Miami Herald: I’m done trying to understand Trump supporters. Why don’t they try to understand me?

[Zguy28]

Looks like they found and arrested the woman who beat that 91 year old man with a brick and told him to go back to Mexico. No hate crime charges though.

 

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/national/2018/07/11/woman-arrested-brick-beating-91-year-old-hispanic-man-los-angeles/775683002/

 

The article says " The Sheriff's Department says the motive remains unknown. "

 

Seems pretty clear what it was.

 

 

[LD0506]

 

[Llevron]

3 hours ago, Zguy28 said:

 

Seems pretty clear what it was.

 

I mean she said why she was doing it when she was assaulting my man. The fact that they are ignoring it now should tell you something. I hate to be this dude but if she was a white guy, in 2018, it would have been an obvious hate crime. 

 

But then I wonder if maybe they think shes just ****ing insane, like a white guy in 2016, instead of just a racist. I dunno. I cant call it. But if you ask me she should be charged with a hate crime. 

 

 

Edited July 17, 2018 by Llevron

[Cooked Crack]

3 hours ago, Zguy28 said:

Looks like they found and arrested the woman who beat that 91 year old man with a brick and told him to go back to Mexico. No hate crime charges though.

 

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/national/2018/07/11/woman-arrested-brick-beating-91-year-old-hispanic-man-los-angeles/775683002/

 

The article says " The Sheriff's Department says the motive remains unknown. "

 

Seems pretty clear what it was.

Hopefully they get the other assailants. Throw the book at these aholes.

[Riggo-toni]

[LD0506]

[AsburySkinsFan]

Want a good look inside? Seriously?

This mirrors my experience almost to a T.

The people we are disagreeing with are genuinely sincere, they just happen to be sincerely wrong.

 

[nonniey]

Almost fell out of my chair reading this because it is from the Guardian. This piece focuses on Trump voters but echos what I've been telling you guys for months about being your own worst enemies.

 

 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/23/liberals-donald-trump-support

 

"......

     Democrats have done nothing since Trump’s election to reduce these feelings. On issue after issue the Democratic party has moved to the left, catering to a progressive base outraged at Trump’s election and seething at how the Democratic establishment foisted a fatally flawed candidate upon them. The latest progressive cause célèbre is for eliminating America’s border enforcement agency, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice). One can be outraged at how Trump is enforcing America’s immigration laws without thinking that eliminating all border enforcement is a good idea. An idea like this keeps Republicans united in their support for Trump as it clearly shows how unacceptable the alternative is.

     The news media’s behavior also keeps Republicans in line. It is impossible to overstate the degree of daily vituperation visited upon the president in the media. Comics and actors use their non-political programs to attack him, often to the implicit applause of the press. Virtually all coverage outside the conservative Fox News and isolated conservative outlets is negative, often couched in highly hostile terms. Virtually all of the columnists at the New York Times and the Washington Post, America’s two most respected dailies, despise Trump – and that includes nearly all of the conservative, libertarian and Republican columnists too. Trump supporters who follow news at all cannot escape the daily blast of negativity. 

     This has, predictably, hardened the attitudes of many Trump supporters. As minor issues are blown up into major catastrophes, it’s not surprising that potentially major issues like Trump’s embarrassing and obsequious behavior towards Russian president Vladimir Putin in Helsinki get overlooked. It’s “boy who cried wolf” syndrome writ large; when the media cries “wolf” at every passing shadow, many Trump backers simply don’t believe them when they say that a wolf might actually be coming......"

 

 

 

[Hersh]

9 minutes ago, nonniey said:

Almost fell out of my chair reading this because it is from the Guardian. This piece focuses on Trump voters but echos what I've been telling you guys for months about being your own worst enemies.

 

 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/23/liberals-donald-trump-support

 

Wow, someone shares the same wrong opinion as you. That's great. Is the GOP getting bigger or smaller? 

[scruffylookin]

You’ve missed the point, we do not care what the morons who support Trump still “think” (I use that word generously). 

 

They are unreachable. 

 

This laughable mantra that Democrats need to stop veering “left” otherwise they alienate the buffoons who support Trump is utter garbage. 

 

President Obama governed as a centrist. He tried working with Congress. He settled on a REPUBLICAN healthcare reform plan and yet he still was accused of being a commie socialist. 

 

He got two years before everything was shutdown. No negotiations. No compromises. The republicans refused to work with him. They just questioned his citizenship, his loyalty and worked to block him at every turn in anyway including blocking a Supreme Court nominee. 

 

You think we believe for one second that trumpers are going to work with anyone with a D next to their name? Be they Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren?

 

These sick people are lost. They need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century. 

 

Democrats have the votes to win any and every national election. They just need them to turn out. 

 

Trying to appeal to the deplorables is not only unnecessary, it is repugnant. 

 

They represent everything we are against. 

[CousinsCowgirl84]

Trump didn’t win by a lot. He barely won. Democrats don’t need to convince his voters hes a fool. They need to convince their voters he is dangerous. They need to convince their voters to go to the polls. That’s it.

 

 

Edited July 24, 2018 by CousinsCowgirl84

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

1 hour ago, nonniey said:

The latest progressive cause célèbre is for eliminating America’s border enforcement agency, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice). One can be outraged at how Trump is enforcing America’s immigration laws without thinking that eliminating all border enforcement is a good idea.

Should I point out that ICE is not "all border enforcement" and in fact, is not intended to be border enforcement at all?

[nonniey]

3 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

Should I point out that ICE is not "all border enforcement" and in fact, is not intended to be border enforcement at all?

Well the Guardian is a leftist British pub so could give them a little leeway on that but it's the still idea of eliminating ICE he sees as a political loser.

23 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

Trump didn’t win by a lot. He barely won. Democrats don’t need to convince his voters hes a fool. They need to convince their voters he is dangerous. They need to convince their voters to go to the polls. That’s it.

 

 

Problem is and the article pointed this out as well is the Democrats aren't convincing people he is dangerous they are convincing people that they are dangerous.

Edited July 24, 2018 by nonniey

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

41 minutes ago, nonniey said:

Well the Guardian is a leftist British pub so could give them a little leeway on that but it's the still idea of eliminating ICE he sees as a political loser.

Yeah, but it's like "on issue after issue, the dems move to the left but I have no idea what I'm talking about on the only issue I bring up sooooo..." Dems also don't want to get rid of the functions of ICE, they want to reassign them. Senior officials within the organization have also suggested that reorganization is necessary.

 

That's not to absolve Dems of any blame regarding our current cluster**** and you're right that the whole "Abolish ICE" thing is political grandstanding. Quite frankly, both sides share in the blame of turning our immigration system into an absolute **** show.

 

That being said, nobody on the left should be listening to criticism that is very clearly lacking in understanding or objectivity.  It's like, look at what the left is doing now! I have no idea what the left is doing now! I just hate the left. Let's spend all our time criticizing the left over stuff that I don't actually care about because if I did, I wouldn't support the party I do... you know, the one who has multiple Nazis on the ballot and helps Russia attack our country. Sure do hate those libs though.

Edited July 24, 2018 by Sacks 'n' Stuff

[Hersh]

13 minutes ago, nonniey said:

Well the Guardian is a leftist British pub so could give them a little leeway on that but it's the still idea of eliminating ICE he sees as a political loser.

Problem is and the article pointed this out as well is the Democrats aren't convincing people he is dangerous they are convincing people that they are dangerous.

 

That is complete and utter nonsense. There isn’t a single person that suddenly thinks Dems are dangerous based on anything Trump related that wasn’t already crazy. And yes, anyone who thinks Dems are dangerous is crazy.

 

[EBoz]

38 minutes ago, Hersh said:

 

That is complete and utter nonsense. There isn’t a single person that suddenly thinks Dems are dangerous based on anything Trump related that wasn’t already crazy. And yes, anyone who thinks Dems are dangerous is crazy.

 

Some of the things I read on here are mind boggling. 

 

There is is no coincidence that all the cities listed below are failures and are tied to the Democrats. 

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/how-decades-of-democratic-rule-ruined-some-of-our-finest-cities/

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 24, 2018 by EBoz

[Hersh]

6 hours ago, EBoz said:

Some of the things I read on here are mind boggling. 

 

There is is no coincidence that all the cities listed below are failures and are tied to the Democrats. 

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/how-decades-of-democratic-rule-ruined-some-of-our-finest-cities/

 

 

 

 

 

 

Look up the definition of irony. 

  

Edited July 24, 2018 by Hersh

[Bang]

It is just sad to think people believe that the Trump voter WILL change.

Absolutely nothing should tell anyone that is possible.

 

They have been told the democrats are not just dangerous, but the enemy of America for more than 20 years. And they have now been told that by the US President on foreign soil next to the Russian president, the longest standing enemy this country has ever had.

There is nothing at all coming from their propaganda that indicates any of them will ever listen to anything from any side but their own.  There is nothing coming from ANY of their leadership to indicate ANY of them are willing to work with anyone on anything outside of their own group and their own interests.
 

There isn't going to be any coming together with that group. They are perfectly happy with everything going on, they think it's utterly hysterical in fact.. and they will blame the democrats no matter what happens, and the perfect case in point is how easily all of them have swallowed the President's repeated use of Hillary and Obama as scapegoats for everything HE has done wrong. They happily accept it and believe it 100000% Every single time. (Nowadays conservatives try to convince everyone it's not even their FAULT that he got elected. **** that and **** them. Insults to intelligence.)
that fat **** stood in front of Putin and trashed his own country, and the Patriotic right APPLAUDED HIM and have THANKED the Russians for sabotaging that which makes us a sovereign nation. This group thinks Russia is their friend, and Americans are their enemy.

 

There is no reasoning with the unreasonable, and after watching how the GOP and it's sycophantic following have ignored reason and shut out truth for 20 years you'd have to be an utter idiot to think there is. This group isn't smart enough to self reflect, to change anything. I don't care how many articles anyone writes about how people blowing the whistles on treason, unbelievable grift and the disastrous foreign policies are somehow the reason these people won't change their minds.
**** that ****. Straight stupidity. If you need to be convinced,,  or better, if the alarm people are raising about what is ACTUALLY happening is enough to make you vote for Trump again (or against anyone with the same result) then you are simply too far down the hole. Period. There is no reasoning with a person like that. The sooner people recognize that, the faster we can get this **** over with.

 

~Bang

 

Edited July 24, 2018 by Bang

[LD0506]

7 minutes ago, Bang said:

There is no reasoning with the unreasonable, and after watching how the GOP and it's sycophantic following have ignored reason and shut out truth for 20 years you'd have to be an utter idiot to think there is. This group isn't smart enough to self reflect, to change anything. I don't care how many articles anyone writes about how people blowing the whistles on treason, unbelievable grift and the disastrous foreign policies are somehow the reason these people won't change their minds.
**** that ****. Straight stupidity. If you need to be convinced,,  or better, if the alarm people are raising about what is ACTUALLY happening is enough to make you vote for Trump again (or against anyone with the same result) then you are simply too far down the hole. Period. There is no reasoning with a person like that. The sooner people recognize that, the faster we can get this **** over with.

 

Oh you silver tongued debbil you

 

Here's where I'm at, if what you just stated is in fact accurate, what's the logical conclusion for where that leads? We have this increasingly self-isolated, defiant demographic that is declaring their intention to tear down the vast majority of the societal structure of the country. I honestly do not believe that is hyperbole. Roe v Wade is just a start, look around some of the seamier parts of the web, Brown v Board of Education is in the discussion. The 19th Amendment is in the conversation. Hell, I'm pretty sure that if I could control my gag reflex enough I could find the ****ing Emancipation Proclamation in conversation.

 

And they are 100% OK with achieving their ends by any means necessary, by voter disenfranchisement or hostile foreign intervention or seemingly (in their twisted little minds) force of arms. You don't have to look long or hard to find THAT in the conversation, they are absolutely thrilled at the thought.

 

This.....this cancer, this infection of anti-American,anti-progress, anti-decency or morality or humanity is dangerous people, this has the potential to be the greatest danger this nation has faced and yet still there are those scrambling to be all three monkeys and deny there's any problem at all, as they balance on the shadow of a fence that isn't there anymore.

 

Don't kid yourselves, there is such a thing as evil. You don't need to delude yourself with sulfur and brimstoney visions of hooves and horns, there is evil and it has come to us, and a great many have surrendered to its siren song, lost in their fears and anger and accusations.

 

There is no easy way out, dark times lie ahead.

 

 

[Bang]

It isn't the first time i've said it. This isn't going to end without blood.

Most of us have been in a fight. You ever be the guy trying to reason with someone you just know isn't going to reason? You try anyway, because that is what is expected of civilized law abiding citizens. And more often than not it ends up in the fight you were trying to talk down because the other guy has absolutely no desire to listen to anything except what his own head is saying.

 

Best be ready. The other guys aren't listening to anything except those telling them everything you say is a lie.

 

~Bang

[LD0506]

On 7/22/2018 at 2:29 PM, AsburySkinsFan said:

Want a good look inside? Seriously?

This mirrors my experience almost to a T.

The people we are disagreeing with are genuinely sincere, they just happen to be sincerely wrong.

 

 

[nonniey]

8 hours ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

......

 

That being said, nobody on the left should be listening to criticism that is very clearly lacking in understanding or objectivity.  It's like, look at what the left is doing now! I have no idea what the left is doing now! I just hate the left. Let's spend all our time criticizing the left over stuff that I don't actually care about because if I did, I wouldn't support the party I do... you know, the one who has multiple Nazis on the ballot and helps Russia attack our country. Sure do hate those libs though....

This was was from the Guardian.

[88Comrade2000]

Arm up. Trump wins reelection and has a gop Congress, then civil war is happening.  The only way to prevent even more **** from Trump and the gop,  will be to declare independence from the U.S. and the only way to get that,  is through war. 

[PeterMP]

9 hours ago, EBoz said:

Some of the things I read on here are mind boggling. 

 

There is is no coincidence that all the cities listed below are failures and are tied to the Democrats. 

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/how-decades-of-democratic-rule-ruined-some-of-our-finest-cities/

 

 

Are you sure?  How many cities are run by Republicans?  If most cities are run by Democrats, then doesn't random chance suggest that the most failed cities will be run by Democrats?

 

And some city has to be last.

Edited July 24, 2018 by PeterMP

[Why am I Mr. Pink?]

Wont end without blood?

Arm up?

 

"there is evil and it has come to us, and a great many have surrendered to its siren song, lost in their fears and anger and accusations."

 

--------------------------------

 

The language and rhetoric on here sounds identical to the language and rhetoric on Fox News from 2008 to 2016. And no one took their guns or forced them to follow Sharia law. Just like in 2 years, when trump is gone, we will still be going to work, paying bills, eating at at the always lovely IHOP and watching football on the weekends.

 

I hate trump but cant point to a single thing that he has done that actually affected my life. Like with Obama, a neo con would probably be hard pressed to identify an Obama policy that negatively impacted their life.

 

Trump absolutely sucks.

 

But I am amazed how each side is literally using the exact words and accusations against the other ... without a hint of irony.

 

Oh .. but its different ...  bc we are right and they are wrong. Okay. Thats exactly what they think as well.

 

if you are not willing to take a step back and consider things outside your current considerations ..... why the **** should some republican do the same? How are any of us any better than any of them if we are so entrenched in our position and thinking?

 

Ironic. Cant see the forest for the trees type thing.