BBC: China pneumonia outbreak: COVID-19 Global Pandemic

[Larry]

46 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

I agree.

 

If the data coming out of China now is to be believed, it took draconian measures to get there. That population is used to it, though.  

 

Was just reflecting, about the urge to contrast the response in China vs here.  

 

Yes, some of the actions China took, were aided by being a dictatorship.  Somne of the things they did, we can't do.  Things like building two, 2,000 bed, hospitals, in three weeks.  I think they doubled the number of health care workers in Wuhan, in those same three weeks.  just ordered health care workers from elsewhere to go there, and work.  Ordering the entire city to stay in their rooms.  I read that 15 million Chinese had meals delivered daily to their doors, for sis weeks, to keep them inside.  The government simply ordered that all workers would receive their full salaries for the duration.  

 

But, China also had another advantage that we don't have.  

 

The virus only hit one city.  

 

They could double the number of health care workers in Wuhan, because they could strip workers from the rest of the country.  The rest of the country kept their factories working.  So the shut down Wuhan could get supplies from uninfected China.  

 

We can't just order 400 ER doctors to head for NYC.  Because we don't have any virus-free place to get the doctors from.  

 

So, while I don't have any trouble at all believing that Trump's actions for the last few months have probably caused the death toll to be 5-10 times higher than it could have been, I have to point out that no, we couldn't simply do what China did, either.  

 

(I'll also point out - we had an advantage that China didn't have, too.  We had the ability to see what was happening in China.  in Italy.  We had more warning than they had, and the ability to look at places that were weeks ahead of us, as predictors.)

Edited March 20, 2020 by Larry

[FuriousD]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said:

 

Well I guess it's less stressful for me because I know I can't reach my sister or mother (they're both in Miami). Thankfully I have plenty of family down there to look out for them but I can't say I'm not antsy at times thinking about them.

My daughter is living in Manchester, England, my son is stationed at Ali Al Salem air base in Kuwait and my wife is in purgatory right now.  Trying to keep her spirits up is half the battle knowing the worst is yet to come and there's not a damn thing to be done about it.  Fun times!

[max21]

[bcl05]

 

I'm a geneticist.  Good luck to anyone I have to intubate.  It won't go well...

[Cooked Crack]

 

Edited March 20, 2020 by Cooked Crack

[visionary]

 

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

53 minutes ago, just654 said:

Can I ask what department is HLS? Are you talking about DHS?

Yeah, typo.  He deals with immigration records, so he’s not directly related to this in any way and merely said he was preparing for that based on conversations he was privy to.

 

edit: On another note, some folks on social media freaking out about the national guard posting up heavily in different cities, but it sounds like they are setting up Covid19 testing stations.

Edited March 20, 2020 by BatteredFanSyndrome

[visionary]

 

[visionary]

 

[Renegade7]

21 minutes ago, Larry said:

 

We can't just order 400 ER doctors to head for NYC.  Because we don't have any virus-free place to get the doctors from.  

 

So, while I don't have any trouble at all believing that Trump's actions for the last few months have probably caused the death toll to be 5-10 times higher than it could have been, I have to point out that no, we couldn't simply do what China did, either.  

 

 

A lot of good points here. 

 

I don't know if China had enough people that qualified to either be brought back to medical service or in close enough fields like we do.  Just, before it was in States it wasn't even in any cities here yet that we knew of. The mechanism to lockdown the entire country by force is already here with martial law without even crossing into dictatorship, let alone Seattle.

 

I'm not convinced we couldn't of shut down our car factories to make ventilators earlier because we had advantage of seeing what was happening in other countries. I still don't understand why China had to make hospitals or why we can't just use our public schools instead.

 

All this second guessing and what-if'ing makes me wonder what the 9/11-Commission level investigation report will look like.  And how many waited as long as possible to do what could've been done to prevent what we could or will have to do, and most importantly: why.

[Dan T.]

 

[visionary]

 

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/coronavirus-maps.html

These numbers here seem somewhat behind, especially in Italy's case, but does let us see how it is going around the world.

Edited March 20, 2020 by visionary

[Renegade7]

One thing I want to point out is as bad as the rot in executive branch got, so many states are showing they aren't nearly as dysfunction.  

 

That post from Michigan makes me wonder if they will continuing waiting or just eventually get Feds blessing and just start doing it.  Part of the slow response was states waiting for the feds, makes you wonder if states took the lead from the get-go. 

 

Not ideal, I prefer a strong federal government, but encouraging what we are getting done without one.

[twa]

4 hours ago, Fresh8686 said:

Are these doctors checking industrial companies and supplier for N95 masks? Drywall guys, concrete, etc all have to use n95 masks to protect against the inhalation of silica and other harmful particles. They should have some to spare to our medical people.

 

there were regulations preventing the purchase outside of from approved medical suppliers

 

fwih they removed that and a few others preventing their use,,,,,such as language labeling requirements

[tshile]

Honestly, yeah we can’t order 400 nurses to nyc like china

 

we also don’t have to. A simply federal request will yield that. Cause that’s the type of people we are

 

but you need competent people to recognize the need and the option

Imagine if the United States healthcare ha 1/5 the ability to mobilize and effectively gain control as the military

 

[Fergasun]

My county (SoCal) has stopped counting up number of people tested... but we are seeing how many are infected.  That number better stabilize, because everyone has been quarantined.... 

 

Except when we all go shopping because we need food and TP.

 

Was just told by Mrs. Fergasun that she's more worried about the gun sales combined with panic.

[daveakl]

5 minutes ago, tshile said:

Honestly, yeah we can’t order 400 nurses to nyc like china

 

we also don’t have to. A simply federal request will yield that. Cause that’s the type of people we are

 

but you need competent people to recognize the need and the option

4,400

 

Currently, the MC consists of over 4,400 active duty physicians representing all the specialties and subspecialties of civilian medicine. They may be assigned to fixed military medical facilities, to deployable combat units or to military medical research and development duties.

 

4500 active duty physicians are employed by the Army; 4000 by the Navy; and approximately 3500 by the Air Force.

Edited March 20, 2020 by daveakl

[visionary]

I always see numbers of dead and people who have been confirmed to have the CV, but it would be helpful but frightening to see consistent numbers of those who have been hospitalized for it.

Edited March 20, 2020 by visionary

[tshile]

44 minutes ago, daveakl said:

4,400

 

 

I meant civilians but yeah I forgot about them and didn’t know the numbers

39 minutes ago, visionary said:

I always see numbers of dead and people who have been confirmed to have the CV, but it would be helpful but frightening to see consistent numbers of those who have been hospitalized for it.

And broken down at least to break out icu patients

 

 

[Califan007 The Constipated]

 

[bcl05]

 

This is a makeshift ward set up in a parking garage at a hospital where I used to work...  Get ready for chaos.

 

 

[visionary]

 

 

 

STATE	CASES	DEATHS
New York	7,102	35
Washington	1,393	85
California	1,195	23
New Jersey	897	9
Illinois	584	5
Florida	567	10
Michigan	548	3
Louisiana	521	14
Georgia	485	13
Massachusetts	413	1
Colorado	364	3
Texas	305	4
Pennsylvania	269	1
Wisconsin	206	3
Connecticut	194	1
Tennessee	175	0
Ohio	169	1
Maryland	150	2
North Carolina	144	0
South Carolina	126	3
Minnesota	115	0
Virginia	115	2
Oregon	114	3
Nevada	109	2
Alabama	106	0
Arkansas	100	0
Utah	80	0
Mississippi	80	0
Indiana	79	3
District of Columbia	71	1
Arizona	64	0
Kentucky	63	2
Maine	57	0
New Hampshire	55	0
Missouri	53	3
Nebraska	50	0
Oklahoma	49	1
Kansas	48	1
Iowa	45	0
Rhode Island	44	0
New Mexico	43	0
Delaware	39	0
Hawaii	37	0
Idaho	31	0
Vermont	29	2
North Dakota	27	0
Wyoming	20	0
Montana	15	0
South Dakota	14	1
Puerto Rico	14	0
Guam	14	0
Alaska	12	0
West Virginia	8	0
Virgin Islands	3	0

[HOF44]

8 minutes ago, bcl05 said:

 

 

This is a makeshift ward set up in a parking garage at a hospital where I used to work...  Get ready for chaos.

 

 

What city is this?

[skinfan2k]

3 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

I’ve also heard from a family member that is a director for HLS that there is a lot of talk amongst the higher-ups of a nationwide lockdown.  That was on Tuesday of this week. He said within a week.  
 

I saw some photos from Baltimore today of an abundance of national guard vehicles posted up downtown.  
 

Hard to say what is BS and what is not.

there is no such thing as HLS lol.  national guard vehicles were in baltimore because they were driving to fedex to set up a testing center there.  holy **** you post some bad info. 

[visionary]

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