Bozo the kKklown Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: The reason Mayor Pete has gone from "who the **** is Mayor Pete?" to a legit first- or -second tier candidate in 5 weeks is because he's said a lot of things people like. Yeah, without actually saying what he would do. I think that's an issue The Young Turks are starting to notice. He makes us feel good without saying anything of substance in how he will alleviate things. 10 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: Honestly, if TYT want to be taken seriously and not as partisan hacks (a big if), maybe try to make your points about a candidate without explicitly mentioning Sanders a dozen times. I agree with that. 10 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: I don't have any idea what you even mean by "dude seems like a plant." Like, the noun or the verb? Im thinking more of Tea Party being an astroturf campaign by the Koch brothers. 3 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: Do you not have Google? I went on peteforamerica.com Tell me what he wants to do for this country? Even the NYT had an article saying dude is running a straight personality campaign without telling us what he intends on doing to improve the country. But I know you have the answer, so please enlighten me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 1 hour ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Yeah, without actually saying what he would do. I think that's an issue The Young Turks are starting to notice. He makes us feel good without saying anything of substance in how he will alleviate things. I agree with that. Well my response to that is 3 things. #1, he DOES make us feel good because he's very clearly extraordinarily smart and also has this calm confidence about himself and just seems very reasonable (all of which will play well against DJT). #2, he's officially been running for President for 2 days (literally 2 days). #3, him only having a small number of concrete policy positions does not separate him from the rest of the field, except Bernie who is recycling his stuff from 2016 and Warren, who is an amazing policy wonk. The Young Turks are simply noticing that he is a rising threat to Bernie, their criticisms are pretty silly and petty at this stage (again, they literally called him selfish for serving in Afghanistan, I mean come the **** on). Bonus response: #4 Candidates formulate their policy positions with the help of their political staff and subject matter experts, not by themselves (unless they are just total amateurs). Those things cost money. Mayor Pete is only now raising enough money to pay for that part of a campaign. I'll just note that I'm not like, a Mayor Pete-bro. He's on my list, but there are several names on that list. My point is that, at this stage, "news" programs like TYT transparently shilling for Bernie and attacking anyone for not having their full policy agenda evolved (in April 2019) and saying that all of the good qualities that a candidate has (that crankyass Bernie doesn't have) do not matter, is....what are the right words here.....****ing stupid. Quote Im thinking more of Tea Party being an astroturf campaign by the Koch brothers. Ah, the verb (he's being planted by nefarious forces, not he resembles vegetation that grows out of the ground). I don't see that at all and I'd be interested in why you think that. Maybe the gay billionaire that killed Gawker? Theil? PETE Theil?!?!?! That must prove something, right? Quote I went on peteforamerica.com Tell me what he wants to do for this country? Even the NYT had an article saying dude is running a straight personality campaign without telling us what he intends on doing to improve the country. But I know you have the answer, so please enlighten me. Has he put out a bunch of policies papers? No, see above. Has he said a lot of things that make people think he'd be a good President, and does he have a ridiculous resume and list of accomplishments that repeatedly demonstrates (1) his remarkable intellect and (2) his passion for public service and (3) his temperament for the office? Yes, big time. I'm big on policies myself, but it's April 2019. Everyone in the race is going to have plenty of time to either come out with their positions or get dinged for not doing so. Further, Bernie is recycling his ideas from 2016, which is fine, but Bernie doesn't get credit for having policies when he has no plan for getting those policies to become law and, unless Dems win an extra 10 seats in the Senate (which is not going to happen), Bernie's policies will never become law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh8686 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 1 hour ago, BenningRoadSkin said: educate me. IIRC this one had Pete getting into his views on some substantive issues. It's not fully fleshed out policy, but he takes a position at least and it is a bit more than "make you feel good" soundbites that are all sugar and no substance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Isn't it normal for campaign speeches to be light on substance, heavy on philosophy and "feel-good" isms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, NoCalMike said: Isn't it normal for campaign speeches to be light on substance, heavy on philosophy and "feel-good" isms? No, no, no. What people respond to is Grandpa yelling at them about who they should view as their enemies. ...... Wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Right. Obama's "hope & change" was not full of substance. Nor was anything Trump said.........ever. So.......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 And Warrens problem is she isn't policy specific enough... 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 My problem with Warren and Bernie is their policies are dreadful. I have lived under the European socialist system they are both so eager to create, and I would much rather go to Clinton era policies before W crapped the bed. Trump's policies are ruinously short-sighted and are handing over our competitive advantages to China. Bernie or Warren or someone in that vein is looking more and more inevitable. That scares the hell out of me, but it doesn't surprise me at all. We have embraced Latin American style populism, going from crony kleprocratic nationalism to the inevitable nanny state socialism. We're living through a Peron, next will be an Allende or Chavez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted April 17, 2019 Author Share Posted April 17, 2019 Barry wasn't deep on policy and he did well. It's clear that the 2020 DEm nominee is going to be to the left of Obama. Which degree, will play out in the primaries. Bernie is the clear front runner for now. If the other candidates split the vote; you can see Bernie being the delegate leader heading into the convention. I won't say nominee because the Dems allocate their votes proportionally not winner take all, like the GOP. So, it's possible several candidates can rack up delegates; heading into the convention. If Bernie is the lead delegate holder, I don't see how the Dems could deny him the nomination. At the moment, I don't see where one candidate runs away with it. Not Uncle Joe, Not Bernie, etc.. If Bernie wants to be that person then he has to go beyond his Bernie Bros base. He's going to have win women, black vote, hispanics and the older voters. The majority of the Dem voters are still over 40; so Bernie is going to need them also. It's a competitive race now, Bernie wants it. He has to earn it. Bernie has to beat Uncle Joe, Mayor Peter, Lizzy W, Beto and Kamala. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 I think Tucker trying to hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmsy Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Did you guys not see Sanders' Fox News Town Hall? Did these journalists actually prepare any type of rebuttal? Do any research? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfitzo53 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 8 hours ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Is that it? Or is it that homie really hasnt said anything except his proposal for the Supreme Court? (which is great btw) And he has some BS from his time as Mayor of Southbend that people are finally realizing. Dude seems like a plant. Let me make sure I understand. You claim that he has said one thing. According to you, you agree with that one thing. Therefore he... *checks notes* is an industry plant and can't be trusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Pete's gonna have to address his housing policy stuff sooner rather than later. He can address it on his terms, or he can address it on someone else's. Can't find the tweet but SOMEBODY a good point that Pete is running in "Hope and Change" lane while everyone else is running in some other lane. But the best point was that Pete finds cameras. Warren is super smart and a wonk but she doesn't do enough interviews, even on friendly terms. Pete is taking advantage of both old and new media to maximize his growth. But he definitely needs to address the housing stuff. That's gonna bite him if he doesn't. It does appear his campaign is willing to address issues, so I'm hopeful - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Saw Beto in Charlottesville tonight. He’s a game changer. No he didn’t get super policy specific. I don’t know if that makes him a plant or not, I still think he’s the best chance to win a general. He would absolutely stampede Trump imo. He has it. Everything that “it” is he drips with it. Every piece of charisma and engagement and inspiration that makes a young person get off their phone and canvas, gets a suburban housewife to vote against her husband or gets an undecided to a polling station, he has it. He has a lot of progressive policy beliefs. Some are more moderate and that’s ok too because he can avoid the “socialist” stigma and that may be what’s needed. He’s smart, articulate and and passionate. I already liked him but he impressed the hell out of me D884267B-2B6D-49C6-9A76-CCD52935900F.MP4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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visionary Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 By the way, it’s interesting the difference in campaign styles for Beto and Pete so far. Beto is campaigning a lot in more local places (likely more than anyone) and not making a lot of news since coming into the race and not doing many interviews and maybe that’s hurting him nationally right now, though it could pay off down the road. Pete has been doing a ton of interviews and other things that have gotten a lot of press and sparked national discussion, which seems to have helped him down in the polls. It remains to be seen if he will also be doing more campaign rallies in the days to come. Of course I like both of them, but I would like to see some more policy info from them, hopefully by the time debates come around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Beto made a huge dent in his candidacy against Cruz because h he campaigns right to the people. Lots of visits like he's doing now, almost like going door to door, he's going venue to venue. His style is very personal. He's very charismatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bozo the kKklown Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 10 hours ago, dfitzo53 said: Let me make sure I understand. You claim that he has said one thing. According to you, you agree with that one thing. Therefore he... *checks notes* is an industry plant and can't be trusted. I actually started reading about him instead of just eating the sugar he gave and I don’t like what I’ve read. Too much sugar is bad for you but Americans are addicted. Just because someone has a good idea doesn’t make them right 16 hours ago, The Evil Genius said: And Warrens problem is she isn't policy specific enough... 🙄 Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 8 hours ago, visionary said: By the way, it’s interesting the difference in campaign styles for Beto and Pete so far. Beto is campaigning a lot in more local places (likely more than anyone) and not making a lot of news since coming into the race and not doing many interviews and maybe that’s hurting him nationally right now, though it could pay off down the road. Pete has been doing a ton of interviews and other things that have gotten a lot of press and sparked national discussion, which seems to have helped him down in the polls. It remains to be seen if he will also be doing more campaign rallies in the days to come. Of course I like both of them, but I would like to see some more policy info from them, hopefully by the time debates come around. Agree with all of your points and I like both Beto and Pete a lot. I'll just note that Beto got all of the attention just before and right after his announcement, and Pete is getting the same treatment now. The narratives are a bit different since Beto was more known and there was more built up excitement for him, while Pete is the "came out of nowhere" guy. I think they both had good rollouts, and now need to show that they can take the momentum and money from their respective rollouts and build a professional campaign (and the attendant policy positions) that can make them competitive in the early states with people that have been either planning for this campaign since the day Trump won, or have actively been running for President since early 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Beto and Buttigieg are both young, personable candidates running from a different demographic than Bernie, Biden or Warren, they have inherent advantages because of their age, along with disadvantages for the same reasons. They offer their youth and idealism instead of decades of parsable record, it is just a different dynamic, it shouldn't come as any surprise that they poll differently and spark a different reaction. As far as I'm concerned, Mayor Pete ought to face tough questions and have some good answers about his history. If he can't face even the early scrutiny then he's probably not up to the job, but being the cynical old fart that I am I find the timing on some of the media mutterings interesting. Don't believe that others running would hesitate one second to trip him early to hurt his chances. I am looking at some of these stories the same way I have at coverage of Kamala Harris, it is easy to rant outside the window and tout all the great things you might do if ever...., but it is very different when you have to actually do the job. Working with an existing bureaucratic structure by definition forces tough choices and compromises, I want to see what they did when faced with difficult decisions and let them elaborate on the nuances or perspectives that drove their thinking. All in all it is WAY too early for anyone to declare for any candidate, doing so just makes ya look like some teenage fan at an Ariana Grande concert instead of an adult making a thoughtful choice. Someone catches your eye or your attention? Great! Look at them, look into them and what they claim, do the work to learn who and what they really are beneath the patina of marketing. Don't get "sold" because the commercial played background music you recognize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Anyone got any feelings about a Warren/Pete or Pete/Warren? My dream move is Harris/Warren or Warren/Harris but I think Pete is going to gain alot of support and be hard to ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 I suspect Harris/Warren ect is gonna bleed male voters. Of course the guys are winning right now, where their support goes as the field narrows will be key Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Some form of Harris and Beto would be an attractive option to me. I like Biden a lot but he has a lot of skeletons that keep being dug up (rightly or wrongly). Tbf, anybody but the chucklehead we have in office now is an attractive option for me in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfitzo53 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 2 hours ago, BenningRoadSkin said: I actually started reading about him instead of just eating the sugar he gave and I don’t like what I’ve read. Too much sugar is bad for you but Americans are addicted. Just because someone has a good idea doesn’t make them right I'd be happy to hear you elaborate on the specifics of what you don't like. Like PB, I'm not on the Mayor Pete bandwagon. I think "Mayor of South Bend" to "President of the United States" is a huge jump. But I would love for us to talk specifics if you're going to say he (or any candidate) has red flags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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