needs to be some significant momentum to it now, or there's a risk it will all die due to the run-up to the election, and then will be subject to whatever happens during the mid-terms.  NOTE: THIs is NOT a political statement or post.  It's just a statement of fact, and you can't avoid stating partisan facts when Congress is involved.  I'm making no assertions on what should happen, or what will happen.  Just would COULD happen, and the results of that occurrence.  

[Jumbo]

a couple of minor positive notes about the comms, or at least those that actually take the field---jon allen was on gmfb wednesday and makes for great representation for the team....he's articulate and thoughtful and poised and the sense i get from him and a few others on the team is that through all the adversity on so many fronts, including it being a consistently losing franchise, there are still a majority of guys who have banded together in their 'foxhole' that still have hope and still believe in their selves and determination to work hard to win more games...how he keeps his head high, message so clear, still shows drive and resolve, and even good humor at times, was impressive

 

 

similarly, gmfb this a.m. had rr on and if you watch the show regularly they are big rr boosters and have been all along (why wouldn't they be)

 

 

and ron delivered in spades...he was a great ambassador for the brand while still being obviously credible as a hc when it came to talking topcis related to playing the game...he passed out more comms swag and the gang were all thumbs up about the new gear etc but they're a different audience for the unis etc than actual longtime fans of the team, of course...while they asked rr about the diversity challenges still prominent in coaching, they didn't touch on the topic of dan or the harassment charges ...rr is still a keeper for us on and off the field for now, imo

[goskins10]

9 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

I think what Goodell was directed to do by the owners is distance the NFL writ large from Dan.  So make sure his stench doesn't tarnish the whole league.  I very much doubt he was given any direction to start the process of removing him.  

 

 

 

I did not say bolded. I said he is not doing anything without thier buy in. In terms of how far they go I did not even guess to that. I just that the needle has moved - if you feel like that was too vague let me be clear. He does not throw danny under a bus without thier approval. So for me the % chance he gets removed needle has moved. I am not at all stating or even implying they said get rid of Dan. I have no idea. But I do know if there is a divorce this is the start. But I agree right now they are most likely saying let's distance ourselves and see how it plays out. 

[Riggo#44]

1 hour ago, redskinss said:

When you were talking about florio the other day I was in full agreement,  I think he's a vile repugnant person but for the first time in my life I think I've decided he may be useful for once. 

If his endless muckraking takes down Snyder my opinion of him may move up a teensy tiny bit.

Enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[Wildbunny]

4 hours ago, Panninho said:

I think you are mistaken if you don't think they care about the botched name reveal. This is NFL, this is entertainment. Of course, if this was an isolated issue no one would bat an eye. But this just fits the overall pattern here. The piss poor fan experience at the stadium, Snyder's inability to get a new stadium deal done, low attendance, a fan base that was once enormous is now shrinking by the day, a ridiculously poor effort with the number retirement of a (universally) loved franchise player, etc.

This new name is/was an opportunity to start a new era. If done right it could have injected some excitement into that depleted fan base. And it is a big thing for the league as well. If done right, this gets you a lot of media attention, branding opportunity, a storyline to build around. The fact that the NFL fans on a broad basis made fun of the name and the own fans seem to not like it and thought the reveal was a **** show is just another sign to them that nothing is about to change for the better in the nation's capital...and it's costing them money.

 

It's not the main issue obviously but I don't think it is far fetched to say that it still is a somewhat important issue for the league.

You're reading too much into it.

Nickname is the last of their problems here. The NFL changed their position after the roundtable from the Congress. That's what made the needle move. They didn't throw him under the bus as soon as they heared about it, but let Dan do another stupid move. Then they threw him under the bus. The very difference with the first accusations as it's already been noted here, is that Dan wasn't directly tied to them. That was some of his "employees". Not it's him who's on the hot seat. And that's a big difference.

 

Rebranding as nothing to do with it.

 

And honestly, if going Commanders is the beginning of the end of Dan's ownership. I'll worship the name for all my life.

4 hours ago, KDawg said:

Hey man, no worries. Snyder is hiring someone to look into himself. I see honesty and integrity on the horizon.

Hiring someone? Like a proctologist?

[SonnySideUp]

It wouldn't surprise me if another reason the NFL may be starting to distance themselves from Washington is because they now have the Brian Flores/Giants mess to contend with as well. That may be motivating them to try and clean some things up some and get their house in a little better shape. Especially now that Congress has gotten involved too.

 

Edited February 11, 2022 by SonnySideUp

[Redskins 2021]

I think he will be forced out. It will take a long time but they will get rid of him.

[Wildbunny]

2 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

But maybe he's reached the point of so super annoying to the majority of NFL owners, they're willing to push him out. The thing is, the owners really don't care about Dan or Rodger.  If it makes Rodger's life more complicated, whatever, he's well compensated and they are fine with him having to handle this unpleasantness.  Until ~20 of the other owners have just had it, and by that I mean, it's effecting them and their bottom line, I don't see anything happening.  

I've taken parts in enough voting for my Mayor to know that well, voting doesn't really work like that.

 

Usually in a room, before a vote you have 2/3 guys that are standing firm with the "YES" camp. 2/3 on the other side that is standing firm in the "NO" camp. And everybody else is just waiting for the shouting match to end and vote for the camp that is shouting more, or the one they are tied to for whatever reason. The question that is being voted is almost irrelevant in 90% of the time.

 

So what you really need is 2/3 owners against Dan. All the others, that are probably more annoyed than anything and don't care much about that, that will just side with those 2/3 owners. Then you have your 20 votes even if most of them don't care at all. They'll do this to be on the "good side".

8 minutes ago, SonnySideUp said:

It wouldn't surprise me if another reason the NFL may be starting to distance themselves from Washington is because they now have the Brian Flores/Giants mess to contend with as well. That may be motivating them to try and clean some things up some and get their house in a little better shape. Especially now that Congress has gotten involved too.

 

Of course it does.

They cannot ride two horses at the same time. They have to pick their battle.

 

And if you compare both, it's quite clear they cannot lose against Flores, that's where they're gonna send all their troops. Dan can die slowly on his hill all alone, they have a way bigger problem to face on the Flores front.

[goskins10]

19 minutes ago, SonnySideUp said:

It wouldn't surprise me if another reason the NFL may be starting to distance themselves from Washington is because they now have the Brian Flores/Giants mess to contend with as well. That may be motivating them to try and clean some things up some and get their house in a little better shape. Especially now that Congress has gotten involved too.

 

 

 

This is a really good point. I can see them choosing this fight over the Flores fight. That has no winner. They can get a win tossing danny and probably sweep the Brian Flores issue under, or at least try really hard. Pretty disgusting, but would not put it past them. 

[88Comrade2000]

I fully expect Dan to be owner until he dies.

 

As for Congress, once the government changes hand in January; their investigation ends. So Dan and the NFL will run out the clock.

As for justice department filing something; doubtful. 

 

 

The NFL really doesn't care about sexual harassment; just how it affects their image. If they did, they would've started an investigation from day one. They would've had real penalties with teeth.

 

A real suspension of Snyder for 2-3 years; Steinbrenner style. A fine of 100 million or greater. Removal of drafts picks. We should've lost our 21 and 22 first round picks.

You make the penalty severe.

 

I don't expect anything to come of that person who accused Dan of touching her. He said, she said unless there's witnesses. 

 

 

The NFL blew it when that news of that cheerleading  tapecame out. They should've investigated that.

 

 

 

The only way owners turn against Dan is it affects their wallets. Sponsors put pressure on the NFL. I don't see that happening. 

[NewCliche21]

34 minutes ago, SonnySideUp said:

It wouldn't surprise me if another reason the NFL may be starting to distance themselves from Washington is because they now have the Brian Flores/Giants mess to contend with as well. That may be motivating them to try and clean some things up some and get their house in a little better shape. Especially now that Congress has gotten involved too.

 

 

In my happy world they throw Dan under the bus to show they are making changes, but still fail with the Giants due to racial issues.