Ball Security Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, jsharrin55 said: On a similar but separate note... If they are willing to trade Stafford I wonder if they won't franchise tag Golladay. Stafford, Golladay with Terry would be nice. If I was leading a rebuild and let my receiver walk and take the comp pick. Commit one way or another. Tagging a WR while trading your QB makes little sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CurseReversed Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 I havent look at too many of the Wr prospects but I am blown away by toney. I dont think he is getting enough attention and maybe thats a good thing. He can run, he can catch, hes got speed, he can break ankles and break tackles. He looked a lot like Gibson in space. speed with some sneaky power. His biggest talent of all is his ability to stop on a dime. He has got Jeudy level stop and go skills. He looks very rough with his route running and maybe needs some work to get to his potential but he is going to be a lethal weapon for whoever drafts him IMO> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anselmheifer Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, CurseReversed said: I havent look at too many of the Wr prospects but I am blown away by toney. I dont think he is getting enough attention and maybe thats a good thing. He can run, he can catch, hes got speed, he can break ankles and break tackles. He looked a lot like Gibson in space. speed with some sneaky power. His biggest talent of all is his ability to stop on a dime. He has got Jeudy level stop and go skills. He looks very rough with his route running and maybe needs some work to get to his potential but he is going to be a lethal weapon for whoever drafts him IMO> Totally agree. He's going to be great. I've seen a fair number of mocks with him going in the 1st. I'd be ecstatic with him in the 2nd. How far do you guys think Parsons realistically falls now? Out of the 1st? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 44 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, Anselmheifer said: How far do you guys think Parsons realistically falls now? Out of the 1st? With what's hanging over his head, I wouldn't want to draft him at all. Strong chance for him to be suspended indefinitely as soon as he is on a team, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anselmheifer Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 8 minutes ago, Number 44 said: With what's hanging over his head, I wouldn't want to draft him at all. Strong chance for him to be suspended indefinitely as soon as he is on a team, IMO. A lot of people feel that way. That's totally not what I'm asking. What I'm asking is how far he will actually fall. How much does this bother the NFL. How many teams will be willing to take a chance, and in what round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 44 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 16 minutes ago, Anselmheifer said: A lot of people feel that way. That's totally not what I'm asking. What I'm asking is how far he will actually fall. How much does this bother the NFL. How many teams will be willing to take a chance, and in what round? Sorry, I thought my answer was pretty clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Anselmheifer said: A lot of people feel that way. That's totally not what I'm asking. What I'm asking is how far he will actually fall. How much does this bother the NFL. How many teams will be willing to take a chance, and in what round? Undraftable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 6 hours ago, Number 44 said: You've lost me. I'm not seeing how a comparison of the WFT and Colts WRs would matter at all to the Lions. WFT has the better draft pick to offer. That seems relevant to me. The WRs? Not so much. What we were getting at were potential add on pieces to a deal that could swing it one way or another. It helps we are 2 spots higher than the Colts are but it's not a huge difference and I'm hoping we get creative and use players vs Day 2 picks to get the deal done because we could use all the cheap productive talent we can get given all the guys we'll have to pay for over the next 2-3 seasons. I'd hate to lose Allen but it also saves us close to $10M in 2021 - one way to think about it is would you rather have Allen or L. David & a 3rd round pick (assuming the 2021 cap hit is lower than the 2022 and 2023 hits). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Anselmheifer said: A lot of people feel that way. That's totally not what I'm asking. What I'm asking is how far he will actually fall. How much does this bother the NFL. How many teams will be willing to take a chance, and in what round? He'll get drafted, my guess is somewhere on day 2. NFL teams take chances on talent. But he is going to burn his team IMO. He has major immaturity issues that I guarantee would cause him to fall out of favor quickly here. I was reading about his recruitment last night and that alone would have spooked me before even considering the hazing accusations. Taking it altogether, a violent child like that with a scummy coach like James Franklin enabling him and blowing smoke up his ass for the past three years is not a recipe for success. I feel like some of these super recruits are just not very good kids. I'd rather have some of these former three star recruits who painstakingly mold themselves into high level NFL prospects like a Zaven Collins type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 16 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: He'll get drafted, my guess is somewhere on day 2. NFL teams take chances on talent. But he is going to burn his team IMO. He has major immaturity issues that I guarantee would cause him to fall out of favor quickly here. I was reading about his recruitment last night and that alone would have spooked me before even considering the hazing accusations. Taking it altogether, a violent child like that with a scummy coach like James Franklin enabling him and blowing smoke up his ass for the past three years is not a recipe for success. I feel like some of these super recruits are just not very good kids. I'd rather have some of these former three star recruits who painstakingly mold themselves into high level NFL prospects like a Zaven Collins type. Link to the recruitment stuff? I read the hazing accusations, and while undoubtedly super ****ed up, it’s not *necessarily* behavior you can project to follow him to the NFL. Just curious if there’s a more complete picture out there on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 6 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: But RR has said that QB is the most important position they need to fill. So if we don't trade for one like Stafford, maybe Carr or sign Dak don't you see us drafting one in the 1st round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry.Randolphe Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 4 hours ago, Anselmheifer said: How far do you guys think Parsons realistically falls now? Out of the 1st? The Cowboys will take him on Day 2 - he fits right in with their character Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 6 hours ago, RWJ said: But RR has said that QB is the most important position they need to fill. So if we don't trade for one like Stafford, maybe Carr or sign Dak don't you see us drafting one in the 1st round? Don't know. I don't think they are going to draft one just to draft one. One thing to keep in mind the odds are in favor of a QB pick (especially if its the 5th most highly regarded one which is likely at 19) to fail versus being the answer. So it depends on context and whose left. 7 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said: I feel like some of these super recruits are just not very good kids. I'd rather have some of these former three star recruits who painstakingly mold themselves into high level NFL prospects like a Zaven Collins type. Not 100% sure that Colilns quickly adjusts to MLB considering he played outside backer in college but he certainly has the physical tools to do it and from what I've read his intangibles are through the roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 So he's slimmed down some Too bad with his size he's not much of a blocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 my favorite QB fliers in the later rounds are in order: Newman, Book, Mond. I did't love Ehlinger from his play but am intrigued but his intangibles. Book actually reminds me some as to his size and style of play to Heinicke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dyst Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 So at 19 the QB we have a chance to grab based on possible availability is Mac Jones right? Is having major weapons on his team and his lack of mobility the biggest knocks? Everything else seems to indicate he has good feet, throws with accuracy, quick decision surveying the play/field and adept at making a pocket for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max21 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Damn wtf did Parsons do? Just hearing about this now. What a shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 50 minutes ago, dyst said: So at 19 the QB we have a chance to grab based on possible availability is Mac Jones right? Is having major weapons on his team and his lack of mobility the biggest knocks? Everything else seems to indicate he has good feet, throws with accuracy, quick decision surveying the play/field and adept at making a pocket for him. Hard pass on Jones. He's gonna suck in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, dyst said: So at 19 the QB we have a chance to grab based on possible availability is Mac Jones right? Is having major weapons on his team and his lack of mobility the biggest knocks? Everything else seems to indicate he has good feet, throws with accuracy, quick decision surveying the play/field and adept at making a pocket for him. Always be wary of players on teams absolutely loaded with talent. How good is Jones when his OL and Weapons aren't playing against lesser talent? Even just in the SEC there's a difference between Alabama recruitment and what other schools can recruit. Alabama is going to have possibly 1 OL, 1RB, and 2 WR drafted in the first round. We're talking about an elite supporting cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CobraCommander Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, max21 said: Damn wtf did Parsons do? Just hearing about this now. What a shame There seem to be a lot of allegations, I can't quite figure it all out but it seems to all stem from a hazing incident in which Parsons and the player Isaiah Humphries got physical and Humphries actually pulled out a knife. Then Humphries went on to file a law suit, not against Parsons although he is named in the lawsuit. https://phinphanatic.com/2021/01/24/miami-dolphins-remove-parsons-off-draft-list-report/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CobraCommander Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 8 hours ago, Barry.Randolphe said: The Cowboys will take him on Day 2 - he fits right in with their character https://heavy.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/micah-parsons-draft-cowboys-nfl-team-choice/ Also he wants to be a Cowboy. I can easily see this scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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