2021 Comprehensive Draft Thread

[clskinsfan]

Yeah. I am not really high on Mills with our 2nd rounder. I would rather use one of the 3rd's on Newman or Mills if one is still there. We really need to go LB, OT or WR with our first two picks. Lucky that this draft is deep enough to just about guarantee that we get an impact player at one of those positions with both picks IMO. 

[RWJ]

29 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

WASHINGTON FOOTBALL TEAM: WR/TE, LB, OT

Washington entered free agency in dire need of receiving threats. Even with a top-25 receiver in terms of PFF grade on their hands — Terry McLaurin — in 2020, the team as a whole ranked dead last in receiving grade at the wide receiver and tight end positions. They picked up a dynamic WR in Curtis Samuel, who was actually teammates with McLaurin at Ohio State. Samuel had the best season of his NFL career in Joe Brady’s Carolina Panthers offense in 2020, posting a 77.0 PFF grade. He can win underneath, separate against single coverage when given the opportunity and — with the right quarterback — add value vertically with his speed.

Still, new quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick could use another pass-catching weapon for his arsenal. The good news is that this draft class is deep at wide receiver. Terrace Marshall Jr., Dyami Brown and Tylan Wallace would all make sense for Washington with their second-round selection.

 

 

 

 

 

To PFF's point above about WR.  Was listening to Keim's last podcast last night.  He said that WR still in play in the draft.  And he mentioned slot WR could still be in play in the draft because Samuel might be used as a movable chess piece, outside, inside, stacked next Terry, etc. 

 

Sounds like they want to get another playmaker at both TE and WR. 

TE is very much a must because all we have at TE that is good is Thomas plus Turner's O uses 2 TE sets at times.  

[Going Commando]

21 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

If I had to pick one dude as my guy after the first round at the TE spot it would be Brevin Jordan for reasons i've stated too many times.   I am just a sucker for TE who looks fluid in and out of their breaks especially in short yardage in the flat.  I saw him in mocks anywhere from the 2nd-4th.  I am higher on him than most.  I think he's a 2nd rounder and right in the range of our pick.  i'd be very surprised if he's still there in the late 3rd -- maybe with our earlier 3rd?

 

I love Jordan too.  I was intrigued going into the season and he won me over in the Louisville game.  He feels like Jordan Reed

 

I think Freiermuth is a legit BPA value pick at 51 and Jordan is pretty much there too.  I would guess most draft boards will have Freiermuth in the 40s or maybe 50s on the low end.  Jordan's range will be much more varied, but some will have him in the 40s too I think.  In my heart, I like Jordan better because of his speed and ability to consistently get open against man coverage, but my head knows Freiermuth is safer because of his size.  You get that ability to big boy DBs in the open field and you get the red zone target with Freiermuth.  It's the traditional H-Back and inline TE playmaking package with him, but he's not going to be as good split out wide as Jordan.  Jordan can do a handful of things at a special level, and if you can tailor his role to doing those things, then he can be really dynamic and reliable for you.  But I could see Freiermuth being a touchdown machine who brings a lot of value to your team in that way.

 

If we go a different direction in the second and either of these guys are still there towards the late second or early third, then I would go up and get them if I were in charge.  I think they are strong TE prospects in any class and that is huge bargain territory.  They check all of the boxes and project as significant passing game weapons.  I would actually be really aggressive in pursuing the top level of offensive skill talent in this class, especially at TE and RB.  I would be willing to trade 51 and one of the thirds to go up and get Etienne or Harris, and then trade the other third and the fourth to go up and get Jordan or Freiermuth.  Spend 19 on Cosmi and then snag a value WR in the fifth and feel that I have massively upgraded my offensive talent with a four player class, three of which could start as rookies.

 

I read your take on Yeboah and I actually like him.  He was my fourth TE in the class when I did my initial ranking, and this was my initial take: "Good size with excellent arm length.  Good ball skills.  Flashes threatening downfield ability.  Good build up speed for his size.  Little bit of after the catch wiggle too.  Willing blocker."

 

I'm lower on Hunter Long than the consensus.  I liked his toughness and that he has a history of production and was actually a featured player in his offense, and I like the size he brings to the table.  But I wasn't very impressed with his route running or athletic traits.  To my eye, he took forever to gear up or change directions and that his routes were wooden and lacked dynamism.  He was a pretty easy man coverage assignment who just didn't create a lot of space for his QB and thus had to do a lot of his winning on pure size.  And I didn't think his hands were that special either.  I kind of feel similar to him as I did about Trautman, where a lot of people loved him but I didn't think he was a good athlete.  And as you've noted, the best TEs are--to a man--great athletes for the position.  Long has way better long speed than Trautman did though, I think you're right about his open field speed.  I just think he lacks twitch and it takes him too long to build up to it.  I want to see what he runs at the BC pro day on Friday.  He could change my mind if he runs a good 40 because the size and the production are there with him.

 

McKitty wasn't really a part of the Georgia passing game this year.  Just a back end option, similar to Tremble.  But he showed out a little bit at the Senior Bowl and looked fast.  Did he work out at Georgia's Proday?  I can't find anything on him.

 

When you get time, you should check out Kylen Granson.  SMU's Proday is on Thursday and I'm curious to see how he runs and jumps.  He looks pretty fast and explosive, but he also plays tough and is physical for his size.

 

I think you might also like Cary Angeline from NC State as a potential seventh round red zone specialist.  He's an older prospect he's slow and he'll be limited by that speed.  But he's huge and he's got the hands and the feel for creating space against zones and widening passing lanes against man coverage that I wish Hunter Long demonstrated.  I think he makes an NFL roster given his level of finesse for his size.

[mhd24]

21 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

I love Jordan too.  I was intrigued going into the season and he won me over in the Louisville game.  He feels like Jordan Reed

 

I think Freiermuth is a legit BPA value pick at 51 and Jordan is pretty much there too.  I would guess most draft boards will have Freiermuth in the 40s or maybe 50s on the low end.  Jordan's range will be much more varied, but some will have him in the 40s too I think.  In my heart, I like Jordan better because of his speed and ability to consistently get open against man coverage, but my head knows Freiermuth is safer because of his size.  You get that ability to big boy DBs in the open field and you get the red zone target with Freiermuth.  It's the traditional H-Back and inline TE playmaking package with him, but he's not going to be as good split out wide as Jordan.  Jordan can do a handful of things at a special level, and if you can tailor his role to doing those things, then he can be really dynamic and reliable for you.  But I could see Freiermuth being a touchdown machine who brings a lot of value to your team in that way.

 

If we go a different direction in the second and either of these guys are still there towards the late second or early third, then I would go up and get them if I were in charge.  I think they are strong TE prospects in any class and that is huge bargain territory.  They check all of the boxes and project as significant passing game weapons.  I would actually be really aggressive in pursuing the top level of offensive skill talent in this class, especially at TE and RB.  I would be willing to trade 51 and one of the thirds to go up and get Etienne or Harris, and then trade the other third and the fourth to go up and get Jordan or Freiermuth.  Spend 19 on Cosmi and then snag a value WR in the fifth and feel that I have massively upgraded my offensive talent with a four player class, three of which could start as rookies.

 

I read your take on Yeboah and I actually like him.  He was my fourth TE in the class when I did my initial ranking, and this was my initial take: "Good size with excellent arm length.  Good ball skills.  Flashes threatening downfield ability.  Good build up speed for his size.  Little bit of after the catch wiggle too.  Willing blocker."

 

I'm lower on Hunter Long than the consensus.  I liked his toughness and that he has a history of production and was actually a featured player in his offense, and I like the size he brings to the table.  But I wasn't very impressed with his route running or athletic traits.  To my eye, he took forever to gear up or change directions and that his routes were wooden and lacked dynamism.  He was a pretty easy man coverage assignment who just didn't create a lot of space for his QB and thus had to do a lot of his winning on pure size.  And I didn't think his hands were that special either.  I kind of feel similar to him as I did about Trautman, where a lot of people loved him but I didn't think he was a good athlete.  And as you've noted, the best TEs are--to a man--great athletes for the position.  Long has way better long speed than Trautman did though, I think you're right about his open field speed.  I just think he lacks twitch and it takes him too long to build up to it.  I want to see what he runs at the BC pro day on Friday.  He could change my mind if he runs a good 40 because the size and the production are there with him.

 

McKitty wasn't really a part of the Georgia passing game this year.  Just a back end option, similar to Tremble.  But he showed out a little bit at the Senior Bowl and looked fast.  Did he work out at Georgia's Proday?  I can't find anything on him.

 

When you get time, you should check out Kylen Granson.  SMU's Proday is on Thursday and I'm curious to see how he runs and jumps.  He looks pretty fast and explosive, but he also plays tough and is physical for his size.

 

I think you might also like Cary Angeline from NC State as a potential seventh round red zone specialist.  He's an older prospect he's slow and he'll be limited by that speed.  But he's huge and he's got the hands and the feel for creating space against zones and widening passing lanes against man coverage that I wish Hunter Long demonstrated.  I think he makes an NFL roster given his level of finesse for his size.

 

How would you compare Jordan and Freiermuth with Cole Kmet (who was the 1st TE taken last year) at 43?

[Anselmheifer]

2 minutes ago, mhd24 said:

 

How would you compare Jordan and Freiermuth with Cole Kmet (who was the 1st TE taken last year) at 43?

I think both are better. I don’t think either of those guys should last to 51.

[Going Commando]

Did anyone ever figure out why all of the times out of the Pitt Proday were so horrible?  Judging just off of their testing numbers, Pitt ran one of the more fearsome defenses in the country with a bunch of DIII athletes.  There has to be something wrong with the way they were timing the drills right?  Were they all hungover or something?  It's weird.

 

This is why it sucks not having a combine to standardize these drills.  I always ****ed about it and didn't realize it's value until it's gone.  Relying on Prodays as a single data point for these measurables is just a mess.  On one hand you've got the Pitt prospects running into gale force winds and getting timed with an 80 year old stop watch, and then on the other you've apparently got the Georgia prospects running on those people movers at Hartsfield-Jackson.  There is no way to set a standard this year.

[clskinsfan]

Would take something like this:

 

• 
  19.
  Samuel Cosmi

  OT Texas
   
• 
  51.
  Terrace Marshall Jr.

  WR LSU
   
• 
  74.
  Pete Werner

  LB Ohio State
   
• 
  82.
  Davis Mills

  QB Stanford

[Going Commando]

6 minutes ago, mhd24 said:

 

How would you compare Jordan and Freiermuth with Cole Kmet (who was the 1st TE taken last year) at 43?

 

I think they're better prospects by a good margin.  Kmet had great size and decent production, but he was just not the athlete or receiver that these two are.  I think he was pretty average, and was significantly overdrafted last season due to the lack of any top end talent in the TE class.  Freiermuth is a natural and he's got better speed than Kmet did, and he was productive throughout his college career instead of just having a couple of big days against good competition.  He was on a star trajectory during his first two seasons, and I think he could have been a round one pick if he hadn't hurt his shoulder this year.  He wasn't going to win the Mackey or be TE1 over a unicorn like Pitts, but he could have been that guy in a regular class with a regular final season.  And Jordan is just unique.  He's essentially a huge running back playing the position, and is a rare type of weapon that can be a workhorse chain-mover for the right scheme.  He will create match up issues for linebackers and DBs in a way that Kmet can't.

[Koolblue13]

Mock draft simulators are so ridiculous.

[ILikeBilly]

Am I the only one that sometimes roots for us to pick players because of their last name?  I was really hoping Rambo would become a star.  What a great jersey to own.  How about Hooker.  Some want us to get him in free agency.  Picture the three young beauties sitting a row in front of you and all wearing Hooker jerseys.  Of course we need a TE this year.  Need a gift for your girl -  Buy her a Mckitty jersey.  I am sure there are others; a Marcus Washington jersey will always be in style.....

[Koolblue13]

26 minutes ago, ILikeBilly said:

Am I the only one that sometimes roots for us to pick players because of their last name?  I was really hoping Rambo would become a star.  What a great jersey to own.  How about Hooker.  Some want us to get him in free agency.  Picture the three young beauties sitting a row in front of you and all wearing Hooker jerseys.  Of course we need a TE this year.  Need a gift for your girl -  Buy her a Mckitty jersey.  I am sure there are others; a Marcus Washington jersey will always be in style.....

I would never draft a guy named Strugglesworth before the 5th round

[DWinzit]

26 minutes ago, ILikeBilly said:

Am I the only one that sometimes roots for us to pick players because of their last name?  I was really hoping Rambo would become a star.  What a great jersey to own.  How about Hooker.  Some want us to get him in free agency.  Picture the three young beauties sitting a row in front of you and all wearing Hooker jerseys.  Of course we need a TE this year.  Need a gift for your girl -  Buy her a Mckitty jersey.  I am sure there are others; a Marcus Washington jersey will always be in style.....

I know it is a first name but to have a MLB named Jamin...now I like that

[Koolblue13]

1 minute ago, DWinzit said:

I know it is a first name but to have a MLB named Jamin...now I like that

I was a big fan of crowder, because my names Jamison.

[Burgundy Yoda]

 

Man I don't think we need a WR but if Smith somehow falls into our laps because teams are concerned about his weight, how could we pass that gift up? 

[Skinsinparadise]

2 hours ago, RWJ said:

TE is very much a must because all we have at TE that is good is Thomas plus Turner's O uses 2 TE sets at times.  

 

Keim mentioned potentially 2 TEs and WR is still on the table including one who plays slot. 

[Warhead36]

Dang 170 that's like how much I weight LOL

[RWJ]

1 minute ago, Warhead36 said:

Dang 170 that's like how much I weight LOL

He'll never make it in the NFL that long, IMO. He needs more weight.  They'll break him in two when they eventually hit him and they will.

[UKskins]

1 hour ago, ILikeBilly said:

  I was really hoping Rambo would become a star. 

Named my cat after him as I thought he would make it. Mistake.

[Koolblue13]

20 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Dang 170 that's like how much I weight LOL

I'm 240 and I'm no linebacker

[Fresh8686]

 

[max21]

PFFs latest mock has us taking Moehrig at 19, that would be interesting.  

[Koolblue13]

10 minutes ago, max21 said:

PFFs latest mock has us taking Moehrig at 19, that would be interesting.  

I'm totally okay with that. Cox then at 51.

[The.Mad.Tyintist]

We need a to snag a TE in round 2 or 3 FOR SURE.

[Skinsinparadise]

4 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

I love Jordan too.  I was intrigued going into the season and he won me over in the Louisville game.  He feels like Jordan Reed

 

 

I like your RB description of him.  That's how he looks and feels to me.  Big time weapon in the flat and with the ball in his hands.  As I mentioned, he's an impressive interview too comes off like a smart dude/leader type.

 

4 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

I think Freiermuth is a legit BPA value pick at 51 and Jordan is pretty much there too.  I would guess most draft boards will have Freiermuth in the 40s or maybe 50s on the low end.  Jordan's range will be much more varied, but some will have him in the 40s too I think.  In my heart, I like Jordan better because of his speed and ability to consistently get open against man coverage, but my head knows Freiermuth is safer because of his size.  You get that ability to big boy DBs in the open field and you get the red zone target with Freiermuth.  It's the traditional H-Back and inline TE playmaking package with him, but he's not going to be as good split out wide as Jordan.  Jordan can do a handful of things at a special level, and if you can tailor his role to doing those things, then he can be really dynamic and reliable for you.  But I could see Freiermuth being a touchdown machine who brings a lot of value to your team in that way.

 

 

I was finally able to find a 2020 Freiermuth game.   I like him, don't love him but I like him enough to be happy if we got him.  Wow did Jahaan Dotson flash in that one.   Freiermuth moves well for a big dude.   Can run routes.  Plays in line or detached.  He can certainly block.  Moves well for a dude that size but he doesn't look fast, dynamic or quick but isn't slow either.  This dude isn't Brevin Jordan where it looks like he will make big YAC plays but he can steam roll guys with YAC.  He's more of a well rounded do everything type of TE.   With his size I agree, a good red zone threat.  He has good hands but not hands of glue in the games I watched which was two different games against Ohio State.  In the 2019 game against Ohio State, Chase Young was a wrecking ball.

 

4 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

I read your take on Yeboah and I actually like him.  He was my fourth TE in the class when I did my initial ranking, and this was my initial take: "Good size with excellent arm length.  Good ball skills.  Flashes threatening downfield ability.  Good build up speed for his size.  Little bit of after the catch wiggle too.  Willing blocker."

 

I'm lower on Hunter Long than the consensus.  I liked his toughness and that he has a history of production and was actually a featured player in his offense, and I like the size he brings to the table.  But I wasn't very impressed with his route running or athletic traits.  To my eye, he took forever to gear up or change directions and that his routes were wooden and lacked dynamism.  He was a pretty easy man coverage assignment who just didn't create a lot of space for his QB and thus had to do a lot of his winning on pure size.  And I didn't think his hands were that special either.  I kind of feel similar to him as I did about Trautman, where a lot of people loved him but I didn't think he was a good athlete.  And as you've noted, the best TEs are--to a man--great athletes for the position.  Long has way better long speed than Trautman did though, I think you're right about his open field speed.  I just think he lacks twitch and it takes him too long to build up to it.  I want to see what he runs at the BC pro day on Friday.  He could change my mind if he runs a good 40 because the size and the production are there with him.

 

 

 

Agree with you on Yeboah.  I said I think I like him over Long.  What made me pause saying it though was no mock draft type seems to agree with me on that so I was wondering if there is something I am missing.  But good to see you see it the same way.

 

I am dying to see the athletic traits for all of these TEs.  If Yeboah's numbers match what I believe as to his quickness, I'd become really high on him.   Old Miss in the games i watched didn't feature him much because their WRs were really good including of course my guy Elijah.    But he looks explosive for the typical TE.  And in the games I watched they left him back to block a lot and he's not bad at it.  So I think he can be a well rounded TE with high upside.

 

As for Long, he was one of my more confounding watches in my years of watching many TEs.  I like his long speed but not so much his quickness/short speed.  I am OK with his toughness as a blocker but don't like his toughness as for contested catches and YAC.    He can make some really nice catches but also have some frustrating drops.   Strikes me as a traditional up the seam type of weapon if he finds his stride in the NFL and will make some occasional big plays.

4 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

Granson

 

 Thanks, I'll check out Granson and Angeline.   I am dying to see all of the TE pro days.  it will effect my opinion on some of them for better or worse.

[RWJ]

21 minutes ago, The.Mad.Tyintist said:

We need a to snag a TE in round 2 or 3 FOR SURE.

Hunter Long in the 2nd or if we are fortunate enough 3rd round.  Think he ends up being the best all around TE of the class.