A New Start! (the Reboot) The Front Office, Ownership, & Coaching Staff Thread

[CobraCommander]

36 minutes ago, spjunkies said:

 

False, DC United stadium is home to the Washington Defenders and hasn't Nats Park hosted bowl games? Huh tough guy?

😂 Audi field is a soccer stadium and you know it. Nats park hosted bowl games? Like college football? Nah, but they can do concerts there. I heard Elton John all the way from my backyard. 

[SkinsFTW]

26 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

As evidenced by the leaked emails, I think it’s safe to say that Bruce isn’t the most swell guy in his own right.  Those two together made for what we have now.

 

That isn't the point though. Bruce might be a douche but that's not what this is about. Dumb moves like this can only be made by owners or idiots (Also Cousins) and Bruce is not a total idiot. Dan has found a way to take every opportunity to make good things bad and bad things worse, for over 20 years.

 

That is Dan's default move. This is Dan telling Laverneus Coles that he'll send him a flat screen TV to watch the games, except quite a bit dumber. Right down his alley. 

 

That's why he won't ever address the fans who have already left in droves. He has uncontrollable Foot To Mouth disease and he has no intention of changing. 

[CobraCommander]

7 minutes ago, Blanka said:

Gonna call my shot

 

Next Dan story drops the day we play Philly on MNF

 

 

Ugh. That should be a fun game. 😭

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

17 minutes ago, Blanka said:

Gonna call my shot

 

Next Dan story drops the day we play Philly on MNF

 

 

Shoot that story directly into my veins.

[Skinsinparadise]

44 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

As evidenced by the leaked emails, I think it’s safe to say that Bruce isn’t the most swell guy in his own right.  Those two together made for what we have now.

 

Me and you I think too the most arrows on that previous Bruce-FO thread.

 

I didn't really think our points were even that insightful and warranted all the hostiity we got.  They felt as plain as day at the time.  That more than anything makes me feel vindicated in that some here don't even believe that Bruce had defenders or believe that some were really feisty about defending the status quo. I said on that thread back then Cerrato also in real time had defenders and the Bruce defending might not age well.  And here we are today and the Bruce defending feels as ridiculous now as the Cerrato defending back in the day.

 

In retrospect a lot on that thread would be comedy to reread today including some ridiculing me for touting the Eagles as the better run FO.  Plenty had Bruce's back at the contract negotiation and getting the 3rd comp pick for Kirk as a job well done among other things.  there was one poster in particular who gave us a hard time for not having Dan and Bruce's back and he claimed that made us bad fans among other things.  One poster said with conviction that it was Jay not Dan who wanted Haskins.  On and on and on. 

 

If we ever get rid of Dan, people here like you, @Jumbo, @Conn, @goskins10, @Riggo#44 , @TSO  among many others who can't stand the dude and what he did to the franchise -- we've earned some football happiness as the rest of the fan base.    Darkest before the dawn.   If Karma is a thing, we've earned some good karma.  I don't blame those fans for bailing but for those who stuck it out -- we deserve some football good karma for a change. 

Edited November 1, 2022 by Skinsinparadise

[88Comrade2000]

Who the **** cares about Taylor Swift. I like some of her songs but could care less about her tour.

 

Whether some tour chooses to pick Fed Ex is irrelevant.

 

The only issue is Dan vs the nfl that will start right after the SuperBowl. Until that reaches a conclusion; one way or another, nothing else matters.

 

If Dan remains; it won’t matter either because you already know what you will get.

[Riggo#44]

1 hour ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

Who the **** cares about Taylor Swift. I like some of her songs but could care less about her tour.

 

Whether some tour chooses to pick Fed Ex is irrelevant.

Anything negative towards Snyder is a good thing. It's another reminder the place is a ****hole and Snyder cannot get out of said ****hole because no one wants to do business with him.

[Voice_of_Reason]

2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

The only movement that would give me more optimism is @Voice_of_Reason saying you know what i do want these negative articles to continue -- once that goes down i think we might be close? 

Keep them coming, baby.  

 

The stories I object to are the regurgitated no-new-information stories. Stories with new information, especially that owners are turning in Snyder, that’s actual real news and I love it.

 

I am starting to think (and hope) there is some component of an orchestrated play going on here.  Possibly by some of the owners.  The ESPN piece was the til-off.  While the Wash Post has an ax to grind, ESPN doesn’t.  And the fact they were able to get the quoted they got is interesting.  Then the Irsay comments.  
 

It actually seems like the owners are behind some of this and THAT is news.

 

So keep these stories coming.

 

2 hours ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

Who the **** cares about Taylor Swift. I like some of her songs but could care less about her tour.

Well, she has 230 million Instagram followers, so, then? (I don’t.  But it was easy to look up.)

[Riggo#44]

18 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

The stories I object to are the regurgitated no-new-information stories

Even these have value. They're a reminder Snyder is a Class A POS, terrible person and business partner, and the league has done nothing about it.

[Skinsinparadise]

8 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said:

Even these have value. They're a reminder Snyder is a Class A POS, terrible person and business partner, and the league has done nothing about it.

 

Yep and I'd add some of the national media insider types have said from what they heard some of what bothers the fellow owners is that its constant stories and doesn't stop with Dan -- no end in sight.  So the WP and others who keep beating the drum are helping this worthy cause. 

Edited November 2, 2022 by Skinsinparadise

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

I know this sounds crazy, but I do believe Dan could somewhat endear himself to what’s left of the fanbase if he voluntarily put the team up for sale.  
 

He both seems to not care an iota what his customer base thinks of him yet feels the need to issue a response to each article written about him.  
 

How did we end up with this melting pot of negative qualities as our owner?  I realize that filthy rich guys normally leave a lot to be desired as human beings, but we ended up with one who has zero redeeming qualities.

 

Edited November 2, 2022 by BatteredFanSyndrome

[88Comrade2000]

Looks like the really only benefit to us in the Jackson trade was getting some cap space.

[BleedBNG]

 

 

Edited November 2, 2022 by BleedBNG

[Skinsinparadise]

6 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

I know this sounds crazy, but I do believe Dan could somewhat endear himself to what’s left of the fanbase if he voluntarily put the team up for sale.  
 

He both seems to not care an iota what his customer base thinks of him yet feels the need to issue a response to each article written about him.  
 

How did we end up with this melting pot of negative qualities as our owner?  I realize that filthy rich guys normally leave a lot to be desired as human beings, but we ended up with one who has zero redeeming qualities.

 

 

From those that know him a little I get the impression...

 

A.  He's delusional as heck.

 

B.  He geninuely does believes its OTHER people's fault for this team's demise.  He hired the right people but these people betrayed his trust and oddly bombed at their job.  If you recall that was Art (I haven't seen him post in eons) defense of Dan. 

 

C.  It's all about bad luck at finding the franchise QB.

 

D.  Eventually they will find that franchise QB and when they do they will win.  And all will be forgiven by the fans who will then forgive Dan and overcome their false impression of him now.

[Darrell Green Fan]

18 hours ago, FLSkinz83 said:

 

I'm one of those who will always be 100% in no matter who owns the team or anything else.   I want Snyder to lift the SB trophy, not because I like Dan, but because I love the team.

 

I thought the name change would diminish some of my passion, but so far it hasn't.   

For me I had already decided enough was enough after he intimidated the witnesses.  When I saw something called the Commanders take the field in strange and unfamiliar uniforms it made it easy for me, I had no connection to this team anymore.  And I'm one who was all for the name change from Redskins. 

 

 

[BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen]

49 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

For me I had already decided enough was enough after he intimidated the witnesses.  When I saw something called the Commanders take the field in strange and unfamiliar uniforms it made it easy for me, I had no connection to this team anymore.  And I'm one who was all for the name change from Redskins. 

 

 

The tone deafness Snyder exhibited about the new name should have been a big indicator to people about how little he cares about the fan base. It should have been easy...any other owner would have involved the fans from the beginning as well as competent design specialists.

 

What did he do? He picked the new name over a year before it was announced without any input, hired no specialists and chose the 23rd letter of the alphabet as a logo, and let his unqualified wife design the uniforms. Then botched the rollout on TV.

 

I'm sure people were giving Dan advice, but he didn't listen as usual or just fired them, which caused others to shut up and fall in line. Snyder continues to be a class 1 jerk because he doesn't take input.

 

I mean seriously..."Uhhh, we're the Commanders!" 😖 You would expect that from some local flag football team, not a storied NFL franchise!

[Wildbunny]

2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

C.  It's all about bad luck at finding the franchise QB.

With all the meddling Dan has done regarding the QB position since he's the owner it's weird he still hasn't questionned his scouting skills...

But I supposed the answer to that is tied with your A and B...

 

1 hour ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

When I saw something called the Commanders take the field in strange and unfamiliar uniforms it made it easy for me, I had no connection to this team anymore.

Even though I hated everything about the cheerleaders stuff and thought that those reasons alone should have get him out, the rebranding just sealing the coffin for me. It just plain suck top to bottom and I just don't recognize my team when they step on the field.

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

From those that know him a little I get the impression...

 

A.  He's delusional as heck.

 

B.  He geninuely does believes its OTHER people's fault for this team's demise.  He hired the right people but these people betrayed his trust and oddly bombed at their job.  If you recall that was Art (I haven't seen him post in eons) defense of Dan. 

 

C.  It's all about bad luck at finding the franchise QB.

 

D.  Eventually they will find that franchise QB and when they do they will win.  And all will be forgiven by the fans who will then forgive Dan and overcome their false impression of him now.

All of that for sure. 
 

I can even potentially buy his line of thinking through the first decade or so.  
 

But it’s now almost a quarter century in, and he’s still not figured anything out.  I just don’t know how he can look at what’s transpired over the last 5 years, and just how far everything has crumbled under his watch, and not want to escape it all by selling.

[Skinsinparadise]

19 minutes ago, Wildbunny said:

With all the meddling Dan has done regarding the QB position since he's the owner it's weird he still hasn't questionned his scouting skills...

But I supposed the answer to that is tied with your A and B...

 

 

Delusion seems to be the operative word with Dan -- he tells himself how great he is yet unlucky.  I am sure he has a narrative about all of his failed QB moves -- ala yeah he wanted McNabb but Shanny didn't adjust his scheme to his skills.  Jay didn't want Haskins so he didn't groom him.  Jeff George would have worked if Marty supported him.    Ramsey just wasn't a fit to the fun and gun scheme.

 

I get the impression that he thinks his tenure has been ruined by coaches who take advantage of him and they in turn ruined these QBs.

 

It's part of the reason why I get feisty when some people argue on other threads that the problem hasn't been we had the wrong QBs but its that we had the wrong support system.  For starters I don't believe that.  But the 2nd aspect of that point for me is my best guess is Dan agrees with that sentiment 100% -- they had the right QBs but the wrong coaches-schemes to support said QBs.  So Dan feels empowered to continue to take the lead to fish for these QBs and is hoping that he finally finds the right coach to groom them.

 

Heck we've had two coaching hires that seem to be almost 100% driven by finding the "right" coach to groom our struggiling QBs.  Zorn was going to fix Campbell and Jay was going to fix RG3.  Sounds nuts now but at the time that was the narrative.

[Skinsinparadise]

10 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

All of that for sure. 
 

I can even potentially buy his line of thinking through the first decade or so.  
 

But it’s now almost a quarter century in, and he’s still not figured anything out.  I just don’t know how he can look at what’s transpired over the last 5 years, and just how far everything has crumbled under his watch, and not want to escape it all by selling.

 

That's Sheenan's take, he thinks eventually Dan caves and sells.  Though he hasn't shared this take recently so don't know if he still believes that.

 

I think he's too arrogant, spiteful and defensive to surrender so to speak.

 

I do LOVE that the fans are now chanting sell the team at the stadium.  I've been to my share of home games and I've never heard chants like that until the Eagles game this year.  Dan clearly doesn't like to feel uncomfortable publicly.  I wonder if fans taking it directly to him and Tanya with those chants tests him in ways over time where maybe he finally breaks down.

 

I suspect though he is going to go down fighting.  If I knew for sure that the outcome is Dan sells, I'd root for him being voted out then selling -- i do think the Shakespearian ending would be Dan would be voted out -- much more momentous and embarasssing and would fit the karma he's earned. 

Edited November 2, 2022 by Skinsinparadise

[BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen]

23 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Delusion seems to be the operative word with Dan -- he tells himself how great he is yet unlucky.  I am sure he has a narrative about all of his failed QB moves -- ala yeah he wanted McNabb but Shanny didn't adjust his scheme to his skills.  Jay didn't want Haskins so he didn't groom him.  Jeff George would have worked if Marty supported him.    Ramsey just wasn't a fit to the fun and gun scheme.

 

I get the impression that he thinks his tenure has been ruined by coaches who take advantage of him and they in turn ruined these QBs.

 

It's part of the reason why I get feisty when some people argue on other threads that the problem hasn't been we had the wrong QBs but its that we had the wrong support system.  For starters I don't believe that.  But the 2nd aspect of that point for me is my best guess is Dan agrees with that sentiment 100% -- they had the right QBs but the wrong coaches-schemes to support said QBs.  So Dan feels empowered to continue to take the lead to fish for these QBs and is hoping that he finally finds the right coach to groom them.

 

Heck we've had two coaching hires that seem to be almost 100% driven by finding the "right" coach to groom our struggiling QBs.  Zorn was going to fix Campbell and Jay was going to fix RG3.  Sounds nuts now but at the time that was the narrative.

 

Of course Snyder is too dense to admit that he undermined his coaches with his jock-sniffing enabling behaviors. We all know about players going around the coaches to get preferential treatment from Snyder (Portis) against Zorn and his chumming around with "RG III And Out" over Shanahan and Haskins over Gruden/Rivera because he went to the same school as his kid. No coach can survive in an environment like that!

[Andre The Giant]

 

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

24 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

I think he's too arrogant, spiteful and defensive to surrender so to speak.

Agreed.

 

Thats what I mean when I say we literally got the worst combination.  All filthy rich folks leave something to be desired, but ours is just the absolute worst because all the positives you expect from a billionaire he doesn’t offer, and all the negatives he has in spades.

I’m certain he spent his entire formative years yearning to be something he wasn’t and likely built this complex that we’ve had to deal with for the last few decades.

 

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

12 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Agreed.

 

Thats what I mean when I say we literally got the worst combination.  All filthy rich folks leave something to be desired, but ours is just the absolute worst because all the positives you expect from a billionaire he doesn’t offer, and all the negatives he has in spades.

I’m certain he spent his entire formative years yearning to be something he wasn’t and likely built this complex that we’ve had to deal with for the last few decades.

 

 

 

 

Yeah among all the stories about Dan, the one that sticks with me is the only one I heard from a person directly.  I shared this before which is someone who has a friend who is a limo driver, drove Dan and his mom to some event.  And Dan was condescending to the driver.  His mom approached the driver after he dropped them off and apologized for her son.  Who knows if its true or not but I see no reason why that person would make it up.

 

Forgot who said it but in one of the expose articles about Dan over the years, one person who knew Dan said in an article more or less that when Dan got rich he thought there was a new way for him to act and that basically to look down on everyone else.  But that statement fits so many other stories. 

Edited November 2, 2022 by Skinsinparadise

[Voice_of_Reason]

@Skinsinparadise I say bring on the stories and not even a thumbs up?

 

Sheesh.  Tough crowd.