Malapropismic Depository Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 18 minutes ago, thebeermonkey said: The problem is now greater than Cousins. What decent QB is going to want to play for this team? About the same amount as if he doesn't release the contract details. Either way the media crucifies him. If he doesn't release them, he'll be cast as cheap, low-baller, who is clueless when he sees a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COWBOY-KILLA- Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 If this was the plan, we should have traded him this year before or at the draft. The whole "we got this, there is no way we'd trade this guy we love so much" attitude and then follow that up with no contract is a bummer and a bit disingenuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Just now, PartyPosse said: Well of the offer was sent in may it was before the Carr extension so it would have been in between Luck and whomever is second in terms of average (palmer?). not like it makes a huge difference Thanks for pointing that out, so between $24,350,000 and $24,594,000. After the Carr deal, making him the 3rd highest paid player in the league. Either way, our FO and Bruce did their part, didn't low ball him like last year, want him here and he wants to maximize his total earnings and play under multiple tags. Neither side is at fault, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tay Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Also everyone had been hoping for leaks of the actual offer from the team for a while now. Instead of leaking, Bruce came out and put his name on it. What would have been the appropriate way to handle it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 I dont know why any player would want to be in DC unless it's for the money. Why would you want to work in such a dysfunctional place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF44 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 The signs and chants need to be "Shame Shame Shame!!" Going to go down as one of Danny's biggest screw ups ever and that's saying something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 why bother to sign this contract if you would play under the franchise tag and trasition tag in 2018 2017 salary 23.9 2018 transition is 28.7 total 52.6 He was offered 53 total. Can we continue to offer him the franchise tag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Dont Taze Me Bro said: Throwing him under the bus? By finally giving us something to go by as far as what they offered. Come on now. They tried to make him the 2nd highest paid player in the league by annual salary (between Carr and Luck) and offered him 53 million guaranteed and 72 million guaranteed for injury. And Kirk's agent never made any offers or contact since that was offered on May 2nd, but Bruce is the jerkoff? What a load of bull. That release was pathetic. First, rather than just saying "We tried to make a LTD work out, we couldnt, but hes a valued player and we look forward to a great season and to try hard for a LTD next year!", he tried to throw Kirk under the bus. Do you think he appreciates the attempt to make him look greedy? No, Bruce just burned the best bridge we've had in decades. Second, 53 million guaranteed is good? Hes going to make that the next 2 years because of the tags! Its a 0% increase. If your boss says "You hold all the cards, Option AL:You can make $100k this year, and $100k next year, and then chose whether you want to keep working with us, OR a better company. Option B, what we are offering you, is you can make $100k this year, and $100k next year, and then after that we might just cut you, or keep you, but you dont have any choices of other companies." Third, the Redskins did NOT make ANY second efforts in over 2 MONTHS! So, you really want a guy, and you give a horrible first offer, and he says no, and you dont think to come back with a better offer? What is this, amateur hour? I sell houses for a living. I cant imagine how stupid an agent would have to be to really want a house and say "Well, they said no on that lowball offer on that house you really want, rather than improving our offer, lets just wait 2 months and then blame them, and not get the house". Again, because I sell houses for a living, Ive done EXACTLY what Kirks agent did, because its the RIGHT thing to do. I had someone lowball a house. We told them no thanks, and never responded. Because we held the cards, and it was a lowball offer. They came back and offered higher, then we went to work, and they got the house. Kirk would be an absolute idiot to take the deal, and I dont want an idiot as our QB. I prefer the smart ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertbeagle85 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 12 minutes ago, Dont Taze Me Bro said: Throwing him under the bus? By finally giving us something to go by as far as what they offered. Come on now. They tried to make him the 2nd highest paid player in the league by annual salary (between Carr and Luck) and offered him 53 million guaranteed and 72 million guaranteed for injury. And Kirk's agent never made any offers or contact since that was offered on May 2nd, but Bruce is the jerkoff? Lol you're blind if you don't think this was leaked in order to make Kirk and his agent out as the bad guys. As for a idea as what was offered. I see he didn't mention the per year amount which has been said was the problem. Bruce/organization is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbias Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 1 minute ago, ConnSKINS26 said: And it's actually a negative, because it shows how ****ing stupid we are as a group to continue pouring our money into the team. But really it's not just us--the league is so popular as a whole and the broadcasting deals are so rich that even the smaller market bad teams are worth ten times more what they were worth in the 80s. With animal rights groups cramping down on other organizations where else are people going to go when they want a circus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 I guess if there's any type of credit to give, at least Allen didn't release the numbers though leaks. Put his name behind it. Yeah. lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Just now, Dont Taze Me Bro said: Thanks for pointing that out, so between $24,350,000 and $24,594,000. After the Carr deal, making him the 3rd highest paid player in the league. Either way, our FO and Bruce did their part, didn't low ball him like last year, want him here and he wants to maximize his total earnings and play under multiple tags. Neither side is at fault, imo. I agree, but it was still low of Bruce Allen to do what he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Just now, COWBOY-KILLA- said: If this was the plan, we should have traded him this year before or at the draft. The whole "we got this, there is no way we'd trade this guy we love so much" attitude and then follow that up with no contract is a bummer and a bit disingenuous. Did you listen to the press statement Bruce made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, PortisBetts said: Have you not watched how we have handled our qb situation since 2012? It's a flat out embarrassment all around To redskins fans it may seem that way. Outside of our bubble I doubt it looks the same. If anyone looks like a joke after the 2012 draft it's St. Louis who had all those extra picks and are still scraping the bottom of that division. We managed to put together some solid seasons without those draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, RedBeast said: And of course the Redskins and Bruce Allen are the first one on Twitter slinging ****ing mud First GMSM Second KC That's a ****ing pattern It's a much longer pattern imo. Bruce also survived Shanahan and his media feuds with Hayesworth/McNabb/Griffin. And he has a history of this with Tampa. He's a gutter rat. He wins in office politics, for a while, and that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 I get waiting a year from Kirk's POV. Stafford, Ryan, Marriota, and I think Winston also are all due up for deals, plus Brees will be a free agent again, so the QB market is due to jump up quite a bit. Probably why Raiders got in early on Carr. But Kirk's side could have at least offered up a number. No response sucks. Kirk is taking a gamble though. If his season is pedestrian then those other QB's contracts will work against him. It will be viewed as him not deserving as much money as those guys. There's a way to go about discussing/revealing the Redskins offer, and it is NOT the way Allen just did it. The way his statement was worded was awful and classless. All he had to say was the team offered Kirk what they felt was a fair deal, but the two sides couldn't agree but both want to revisit it in the offseason. What he just said is the type of deflecting and backtabbing that makes people not want to work for you. Fire him. TODAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeast Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Cut him. Take the hit now. I don't even want to see him in a Redskins uniform Cut Bruce as well. Screw him and his political connections get the team straight first and the stadium will fall into line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, desertbeagle85 said: Lol you're blind if you don't think this was leaked in order to make Kirk and his agent out as he bad guy. It wasn't leaked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 11 minutes ago, desertbeagle85 said: Yeah I don't know how you fix this disaster, but Allen running his mouth doesn't help. That guy needs to go. He's a bum not sure why Snyder over and over again finds turds like this. Because no one else will work for him. Every "GM" or big name HC we've ever hired (before Gruden) was out of the NFL before we hired them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeast Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said: It's a much longer pattern imo. Bruce also survived Shanahan and his media feuds with Hayesworth/McNabb/Griffin. And he has a history of this with Tampa. He's a gutter rat. He wins in office politics, for a while, and that's about it. You are right just out of frustration and anger I quoted the first two off the top of my head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertbeagle85 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 1 minute ago, ConnSKINS26 said: Because no one else will work for him. Every "GM" or big name HC we've ever hired (before Gruden) was out of the NFL before we hired them. True the guy at the top is the bigger turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Only Bruce allen could turn a bad situation into a disaster, because of his desperate need to throw someone else under the bus so people will think well of him. And for the record, any of you defending the wall of lies that has been Bruce Allen for the past several years("We will get it done, its simple" "Scot will be our GM" "Hes attending to a family matter"), deserve the continued failures of this franchise. It suits you. For the rest of us, its just sad we get roped into it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 1 minute ago, ConnSKINS26 said: Because no one else will work for him. Every "GM" or big name HC we've ever hired (before Gruden) was out of the NFL before we hired them. Firing Allen and giving a statement to the fans about changing the teams' ways, extending an olive branch to the local media would go a very, very long way IMO of getting top quality personnel interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy Yoda Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 1 minute ago, ConnSKINS26 said: And it's actually a negative, because it shows how ****ing stupid we are as a group to continue pouring our money into the team. But really it's not just us--the league is so popular as a whole and the broadcasting deals are so rich that even the smaller market bad teams are worth ten times more what they were worth in the 80s. Anything Redskins related that I have has always been a gift, with children to take care of I would immediately regret pouring money into this dysfunction junction of a team. If you think about it, FedEx field in general is a disrespect to Redskins fans. I know this is off course from the topic, but how can you go from RFK to that. It's a giant piece of crap used to squish as much people in it as possible, no home field advantage whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Just now, Tay said: Also everyone had been hoping for leaks of the actual offer from the team for a while now. Instead of leaking, Bruce came out and put his name on it. What would have been the appropriate way to handle it? I am fine with how he handled it. Especially after all the **** that him and the FO have gotten the past two years, with all the rumors and speculation. They made him a great offer and Kirk's camp could have cared less, didn't even try to negotiate any further until this weekend, so the ball was in their court from May 2nd until say 7/15/17 with no desire to do anything but play under one year deals. It doesn't matter though, the pitchforks are still coming out because people just want to **** about BA, the FO and Snyder. So now that we know how it went down, they attack him for letting everyone know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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