Califan007 The Constipated Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 On 3/22/2018 at 5:27 AM, bedlamVR said: then they got Owens who was a head case but a head case that got them to the Super Bowl... Good post, just wanted to comment on this, though...Owens in no way, shape or form got the Eagles to the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 1 hour ago, TD_washingtonredskins said: As someone who is VERY excited for Smith, my reservation with last year is how open some of those deep throws were. I know it sounds like a cliche, but he did have a lot of throws into HUGE windows that you don't typically see in the NFL where Hill had his guy beat by 3-4 yards. Happens alot in Jays system doesn't it? (Asking not saying) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Llevron said: Happens alot in Jays system doesn't it? (Asking not saying) I don't know enough to say...I've heard he gets pass catchers open, but I don't know how often that results in someone streaking down the field for a 50-yard catch. I will say that Reed being healthy will give Smith a lot of seam opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Jay’s system gets guys open, but they have to have a modicum of route running ability and a bit of burst, speed, or both. IMO, Doctson and Pryor both had issues with rounding their breaking routes and not selling routes well. I could be wrong, but I believe a lot of it comes down to the fact that Jay often runs man and zone breakers on either side of the field. Poor route running allows defenders to stay in, or get back into position. Speaking of which, anyone know anything about Richardson’s route running? A little concerning to me that with his speed, a lot of his plays (as far as I’ve read) came from 50/50 balls and broken plays, as opposed to gaining separation (within a play call). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 11 hours ago, TD_washingtonredskins said: Reed being healthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 JP FinlayVerified account @JPFinlayNBCS FollowingFollowing @JPFinlayNBCS More Overwhelming word from Kansas City folks - “You’re gonna love Alex” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veryoldschool Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 18 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: JP FinlayVerified account @JPFinlayNBCS FollowingFollowing @JPFinlayNBCS More Overwhelming word from Kansas City folks - “You’re gonna love Alex” That would be nice, I hope that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, Veryoldschool said: That would be nice, I hope that is the case. I know you think Kirk is a really nice-classy person. I agree with you on that. But Alex is right up there in that same category. He has the reputation of being a super nice guy -- different cat from Kirk -- more of a hip, California, chill version of nice. He does a ton for charity, doesn't say a bad word about anyone, very likable -- that's his rep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeJacobyHOForRIOT Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 At first i was really upset about losing Kirk but the more i think about Alex Smith the more im starting to like this move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Losing Kirk hurt but his contract would have hurt this team more. There’s no debate the situation was boggled from jump street. But the FO responded well to a mistake and didn’t cost the team 28M in cap room this year by signing him. Smith is a good football player and capable of running Gruden’s offense very similarly to Kirk, except his legs will help him out of some tough spots. Gonna be fun to see how he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExoDus84 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 23 hours ago, JoeJacobyHOForRIOT said: At first i was really upset about losing Kirk but the more i think about Alex Smith the more im starting to like this move I don't think we'll see a dropoff in QB play. Alex is older, but he gives you everything Kirk did, along with better mobility, better off-schedule playmaking, and overall better accuracy. I always thought Kirk was just a younger Alex Smith, since they both have similar skill sets. Smith will do fine here, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, ExoDus84 said: I don't think we'll see a dropoff in QB play. Alex is older, but he gives you everything Kirk did, along with better mobility, better off-schedule playmaking, and overall better accuracy. Not really one to believe so much in curses as I do general ineptitude creating situations that make one appear cursed, but man have I read these kind of statements over the years for damn near every position and for whatever reason - there's almost always a dropoff of some type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sean and Laron show Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 I cant be the only one who remembers Alex Smth going an entire year with out throwing a TD to a receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, The Sean and Laron show said: I cant be the only one who remembers Alex Smth going an entire year with out throwing a TD to a receiver. Nope. Had to be embarrassing. Here’s hoping that’s well in the rearview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrFan Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Reid previously traded 3 QBs Feeley, Kolb, McNabb none of them thrived elsewhere. Let's see what will happen with the 4th one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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beachboy757 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 10 hours ago, The Sean and Laron show said: I cant be the only one who remembers Alex Smth going an entire year with out throwing a TD to a receiver. I did some research on this season. Some interesting things I found out were: Andy Reid prefers to use RB's and TE's. Going back to his Eagles coaching days T.O, D-Jax, and Tyreek Hill are the recent few (WR's) to have 1000+ receiving yards under his head coaching. Dwayne Bowe had a decent season in 2014 but no touchdowns. The Chiefs did not have any legit options outside of Bowe that season. The way Redskins fans would have saw it they had a team full of Ryan Grants on offense that season. The Chiefs passing offense was terrible that year. Averaged around 200yrs/game but they had a good special teams / defense. I did not see any articles blame Alex Smith for that poor offensive season although I'm he was to blame for some of the suckage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 10 hours ago, FrFan said: Reid previously traded 3 QBs Feeley, Kolb, McNabb none of them thrived elsewhere. Let's see what will happen with the 4th one. AJ Feeley never thrived for Reid, either. Kolb did just as well for the Cardinals as he did for the Eagles under Reid--which is, mediocre. Neither QB got better on their new teams but neither regressed as well. McNabb slumped hard after leaving the Eagles. Then again, he also wasn't coming off his best season when he was traded...far from it, in fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 On 3/27/2018 at 2:07 PM, BatteredFanSyndrome said: Not really one to believe so much in curses as I do general ineptitude creating situations that make one appear cursed, but man have I read these kind of statements over the years for damn near every position and for whatever reason - there's almost always a dropoff of some type. I do expect a learning curve as Alex gets used to Jay's playcalling and how our receivers operate, but I think he's been in the league long enough and worked with so many receivers that it will be short. Heck, it took three games last year for Kirk to get up to speed and he'd been with the team how long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 The goal for the Redskins is to blend what Gruden has done with what Smith has done and is comfortable with. O’Connell, who is actually younger than Smith, might have the most varied experience of them all. He worked under Kelly, and was key to Washington’s implementation of RPOs (run-pass options) last season. He’s also worked in New England with Tom Brady and Bill Belichick as Brady’s backup as well as a few other NFL backup stops. “It’s part of the attraction I had to Kevin before I hired him. He was with Chip Kelly. He was with New England. He does have a different approach to the quarterback position than I do with the west coast (offense) and my background. So, it’s very important to add different ideas to your staff.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 That ^ looks like a good addition. Might not work out, but that’s a smart move by Gruden, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sean and Laron show Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 17 hours ago, beachboy757 said: Dwayne Bowe had a decent season in 2014 but no touchdowns. The Chiefs did not have any legit options outside of Bowe that season. The way Redskins fans would have saw it they had a team full of Ryan Grants on offense that season. The Chiefs passing offense was terrible that year. Averaged around 200yrs/game but they had a good special teams / defense. We pretty much had an offense full of Ryan Grant's this year and Kirk threw for 27 TD's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeken24 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 By the numbers: It's clear that Kirk had bigger numbers from a statistical standpoint. Unfortunately, the numbers don't really tell the story I (as a fan) would be excited about. Looking at the stats, Kirk and Alex are fairly comparable. Kirk gave the ball away 16 more times than Alex. But on the other hand, Kirk threw for more yards and 20 more TDs. I suppose you could call that a wash. More than likely the diff in TD passes was as a result of the KC's run game producing TD. So all things being fairly equal, the Redskins did not upgrade. Accept for one glaring difference. Freaking wins!!! Based on the stats, there's a 70% chance of winning with Alex Smith at QB. He's 33rd All-time with career wins. Right now, Kirk is not in the conversation in any of those categories. Blame the rest of the team, blame the coaches, blame Bruce.......but you have to blame Kirk somewhere in the equation. Particularly when you know that a lot of those passing stats came in the closing moments of a loss. And the interceptions came in the closing or a crucial moment in a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Using wins to evaluate QBs is stupid. Tim Tebow and Mark Sanchez have winning records, go sign them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeken24 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 On 3/29/2018 at 2:40 PM, SWFLSkins said: The goal for the Redskins is to blend what Gruden has done with what Smith has done and is comfortable with. O’Connell, who is actually younger than Smith, might have the most varied experience of them all. He worked under Kelly, and was key to Washington’s implementation of RPOs (run-pass options) last season. He’s also worked in New England with Tom Brady and Bill Belichick as Brady’s backup as well as a few other NFL backup stops. “It’s part of the attraction I had to Kevin before I hired him. He was with Chip Kelly. He was with New England. He does have a different approach to the quarterback position than I do with the west coast (offense) and my background. So, it’s very important to add different ideas to your staff.” Thats Joe Gibbish ain't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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