2021 Comprehensive Draft Thread

[actorguy1]

 

[Skinsinparadise]

52 minutes ago, HigSkin said:

 

Anybody done any research on Mond?

 

 

 

In real time, I've watched him.  Really up and down QB.  Hard to get a handle on.  I haven't studied him yet.   Accuracy worries me some.    He has some mobility but not enough where I am intrigued as much as Ridder.  

 

 

 

On another note, I read McShay's new mock.  Some of what got my attention:

 

Devonta Smith #3

Wilson #4

Fields #15 then he goes he doubts he drops that far

Slater #5

Pitts #8

Koramoah #10

Etienne #16

We take Lance at #19

One of my dudes Elijah Moore at #20

Mac Jones #21

Z.  Collins #23

N. Harris #28

Edited January 7, 2021 by Skinsinparadise

[DWinzit]

8 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

In real time, I've watched him.  Really up and down QB.  Hard to get a handle on.  I haven't studied him yet.   Accuracy worries me some.    He has some mobility but not enough where I am intrigued as much as Ridder.  

 

On another note, I read McShay's new mock.  Some of what got my attention:

 

Devonta Smith #3

Wilson #4

Fields #15 then he goes he doubts he drops that far

Slater #5

Pitts #8

Koramoah #10

Etienne #16

We take Lance at #19

One of my dudes Elijah Moore at #20

Mac Jones #21

Z.  Collins #23

N. Harris #28

I was able to watch Mond in the Orange Bowl. He was erratic and while his numbers do not look awful and they won, he left me wanting a lot more. All the passes were check down dink and dunks and the receivers(usually the RB's) had nice runs after the catch. I do not recall one impressive pass. He does have some mobility. 

While Ridder also left me wanting more after the Peach Bowl I would much rather go with him on his potential, increased improvement and mobility. He is still a guy I'd like at the top of the 3rd if no starter type is picked up earlier in the draft or via FA.

 

If WFT picked 19 and had an option of Lance, Moore, Jones, Collins and Harris that would be incredible.

My first choice is Collins especially if linebackers were ignored in FA

Second would be Lance on potential I guess. He scares me some. If Jones kicks butt Monday night I could persuaded to take him. I feel they have a vet signed by the draft 

WR and bigger RB can be had later even though I really enjoy watching Harris

[Koolblue13]

If that's what is left at 19, I'm definitely trying to get back into the first again.

[Skinsinparadise]

13 minutes ago, DWinzit said:

 

If WFT picked 19 and had an option of Lance, Moore, Jones, Collins and Harris that would be incredible.

My first choice is Collins especially if linebackers were ignored in FA

Second would be Lance on potential I guess. He scares me some. If Jones kicks butt Monday night I could persuaded to take him. I feel they have a vet signed by the draft 

WR and bigger RB can be had later even though I really enjoy watching Harris

 

I might be the biggest Elijah Moore fan on the board or top 2?    But 19 seems rich to me for him.   I'd take Lance at 19 if he were there.  I doubt he will be.    It's pretty common this early to have QBs further down in mocks then they end up going.  Too many NFL teams in need of a QB IMO for Lance to drop that far. if it were 2019, I could see it more because there weren't the same number of teams potentially looking.   I'd love Harris and Collins, too.  I agree that Lance is a roll of the dice.  But its tough to win without a QB.

Edited January 7, 2021 by Skinsinparadise

[KDawg]

If Fields falls beyond ten he needs to be traded up for immediately. Actually, before immediately.

 

There is NO shot. 

[HoggLife]

2 minutes ago, KDawg said:

If Fields falls beyond ten he needs to be traded up for immediately. Actually, before immediately.

 

There is NO shot. 

Agree and agree.

 

No way he makes it past 10. And if he does then ya trade up to get him. Right now hoping for Lance or Collins. Depending if we want to go Offense or Defense.  

Edited January 7, 2021 by HoggLife

[KDawg]

32 minutes ago, HoggLife said:

Agree and agree.

 

No way he makes it past 10. And if he does then ya trade up to get him. Right now hoping for Lance or Collins. Depending if we want to go Offense or Defense.  

I have a better chance of Kay Adams proposing to me. And I think she’s married and she has no idea who I am.

 

I don’t think he makes it beyond 2. 3 at worst. May be gone 1.

Edited January 7, 2021 by KDawg

[Skinsinparadise]

PFF Mock, just first 18 picks

 

1. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS — QB TREVOR LAWRENCE, CLEMSON

Feel free to turn in the card before April 29, Jacksonville. At the very least, please don’t use up the whole 10-minute clock.

2. NEW YORK JETS — QB ZACH WILSON, BYU

I already went in depth on the Zach Wilson versus Justin Fields (versus Sam Darnold) debate, and I’m sure everyone will have a calm, reasonable take on it. The discourse will surely continue to rage all the way until draft day. Even if this pick is traded, I can’t see it being anything other than a quarterback.

3. MIAMI DOLPHINS (FROM HOUSTON TEXANS) — OT PENEI SEWELL, OREGON

The discussion of what the Dolphins should do with this pick will carry on all spring. One thing is clear, though. Few quarterbacks — especially rookies — would succeed behind the Dolphins' offensive line in its current form. Sewell is this year’s version of Chase Young, just on the opposite side of the ball.

4. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS (FROM ATLANTA FALCONS) — QB JUSTIN FIELDS, OHIO STATE

There are a few reasons why I strongly believe the 49ers will be the team most likely to sell the farm for one of these quarterbacks. The first is that quarterback classes like this don’t come around every year. The 49ers are too good to truly bottom-out, and they end up in a position to take one here.

Also, head coach Kyle Shanahan has never had himself a true franchise guy since taking over for the 49ers, and we saw what he did with one in Atlanta. The final reason is that all of the top guys are mobile — an element we’ve seen take run games around the league to the next level. Shanahan created magic with RG3 as a rookie, and I believe he could do something similar with Fields.

5. CINCINNATI BENGALS — WR JA’MARR CHASE, LSU

No more Penei Sewell, but not all hope is lost. Chase was putting up over 1,700 yards against the top corners in college football as a 19-year-old. He’s every bit the prospect A.J. Green was a decade ago. The Bengals need to find some offensive line help in free agency so they don’t pigeonhole themselves into one on draft day.

6. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES — QB TREY LANCE, NORTH DAKOTA STATE

You don’t have to look much further than Jalen Hurts‘ benching in Week 17 to see the Eagles still need a quarterback. Debate the ethics of it all you want, but Hurts has not played nearly enough to be considered the “guy” going forward. Lance brings a similar athletic skill set but with a cannon for an arm that can open up the downfield passing game.

7. DETROIT LIONS — EDGE KWITY PAYE, MICHIGAN

While the Lions have some young pieces to build around defensively, they still don’t have one true difference-maker. Paye has the type of physical tools to be that guy. With 22 pressures in four games this season, he showed he’s much closer to realizing that potential than previously thought.

8. CAROLINA PANTHERS — LB MICAH PARSONS, PENN STATE

Panthers defensive coordinator Phil Snow took a lot of stuff from his time at Baylor and put it into action in the NFL. It means asking players to be versatile with their roles.

There may be no more versatile athlete defensively in this draft class than Parsons. He moves like a safety, has the size of a linebacker and rushes the passer like a defensive end. He earned 85.0-plus pass-rushing and run-defense grades in 2019 en route to a 91.6 overall mark.

 

9. DENVER BRONCOS — CB PATRICK SURTAIN, ALABAMA

A.J. Bouye could be a cap casualty next year, and even if not, he will miss the first two weeks next year due to suspension. Surtain is a long, smart cornerback who would fit in swimmingly with defensive coordinator Vic Fangio. He hasn’t allowed over 65 yards in any single game over the past two years.

10. DALLAS COWBOYS — CB CALEB FARLEY, VIRGINIA TECH

Farley is another opt-out and will have a chance to make himself a good deal of money with his performance at the combine. He'll likely test better than anyone else at the top of the cornerback class, and at 6-foot-2, 207 pounds, that will be hard to pass up for the Cowboys. Plus, we’ve already seen it on the football field, with Farley allowing a 26.8 passer rating into his coverage in 2019.

11. NEW YORK GIANTS — WR DEVONTA SMITH, ALABAMA

This stacked receiver class is once again likely to push some blue-chip talents down a bit like it did in 2020. That’s music to the Giants' ears, as they are desperately in need of a true No. 1-type receiver.

Smith certainly qualifies, as he’s carried the Alabama offense despite being without his three fellow first-round receivers. He has racked up over 1,200 receiving yards, including the third-most yards after the catch in the country.

12. ATLANTA FALCONS (FROM SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS) — TE KYLE PITTS, FLORIDA

This pick will depend on the next offensive coordinator, but after seeing how well Matt Ryan performed under Kyle Shanahan, I’d be surprised if the Falcons didn’t go back to that tree. In that case, a dynamic receiving weapon at tight end would be deadly in this offense. Pitts’ 96.2 grade this past season is the highest we’ve ever seen at the position.

13. LOS ANGELES CHARGERS — OT RASHAWN SLATER, NORTHWESTERN

The Chargers can’t risk Joe Burrow-ing their franchise quarterback. They tried their best with some of the offensive lines they threw out there early in the season, too. Slater has the athleticism and body type to play any position on the line, boasting a 90.0 grade as a left tackle in 2019 and 75.0-plus grades at right tackle in 2017 and 2018.

14. MINNESOTA VIKINGS — EDGE GREGORY ROUSSEAU, MIAMI (FL)

Rousseau is basically the dream prospect for what the Vikings have coveted at the defensive end position. He has uncoachable tools for days, but due to his opt-out, we didn’t get to see him take his dominance to the next level in 2020 like some others. That may make him underrated come draft time.

15. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS — QB MAC JONES, ALABAMA

This is another pick that will be the topic of much debate from now until draft day. It’s going to depend a whole lot on what the Patriots do at the quarterback position in free agency, as they have the fourth-most cap space of any team in the league as of now.

Jones plays an efficient and mistake-free brand of football that I could see appealing to Bill Belichick. He is one of just three college quarterbacks with 350-plus attempts and fewer than 10 turnover-worthy plays in 2020.

16. ARIZONA CARDINALS — WR JAYLEN WADDLE, ALABAMA

It truly is a shame we didn’t get to see more of Waddle in this Alabama offense. What he did in his first four games before breaking his ankle was nothing short of special. Waddle was averaging 19.2 yards per target. Not per catch — where he averaged 22.3 yards — but per target. No one could stay with him down the field.

17. LAS VEGAS RAIDERS — EDGE AZEEZ OJULARI, GEORGIA

While the Raiders have thrown a good deal of resources at their defensive line, they still finished 28th in team pass-rushing grade. They definitely don’t have a pure speed rushing threat on the roster like Ojulari, either. While they’d ideally add some interior help, as well, this isn’t quite the class to do it.

18. MIAMI DOLPHINS — LB JEREMIAH OWUSU-KORAMOAH, NOTRE DAME

This year’s Butkus Award winner, JOK was a consistent difference-maker on one of the best defenses in America. He flashes very modern linebacker traits, as the ROVER position he played at Notre Dame would oftentimes be called a slot cornerback in NFL defenses. That will fit in any scheme — especially a man-heavy one like the Dolphins. Owusu-Koramoah finished the 2020 campaign with 75.0-plus grades in run defense and coverage.

 

 

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-mock-draft-zach-wilson-new-york-jets-san-francisco-49ers-move-up-justin-fields

[Koolblue13]

That's a tease. Still have Collins and Harris there at our pick.

[skinsfan35yrs.]

5 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

In real time, I've watched him.  Really up and down QB.  Hard to get a handle on.  I haven't studied him yet.   Accuracy worries me some.    He has some mobility but not enough where I am intrigued as much as Ridder.  

 

 

 

On another note, I read McShay's new mock.  Some of what got my attention:

 

Devonta Smith #3

Wilson #4

Fields #15 then he goes he doubts he drops that far

Slater #5

Pitts #8

Koramoah #10

Etienne #16

We take Lance at #19

One of my dudes Elijah Moore at #20

Mac Jones #21

Z.  Collins #23

N. Harris #28

I have watched him these past few years (Aggie fan) and I am not sold on him at all. Now I don't profess to be a talent scout but as far as picking in the 1st round, no way. I also followed Zach Wilson at BYU, now he is much more of a Possibilty in my humble opinion 

 

[tmandoug1]

Nice to know we don't need to draft a tight end......

[skinsfan35yrs.]

On 1/6/2021 at 9:37 AM, Thinking Skins said:

Do we know if they're having a Senior Bowl this year or an East West Shrine game? If so, do we know who's getting invited and who is coaching and the dates for those? I'd be interested in the interviews and the scouting reports that come out of those. they are always interesting. 

 

So appareantly the Shrine Game was cancelled this year. 

https://www.shrinegame.com/press-releases/2021-eastwest-shrine-bowl-announces-allstar-select-2124

 

Here are the players though

https://www.shrinegame.com/players

 

The senior Bowl seems to still be happening (January 30, 2021)

Here's a list of the players: 

https://www.seniorbowl.com/accepted-invites/

 

And in particular, here are the QBs

Texas A&M	Kellen	Mond	QB
Texas	Sam	Ehlinger	QB
Notre Dame	Ian	Book	QB
Florida	Kyle	Trask	QB
Arkansas	Feleipe	Franks	QB
Wake Forest	Jamie	Newman	QB

I have watched Zach Wilson from BYU. Now I'm not professing to be a talent scout but he looked real good. Very few mistakes, sees the field well, lots of touchdowns passing and running. Appears to have a good head on his shoulders. If you know anything about him, What is your take?

[Koolblue13]

11 minutes ago, tmandoug1 said:

Nice to know we don't need to draft a tight end......

I think we absolutely do. I think Thomas success this year had as much to do with the need for the position as much as his skill set. Another weapon wouldn't hurt and we have nothing behind him.

[mhd24]

21 minutes ago, tmandoug1 said:

Nice to know we don't need to draft a tight end......

We don’t have an nfl caliber 2nd or 3rd TE.  It’s a HUGE need

[Riggo#44]

Just now, mhd24 said:

We don’t have an nfl caliber 2nd or 3rd TE.  It’s a HUGE need

But not until the 4th or 5th round, maybe some raw, athletic, can't-block-for-**** project. 

[KillBill26]

I'd go darrisaw in that scenario.

 

Rashawn slater intrigues me.  He is often listed at OT, but is known for versatility, and some believe he would be better on the interior.  Is he a jack of all trades, master of none?  Versatility is awesome to have, but reminds me of cam erving coming out, and he was on his 2nd team in no time.  As far as our needs go, if we aren't sold that slater can be a franchise LT, pass, and I'm not sure anyone will be able to say that with confidence by April.  But he did shut down young last year, not a small feat.

[Going Commando]

DeShaun Watson is unhappy in Houston.  For the love of God and all that is holy, please go and get him.  He is the answer to all of our problems.

4 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

I think we absolutely do. I think Thomas success this year had as much to do with the need for the position as much as his skill set. Another weapon wouldn't hurt and we have nothing behind him.

 

Agreed.  I don't trust his hands at all.  He's as likely to make the spectacular catch as he is to alligator arm it and watch it go sailing into the arms of the safety.  I like what he adds to the locker room, but I don't actually like the play on the field.  I don't think he's good and we could significantly benefit from an upgrade at the position.

[SemperFi Skins]

Even with Watson, wouldn't we be in the same position as Houston is now? Serious question.

 

They've had a good defense, have a great QB yet not much cap space and now no first round picks and many playoff exits...

 

What's the difference? We'd have to give up multiple first rounders and potentially some young building block players (I doubt Houston takes any less)

 

This coming from a guy who loves Watson but just curious. I'd love to have him here but not at the cost of our future. 

 

I also wonder about his agent, Mulugheta, who I believe was Haskins agent and didn't seem to be very fond of our front office.

Edited January 8, 2021 by SemperFi Skins

[Burgundy Yoda]

On 1/7/2021 at 5:27 AM, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

 

Yeah the first thing that struck me about Collins which I wrote about sometime back is for a dude his size he can really motor.  If he has a freakish combine I think it will almost guarantee he goes before our pick.  But he's a 260 pound LB who moves like a 225 one. 

 

 

 

 

I'm starting to get the same feeling, we'll see on draft day though. I think he'll probably be a top 12 prospect come draft day because I'm pretty sure he'll test well in all agility tests and the 40. He'll also probably interview well. 

[KDawg]

Watching the backs (I have a bunch to go)... Making one comment... I like CJ Verdell better than Chuba Hubbard. He is a power back combined with a receiving back. Without going into too much detail (I'll do that in my write up), my concern with Verdell... and its a very large one... is his durability. My next rankings aren't necessarily going to reflect the durability, though. It's going to be skill based. And Verdell has skill in spades. 

 

Also, I really like Kylin Hill in the pass game. He is adequate as a receiver but he is very good in pass pro. He isn't a stonewall guy. He's a get in the way guy. But he does get in the way. He is a good enough runner that he can function as an every down back and do a little of everything. He's a guy to keep an eye on. 

Edited January 8, 2021 by KDawg

[Ball Security]

Ridder heading back to school.

[KDawg]

3 minutes ago, Ball Security said:

Ridder heading back to school.

That’s an excellent move for him. He has a good base to build off and a good senior year will sky rocket his potential.

[OVCChairman]

was just coming to post that..

 

There goes my 3rd round sleeper pick to WFT. 

 

 

[KDawg]

6 minutes ago, OVCChairman said:

was just coming to post that..

 

There goes my 3rd round sleeper pick to WFT. 

 

 

Not with Sam Howell around, in my opinion. Rattler, too.

Edited January 8, 2021 by KDawg