Burgold Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 So, the House has announced it will indeed sue the President for his alleged abuse of executive orders. However, in the same news conference where House Speaker John Boehner claimed that the President was guilty of "shredding the Constitution" he said that the House has no plans to and will not explore impeachment... that impeachment is off the table. How do you reconcile that logic? How can the President be guilty of doing something so horrific that the House must sue him over it... something that tears the very soul of the Constitution... yet something that doesn't rise to the level of an impeachable offense? How is that possible? http://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-republicans-forge-ahead-with-lawsuit-against-obama/ Darn it! I thought I was in the Tailgate. Can we please move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter_R Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 I know this was posted in the wrong section, but it's obvious what these tools are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted July 30, 2014 Author Share Posted July 30, 2014 I know this was posted in the wrong section, but it's obvious what these tools are doing. Don't call them tools. Tools have a function and can fix something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsInFebruary Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 All the problems in the world, and this is what they come up with to do today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Thanks RGIII! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Shanahan's fault! ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martytheman Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 extremelibskins strikes again.. don't dare question the dear leader. Now pick up that can citizen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek1973 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 All I know is I hate the **** Mara... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I say we as citizens need to sue the republican party for gross stupidity and treason. extremelibskins strikes again.. don't dare question the dear leader. Now pick up that can citizen. If you are interested in questioning leadership you can start with the insanity of the tea party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 How do you reconcile that logic? How can the President be guilty of doing something so horrific that the House must sue him over it... something that tears the very soul of the Constitution... yet something that doesn't rise to the level of an impeachable offense? They have no intention of impeachment. (Because they know it would cost them at the ballot box.) (They've said so.) They know that a lawsuit is useless. What they want, is to have discovery, so they can demand every piece of paper in creation, and then yell "coverup", real loudly, when they only get 90% of the paper since creation. It's not an investigation with an endgame. The investigation is the endgame. (Just like it was, with Clinton. Just like every investigation they've had, of Obama.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I think the lawsuit it going to back-fire and help get Democrats out to the polls. So many issues that Congress doesn't address but they have time for this won't really fly with the American public. Well, it will fly for those that really hate Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 IIRC isn't the lawsuit charging Obama with using executive overreach in DELAYING part of the ACA? The same ACA that Republicans hate so much? You just can't make this **** up, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 G = Greed O = Obfuscation P = Prevarication Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I thought this was interesting @FiveThirtyEight: MSNBC 905, Fox News 213: How often each network has mentioned impeachment in 2014. http://t.co/hSTEmzgHcP http://t.co/y4InuvuZt6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 "Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." - Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliz Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 What substantive goal do they intend to accomplish here? Other than wasting taxpayer money and further riling up a base that is already pretty riled? Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Because Obama is the worst President ever, and has violated the Constitution in every way conceivable....but not so badly that they want to impeach him and thrown out of office. Pure idiotic hypocrisy, and the ONLY reason the GOP is doing this is because it is pure red meat for their voters and it is an election year. It is nothing more than pure hackery and will only serve to further bring deviciveness and polarization to the nation's politics. I can't stand any of them I think they are all ****s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Well, I'm glad the republicans are really accomplishing something. Way to go team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZRagone Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 It's not really difficult logic.... Legal action = goes before a "neutral" 3rd party in the judiciary and wouldn't force an upheaval of government but rather a change in action. Has at least a mild chance of succeeding in a way that is meaningful. impeachment = goes before two biased parties, the house in one case and the senate in another. Due to democratic control of the senate, it has practically 0% chance to succeed in a way that is meaningful, and if it did succeed would cause significant government upheaval. There's two ways you could get to the other side of the wall. You could pick the lock on a door and open it or you could bash yourself against the wall hoping that it shatters and you can walk through. While picking the lock is unlikely, it's the better option Legal action is picking the lock of the door. Impeachment is running headlong into the brick wall wishing you were the kool-aid man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Yeah. They're doing it because they think that some county judge, in the civil court, is going to resolve a dispute involving constitutional separation of powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted July 31, 2014 Author Share Posted July 31, 2014 That said, some of Obama's executive orders have been unconstitutional. They've been forced by absolute noncooperation, but he has gone beyond the line in several instances. For example, not advising Congress about the Bowe Bergdahl exchange was technically illegal from what I've been told be several professors of law who are not political shills. However, if you say and believe that Obama has "shredded the Constitution" then he needs to be removed from office. To not do so would be an incredible deriliction of duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 It's not really difficult logic.... Legal action = goes before a "neutral" 3rd party in the judiciary and wouldn't force an upheaval of government but rather a change in action. Has at least a mild chance of succeeding in a way that is meaningful. impeachment = goes before two biased parties, the house in one case and the senate in another. Due to democratic control of the senate, it has practically 0% chance to succeed in a way that is meaningful, and if it did succeed would cause significant government upheaval. There's two ways you could get to the other side of the wall. You could pick the lock on a door and open it or you could bash yourself against the wall hoping that it shatters and you can walk through. While picking the lock is unlikely, it's the better option Legal action is picking the lock of the door. Impeachment is running headlong into the brick wall wishing you were the kool-aid man So a President that is shredding the Constitution should remain President? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Shredding the Constitution would seem a primary violation of the Presidential oath of office. If the GOP was really serious, then they'd proceed with articles of impeachment. But they aren't serious. They are a joke, and We the People are the punchline. The Rightwing fringe has demanded division and extremism and the GOP leadership has proved gutless to stand up to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZRagone Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 So a President that is shredding the Constitution should remain President?Someone shredding the constitution should be removed from officePoliticians running for office shouldn't lie and mislead Judges shouldn't let political views influence judicial logic Women shouldn't get hit Men shouldn't sleep with other men's girlfriends People shouldn't make fun of other people The cowboys shouldn't win a football game I should piss liquid gold and crap rubies If you want yo deal with fantasy and utopian notions instead of reality be my guest. If you are though, I'd hope you're not someone ****ing about them "wasting time/money" because impeachment would be a bigger waste exponentially In a perfect world if the GOP in congress felt Obama was shredding the constitution they'd impeach. But it's not a perfect world, and an impeachment has as much chance of succeeding as a the Milwaukee bucks have to three peat in the NBA the next 3 years, and would cause significant issues for the country in the process. It's just not intelligently politically or pragmatically. It makes sense on principle alone, and contrary to the "every conservative is an extremist fringer" meme, few actually advocate on action singularly on principle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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