abdcskins Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 The guy replacing him, Dustin Hopkins lost the training camp battle to Zach Hocker in New Orleans. Zach Hocker was drafted by the Redskins last year and was released. Hocker went 4-4 yesterday for New Orleans. This team sometimes makes your head hurt. I have him on my fantasy team lol. Good young kicker, strong leg....cut him. Of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brokenstriker Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I posted this in the tweet thread. Here is the link to the Skins kicker stats. Sort by FG%. For those who don't want to click, FG% for kickers with over 45 attempts: Forbath 60/69 87% Suisham 81/101 80.2% Hall 54/69 78.3% Conway 52/69 75.4% Gano 59/80 73.8% Blanton 44/60 73.3% Murray 35/48 72.9% Lohmiller 175/245 71.4% Moseley 263/397 66.2% Forbath is the most accurate kicker in team history by a significant margin. figures lie ... he's also a short range kicker ... which limited his attempts to 'makable' distances ... which meant we punted when other teams take the 3 points. He attempted 1 >= 50 yd FG last year and missed it. His KO's are consistently returned unless he kicks it out of bounds. He wasn't "THE" problem ... but his was certainly a position that could be improved ... cheap shot I know ... since there's few positions on the Skins that couldn't be significantly improved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 ....and this was the "upgrade" over Bazooka Joe. We're cursed I tell ya. Maybe give B-Mitch a shot at coaching ST? I'd be on board for a guy who's coached before. Neither of the two we've brought in since the passing of the Danny Smith plague had ever coached before. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallen5862 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 http://blogs.theadvocate.com/blackandgold/2015/08/23/55-yards-or-not-saints-kicker-dustin-hopkins-expected-to-hit-field-goal-against-patriots/ Hopkins drilled field goals from 27 and 21, but he’s also boomed every one of his kickoffs for a touchback. But he’d have loved to hit the 55-yard attempt, no matter how long it seemed. “I have to,” Hopkins said. “I expected to (hit it), and I was disappointed when I didn’t.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Blaster Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 The team just now realized Forbath can't kickoff?!?!?!?!Color me confused by this move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve09ru Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 26th in the league in FG% made in the last 2+ seasons No he wasn't - 8th last year (89%) and 23rd the year before (82%) and 1st (94%) in 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brokenstriker Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Not sure I can agree with this http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestatsdef2014 Shows what the defenses average starting line of scrimmage drives were last year when Kai was kicking off. ... average is one thing but what's the standard deviation? The Skins are routinely returned and they are routinely gashed by returns. You should also consider FG distance. Kai isn't a realistic option for 50yd FGs ... so the Skins punt when the opposition gets 3 pts. Loved the consistency but hated the blocks (remember those), hated the punts from the opposition's 32 and hated the monster KO returns. The team just now realized Forbath can't kickoff?!?!?!?! Color me confused by this move. come on now ... you had to know that was coming after the revelation that Griffin isn't a pocket passer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 This is soooo awesome! I can't wait to go back to watching the kicker blow game - winners from inside 40 yards again! Plus, the number of ex-Redskin kickers starting around the league has begun to dwindle with Suisham hurt and Akers retired. Gano and Novak need some company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBass1724 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Forbath 60/69 87% Suisham 81/101 80.2% Hall 54/69 78.3% Conway 52/69 75.4% Gano 59/80 73.8% Blanton 44/60 73.3% Murray 35/48 72.9% Lohmiller 175/245 71.4% Moseley 263/397 66.2% We have not figured out our kicking problem since Lohmiller was cut. But honestly, I'm surprised Lohmiller and Moseley were this "bad". I get kickers have gotten infinitely better over the years, but I absolutely do not remember Lohmiller missing almost 30% of his FG attempts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyc Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 The Redskins should carry two kickers. A long distance/kickoff specialist and Forbath. Forbath has been one of the best kickers in the NFL on mid-range / short kicks, but he has no business kicking anything longer than ~48 yards or so. We never should have gotten rid of Graham Gano. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hangman- C_Hanburger Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 If they HAVE to cut somebody..Cut Robinson (34). He was dogging it at Safety AND on the Punt Return for the TD. Out of his lane and lunged...HE deserves to be cut IF anybody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 For the record the Dolphins only return 2 kickoffs yesterday with very little damage. Kai also routinely kicked deep during the preseason but nobody seemed to notice The miss yesterday had as much to do with the high snap as the kicker. Guess you know I feel about this move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I'm way more behind this move than I was against the cutting of Gano. Gano had a leg out of this world and his low percentage was because we had an OL that couldn't stop his kicks from getting blocked. Kai has missed too many makeable FGs to be considered our all time most accurate kicker. Remember the Eagles game last year when he missed one as well? He's just too inconsistent for a guy who can't kick it over 50 or kick it into the end zone. Sure we could get Way to kickoff, but then we're asking him to perform a function outside of his normal duty and we may wear down his leg. Kickers have 3 jobs - FGs, XPs, and kickoffs. I've never called for him to lose his job but I'm not losing any sleep over this one. If he becomes a great K then so be it, but hopefully we can find somebody who can do all three jobs of a kicker well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Kai's a good K, yesterday's miss not withstanding. Surprising move for sure. Maybe he's injured or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 This team, I swear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFi Skins Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Wait, there's got to be more to this... Scotty walked in to his office after the game and Kai was sitting in his chair. He walks over to confront Kai and realizes his 'cobra' was being 'attended' to by the reporter... Scot makes a rash decision out of jealousy? Love. Triangle. Solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 KaI shouldn't have given up that punt return #Grudenlogic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epochalypse Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 So I found the time to answer my own question. Here's what I counted for a sampling of kickers (FG% inside 50 yds since 2012): Bailey 70/73 95.9% Tucker 84/89 94.4% Carpenter 79/84 94.0% Hauschka 85/91 93.4% Graham 49/53 92.5% Bryant 72/78 92.3% Succop 70/76 92.1% Vinatieri 80/88 90.9% Janikowski 59/65 90.8% Dawson 69/76 90.8% Gostkowski 94/104 90.3% Catanazaro 28/31 90.3% Forbath 58/65 89.2% Nugent 63/71 88.7% Scobee 62/70 88.6% Walsh 70/79 88.6% Prater 60/68 88.2% Crosby 71/81 87.7% Parkey 28/32 87.5% Gould 53/61 86.9% Folk 78/90 86.7% Santos 26/30 86.7% Bullock 53/62 85.5% McManus 11/13 84.6% That puts him 13 out of the 24 kickers I bothered looking up for FG% on kicks under 50 yds. I don't think that makes him this "automatic from under 50" elite kicker that we can overlook his inability to sniff the back of the end zone on kick offs. He's basically average at field goal accuracy and horrible at kickoffs. Add in the fact his contract is up at the end of the year and he's gotten worse since a stellar year in 2012 (hmm I've heard that somewhere before), and it means another opportunity to improve our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Meh. I don't really care. I liked Kai, and it's ****ed up that he found out by text from a reporter asking what was going on, but it's not like he was propelling this team to the next level. He's replaceable, pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 This official? Mac's pretty decisive in making moves huh? Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autoidiodyssey Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 He's just too inconsistent for a guy who can't kick it over 50 or kick it into the end zone. He missed 3 kicks last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBass1724 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 That puts him 13 out of the 24 kickers I bothered looking up for FG% on kicks under 50 yds. I don't think that makes him this "automatic from under 50" elite kicker that we can overlook his inability to sniff the back of the end zone on kick offs. He's basically average at field goal accuracy and horrible at kickoffs. Add in the fact his contract is up at the end of the year and he's gotten worse since a stellar year in 2012 (hmm I've heard that somewhere before), and it means another opportunity to improve our team. Get those facts and common sense thinking out of here!! This is EXTREMEskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brokenstriker Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Forbath's longest FG: 50 yds (twice) on Dec 8, 2013 and Oct 14, 2012 only one >=50 attempt since Dec 8, 2013 (last year) which was missed 4 of his 69 FGA were >= 50 yds 50% from >= 50 yds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 whatever. Now if they had the balls to fire the ST coach. That would be worth talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Of course his FG% is high, he's not even capable of making a 50+ harder, so we don't give him the opportunity to fail on them. His % is artificially high due to that, and its another limiting factor of his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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