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48 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

 

Go read the twitter posts that @The Evil Genius made in the Fixing The Republican Party thread by the Washington state legislator.  And read the threads below them.  Still sticking with your predictions?

 

EDIT:  Why did they get rid of the post numbers?  It made it so much easier to refer to a specific post.  And I don't know how to quote a post in a different thread.

Yep, they are in the talking phase of your apocalyptic prediction in this country, compared to other countries who are actually doing it.  We look like spoiled little b*tches compared to other countries where polling station get bombed or election results get flat out ignored, candidate just disappearing or getting killed.

 

And i never said our election system was perfect, its verifiable, been used for peaceful transition for over 200 years, with a voting bill waiting in congress to make Election Day a holiday.  The closest recent example of someone going toobfar to outright steal an election was in north Carolina, they caught it and working it out. Dems need to just keep winning elections.

 

As for that guy in Washington, i don't know what's taking so long to address that.  But their have been pieces about how even if millennials that support socialism have some of the most vocal doesn't mean they make up the largest part of the party.

 

I cutting and pasting it for you since you asked.

 

10 hours ago, The Evil Genius said:

Here's an option, get rid of this cancer (this isn't a single instance, it's a common theme now) that has infected conservatism.

 

 

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Seems like another interesting time to bump this thread.

 

Ignoring for a moment what is going on in the rest of the world (middle east **** show, Turkey/Syria, Brexit, etc), take a look around at our country.  I'm seeing further and further divide and far less tolerence for each other (which I can certainly understand the lack of tolerence for Trumpers).  So no matter who ends up winning the presidency or any other elected office, what will happen to our society?  Can anyone think of a world in which we would begin to come back together?

 

Whether Democrat or Trump, impeached or not, full or split control of congress, will be heal as a nation?  What will it take?  Do you think it'll actually happen?  And what will happen leading up to that point?

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very major natural disaster or war would do it, maybe.

 

I think the split overrated/magnified by political junkies and media braying....not even as bad as the 70's yet.

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Something I find interesting is all this talk of "civil war" is primarily coming from one side.  Trump impeached? Civil War.  Hillary wins in 2016? 2nd Amendment solution.  I know this kind of talk isn't coming from the majority or even most on the right, but for those who are talking like this, have they ever looked in the mirror and thought their eagerness to shoot their own fellow citizens might be a problem?

 

Was the left calling for a civil war when Obama was being demonized for wearing a tan suit, or the wrong kind of mustard on his hot dog, forgetting to wear a flag lapel pin? etc etc etc?  

 

At this point my curiosity more leans towards what comes post-Trump whether it is 2020 or 2024. I want to see if his tenure in the white house will be seen as an aberration or "just how things are now"  Also, if a Democrat wins, will the left side of the aisle be as willing to accept  as much lawlessness from the office that they couldn't take while Trump was in there. 

 

The biggest threat for me that Trump poses besides in the present, is what precedent it sets for the future. Unless the GOP cleans it's own house and quick, what will they be left with after having to appeal to the craziest of crazies.  They have given those folks a seat at the table, how do you go back from that? 

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buzz, as an individual and the way you represent your conservative leanings, you're an example for some of the reasons i keep working at properly applying accountability (in all matters of concern) to goperdom at large while trying to leave exit doors for all decent gopers or suggest "conservatism" is some fundamentally "bad path" in governance/society 

 

there's a lot of policy-based structural and operational  pros and to all sorts of liberal and conservative policies/ideas....but the gopers i used to hold in very high regard as intelligent and relatively (for humans) decent (moral/ethical) political figures have increasingly become fewer and much farther in between and the number of those who garner only the harshest thoughts have multiplied every decade of life and, with zero help from the rooskies, has culminated with trumpco and his yuge fervent support and left me with a very severe outlook for the gop as an org now overall

 

the dems suck a lot and there's a lot more nuance of course to all this, but i am in a mode where "republican" (not 'conservative') is such a ****ted up barnd that i wish the never-trumpers could make a new name for it, or the party somehow do some hard to imagine major reversals over the next couple years, starting with getting rid of all things trumpish 

 

twa posted while i was doing my version of typing and i agree that, minus the mass shooting events, in terms of more widespread large-scale social violence, it's not yet looking to get as bad as the 60's/70's as i've said before (and i was really "there" in the midst of that stuff)

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13 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

Something I find interesting is all this talk of "civil war" is primarily coming from one side.  Trump impeached? Civil War.  Hillary wins in 2016? 2nd Amendment solution.  I know this kind of talk isn't coming from the majority or even most on the right, but for those who are talking like this, have they ever looked in the mirror and thought their eagerness to shoot their own fellow citizens might be a problem?

 

Was the left calling for a civil war when Obama was being demonized for wearing a tan suit, or the wrong kind of mustard on his hot dog, forgetting to wear a flag lapel pin? etc etc etc?  

To be clear I wasn't calling for civil war or even suggesting it would happen.  I've seen a few of the crazy-right people suggest it but that's mostly it.

 

15 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

They have given those folks a seat at the table, how do you go back from that? 

Excellent question.  That's part of what I'm asking.  Will the right-wing (and the few left-wing) nut jobs go back to their holes?  I doubt it.  So how will they be handled?  Especially looking at trumps approval ratings, you know there is more than just a few.  So how do we "heal" that divide?  Or is it even possible?

 

9 minutes ago, Jumbo said:

buzz, as an individual and the way you represent your conservative leanings, you're an example for some of the reasons i keep working at properly applying accountability (in all matters of concern) to goperdom at large while trying to leave exit doors projecting thoughts like "conservatism" is fundamentally or totally a "bad path" in society at all

Thank you.

 

10 minutes ago, Jumbo said:

twa posted while i was doing my version of typing and i agree that, minus the mass shooting events, in terms of more widespread large-scale social violence, it's not yet looking to get as bad as the 60's/70's as i've said before (and i was really "there" in the midst of that stuff)

I see one huge difference between the 60's/70's and now..........the internet.  It is a lot easier for the Alex Jones types and worse to gain a lot of followers and get them riled up.  Imagine if someone like him (or Trump himself) said something to the effect of "the liberals stole _________, go kill them".  Hell, you already have people attacking and mailing bombs to journalists and such.  Do you think their craziness will stop there, especially when their "king" is telling them how he has been overthrown and his people need to fight back?

 

FTR, I don't see a civil war coming, at least not in the blue vs grey sense.  But I just don't see our country healing without some blood shed.  If anyone thinks I'm wrong, explain how you think it will happen.

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what's frightening is i have no doubt we could take a tailgate mix of twa, buzz, burgold, larry, lsf, spjunkies, llevron, techboy, bang, sisko, mary, and no excuses and have a better running gov't (as crazy as it'd be) then with the current group 

 

it would certainly be more moral and ethical by quite the margin

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28 minutes ago, Jumbo said:

what's frightening is i have no doubt we could take a tailgate mix of twa, buzz, burgold, larry, lsf, spjunkies, llevron, techboy, bang, sisko, mary, and no excuses and have a better running gov't (as crazy as it'd be) then with the current group 

 

it would certainly be more moral and ethical by quite the margin

 

Hey!  You left out a name!

 

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All the madness is simply more visible beacuse of the web. Online discourse between us all sucks because it's relatively new and society is fine tuning its etiquette, norms, etc. Toxic elements will get worked/filtered out.  More will come to realize the amplified voices of the fringes are just amplified, not multiplying. A real civil war in our country would require massive, unified factions - with a shared threat - willing to fight against that threat with no viable resolution besides bloodshed. I just cant fathom that happening in our society. Maybe I'm naive?

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19 minutes ago, hailer21 said:

All the madness is simply more visible beacuse of the web. Online discourse between us all sucks because it's relatively new and society is fine tuning its etiquette, norms, etc. Toxic elements will get worked/filtered out.  More will come to realize the amplified voices of the fringes are just amplified, not multiplying. A real civil war in our country would require massive, unified factions - with a shared threat - willing to fight against that threat with no viable resolution besides bloodshed. I just cant fathom that happening in our society. Maybe I'm naive?

it is much more than that..  this is not something that has always been and is just amplified.
The amplification is being done by our enemies through a highly dedicated effort to destabilize the country through lies and propaganda.
It's working.

It's not naive.. it's that a lot of us are so secure in our nation that we can't believe that this has actually happened, and it has. 

we have been attacked repeatedly, and they are winning.

 

war does not require massive factions to begin.

It only requires the right push and effective propaganda, and those factions will form. And they are.

 

right now the President is fanning the flames, and he has called upon HIS factions more than once with his dog whistles of violence. At least a half dozen times to my recollection he has stated he should be president permanently, and they WILL back it. 
They have taken heed and acted. Domestic terrorism is through the roof, white supremacy gro.. **** it, NAZIS are out in the open now.

Violence is happening. 

I'd like to believe that once it happens on a grander scale, most of us will wake up to it.

But it won't be everyone, and those who stick with it.. they will have to be put down violently.

 

~Bang

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1 hour ago, Jumbo said:

what's frightening is i have no doubt we could take a tailgate mix of twa, buzz, burgold, larry, lsf, spjunkies, llevron, techboy, bang, sisko, mary, and no excuses and have a better running gov't (as crazy as it'd be) then with the current group 

Or we could just make life simple & submit to the Jumbocracy.

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1 hour ago, Jumbo said:

what's frightening is i have no doubt we could take a tailgate mix of twa, buzz, burgold, larry, lsf, spjunkies, llevron, techboy, bang, sisko, mary, and no excuses and have a better running gov't (as crazy as it'd be) then with the current group 

 

it would certainly be more moral and ethical by quite the margin

 

I accept.

can i be the Headsman?

 

~Chop

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god damnit i've made a committment to being more positive but i was bored and wound up here so here it is

 

currently i'm less concerned about a civil war. most people don't have the balls to intervene when someone is being beaten. hell most people don't have the balls to stand up for themselves. you think they're ready for a civil war? hah.

 

i'm much more concerned about the 5-30 people that exist that might be swayed by whatever trump is going to turn the 2020 election into (because make no mistake about it, he's not going down swinging, he's going down trying to burn down everything around him; everything) to do something like detonate bombs in public places, commit a mass shooting, hijack a plane, whatever. something that causes hundreds to thousands of people to die or be seriously injured.

 

not to minimize the islamic terrorist threat, but at the moment the domestic terrorist (the white male trump supporter that's willing to kill people) seems like a significantly more seriously threat. and i consider the islamic terrorist threat to be a very serious threat itself. i don't read any of the places on the internet many of you do (that you always reference and claim you read so you know what's going on) so maybe i'm exaggerating a lot, but it's a gut feel. i've made a good living over 30+ years on that gut and its feelings. we'll see.

 

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