Skinsinparadise Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Listening to Finlay yesterday and today Preston Smith - gone Haha Clinton-Dix -- gone Josh Norman -- stays. That surprised me since everyone was saying he was gone prior including Finlay but he said he thinks they have too many holes to move on from. forgot what he said about Crowder but on him listening to others they might try to keep him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 wonder who might have to renegotiate to stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 47 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: Listening to Finlay yesterday and today Preston Smith - gone Haha Clinton-Dix -- gone Josh Norman -- stays. That surprised me since everyone was saying he was gone prior including Finlay but he said he thinks they have too many holes to move on from. forgot what he said about Crowder but on him listening to others they might try to keep him On the radio this morning (I think it was on ESPN980) the vibe is that you can keep Crowder on the cheap since he didn't play the whole season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Last offseason, I was of the mind that maybe you keep Reed for 2018 in the hopes he is healthier and more productive (and could help Smith adjust), and then try to trade him. I’d see what we can get for him. I would actually consider offering Crowder and Smith 1 year deals (the former I’d be fine with a LTD). They both had down years, so similar to the aforementioned Reed situation, it let’s them try to put up better numbers to boost their market, and gives us some leeway to replace them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poindexter Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 7 hours ago, skinny21 said: Last offseason, I was of the mind that maybe you keep Reed for 2018 in the hopes he is healthier and more productive (and could help Smith adjust), and then try to trade him. I’d see what we can get for him. I would actually consider offering Crowder and Smith 1 year deals (the former I’d be fine with a LTD). They both had down years, so similar to the aforementioned Reed situation, it let’s them try to put up better numbers to boost their market, and gives us some leeway to replace them. I would be tempted to let Crowder walk. I think that is why we drafted Trey Quinn. We cannot afford to let Preston Smith walk...PERIOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, Poindexter said: I would be tempted to let Crowder walk. I think that is why we drafted Trey Quinn. We cannot afford to let Preston Smith walk...PERIOD. Why cant we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakedtater1 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, justice98 said: Why cant we? He's a play maker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, bakedtater1 said: He's a play maker this season he was one maybe twice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Poindexter said: I would be tempted to let Crowder walk. I think that is why we drafted Trey Quinn. We cannot afford to let Preston Smith walk...PERIOD. Re. Crowder/Quinn - I feel the same. But.... on both sides of the ball we need speed, and Crowder is closer to fitting that bill than Quinn. I definitely like Quinn, but I see him as closer to a better version of Ryan Grant. A guy you can trust and sub in anywhere. My my biggest problem with bringing Smith back has less to do with Smith actually. I want them to try to find that stud pass rusher, and with Smith in the fold (along with Kerrigan), I think they stand pat at the position. Smith’s a solid player for sure, but a pass rusher that truly concerns OCs and qbs means shorter routes and the ball coming out quicker, which means a lot more leeway for our questionable secondary. JMO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 18 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: Listening to Finlay yesterday and today Preston Smith - gone Haha Clinton-Dix -- gone Josh Norman -- stays. That surprised me since everyone was saying he was gone prior including Finlay but he said he thinks they have too many holes to move on from. forgot what he said about Crowder but on him listening to others they might try to keep him Norman staying would be a major surprise, but Gruden kind of implied he'd be back so maybe that's the case. I'd expect him to want Crowder back, as for Preston Smith, I think somebody will come in over the top with a deal too rich to even consider matching. Gruden was also fairly positive about Clinton Dix, so not sure at all on that one too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakedtater1 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 No haha Clinton Dix please...unless he learns how to man up and not be so afraid to GO AFTER the defender and tackle him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakedtater1 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 So is there alot of edge rushers coming out in the draft? ya sure p Smith is no jj watt or v Miller or Kalil Mack but I think he's good enough to keep around of course this depends on any coaching changes or changing of schemes..idk I guess we could do better than p Smith but I've gained to like him do to the big plays he's made to win us games..or maybe I should say plays that have sealed the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 31 minutes ago, bakedtater1 said: So is there alot of edge rushers coming out in the draft? ya sure p Smith is no jj watt or v Miller or Kalil Mack but I think he's good enough to keep around of course this depends on any coaching changes or changing of schemes..idk I guess we could do better than p Smith but I've gained to like him do to the big plays he's made to win us games..or maybe I should say plays that have sealed the win. I dunno. I thought Smith really disappointed this season. He's always been uneven, but I didn't see him flash much at all. You would have thought he'd have taken advantage of the better line play. I can't see re-signing him based on production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmania123 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 1 hour ago, UK SKINS FAN '74 said: Norman staying would be a major surprise, but Gruden kind of implied he'd be back so maybe that's the case. I'd expect him to want Crowder back, as for Preston Smith, I think somebody will come in over the top with a deal too rich to even consider matching. Gruden was also fairly positive about Clinton Dix, so not sure at all on that one too. I am okay with Norman coming back. He is going to have to be the step up leader in a young secondary. He is not great but he is not awful either. I think he had some being torched moments back there but he also made a few critical plays. Hopefully he will be more consistent next year but we can't afford to let him go. Dunbar will come back healthy. I like him back there. I would love to see us draft in a 1st round safety. Jonathan Abram if Deionte Thompson is off the board. There are some decent safeties in the 2019 draft. We also need to find a replacement for Smith in the second round. We need to pick up a decent receiver. We have a number of compensatory picks this year. Earliest I would do it would be the 3rd or 4th round. We also need some fortification on the line. Probably won't resign AP but could you imagine him, Guice and Chris Army Knife back there? They can all catch the ball. i would like to see us be faster and run more play action in this upcoming year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakedtater1 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 31 minutes ago, Burgold said: I dunno. I thought Smith really disappointed this season. He's always been uneven, but I didn't see him flash much at all. You would have thought he'd have taken advantage of the better line play. I can't see re-signing him based on production. Ya true out side of the home game win over dallas he's been pretty quiet...how much play time has he had ..any chance of putting up a fancy chart thing that shows how many snaps he had this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 If we can let Orakpo go, we can afford to let Preston Smith go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakedtater1 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Riggo-toni said: If we can let Orakpo go, we can afford to let Preston Smith go. This is true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 11 hours ago, skinny21 said: Re. Crowder/Quinn - I feel the same. But.... on both sides of the ball we need speed, and Crowder is closer to fitting that bill than Quinn. I definitely like Quinn, but I see him as closer to a better version of Ryan Grant. A guy you can trust and sub in anywhere. JMO of course. Both Quinn and Crowder turned in the EXACT same combine speed of 4.56, only one of them is $millions cheaper than the other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Just let all of the unrestricted free agents go, avoid signing any FA's before the deadline, and collect more comp picks for next year. None of them were major contributors, and this next season wont be one of playoff contention anyway. That also allows you to NOT spend cap money, save it up, and roll it into 2020. If we were to cut Norman, Reed, Brown and McGee, just resign one of our linemen FAs and fill spots, we would likely have around $25-30 million to roll over into 2020, where we would then, with the next HC and GM, have roughly 90 million in cap space, 10 draft picks, and a high 1st rounder to grab a QB with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 1 hour ago, bowhunter said: Both Quinn and Crowder turned in the EXACT same combine speed of 4.56, only one of them is $millions cheaper than the other Except Quinn didn’t even last a quarter in his first pre-season game without injury.... and then I believe he last a half in his first-regular reason game (before going on IR). I’m not down on his talent... because I’m not even familiar with it. But that’s a pretty dubious start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poindexter Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 15 hours ago, justice98 said: Why cant we? Who else is going to rush the passer from the linebacker position? Kerrigan will be 31 years old and he is not going to play forever. Ryan Anderson is a bull rush linebacker who can't cover. We need Preston Smith. He was outstanding last year and he had a bit of a down year. It would be much easier to replace Jamison Crowder than Preston Smith. I like the versatility Jamison provides with punt returns, playing the slot....but I think Trey Quinn can do the same thing. We don't have anyone on the roster who can do what Preston does, besides Kerrigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poindexter Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Riggo-toni said: If we can let Orakpo go, we can afford to let Preston Smith go. Rak was a one dimensional bull rush specialist and was a very stiff hipped linebacker who was not very good in coverage. Preston Smith to me is a stud of an athlete trapped in a huge body. I would be excited to get Preston back for 8M. It seems like I like Preston more than most....I just think he's still growing as a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Orakpo had already been to 3 pro bowls and went to a 4th his first year with the Tits. The unknown which led to us giving up on him was his durability. After a promising rookie season, Preston Smith has been frustratingly inconsistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anselmheifer Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 7 hours ago, Poindexter said: Who else is going to rush the passer from the linebacker position? Kerrigan will be 31 years old and he is not going to play forever. Ryan Anderson is a bull rush linebacker who can't cover. We need Preston Smith. He was outstanding last year and he had a bit of a down year. It would be much easier to replace Jamison Crowder than Preston Smith. I like the versatility Jamison provides with punt returns, playing the slot....but I think Trey Quinn can do the same thing. We don't have anyone on the roster who can do what Preston does, besides Kerrigan. I don't know. Who could you line up with Kerrigan, Ioannidis, Allen and Payne and expect to produce 4 or less sacks. Four sacks? We can't replace that? Let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 do most teams with a 3-4 even employ 2 rush linebackers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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