Brian Orakpo: Current most over hyped Redskin? Or as good as advertised?

[dballer]

Kerrigan has also flashed some game changing big play ability that Orakpo really never showed. He has forced 16 fumbles since 2011. Orkapo has forced 7 since 2009. Add a couple of pick 6s. Orakpo would have a slight edge on sack numbers if he could stay healthy, but he could not. Really, if Kerrigan hadn't whiffed on a couple of easy sacks this year they would neck and neck again this year. 

 

Don't know what that really says about either guy, but I liked them both. And still do. But there was no way we could keep Orakpo. I think Kerrigan is banged up right now, and he is still very solid, just not being a real playmaker. 

[Koolblue13]

Kerrigan is an excellent player, but battling injuries.

Orakpo is an excellent player when healthy. He rarely was for us. Couldn't be counted on. Proved that and we moved on.

The two are not comparable. Orakpo being gone was the right move, as was paying Ryan.

Get over it and move on. I wish Brian the best, but hope for more from Ryan.

[pjfootballer]

We really need to stop obsessing over former players. I'd rather talk about players on the current roster and future players. Problem with our fanbase is we always want to live in the past. I've been over Rak since February when he became a free agent.

[Renegade7]

He's got a sack and forced a fumble so far. Not too shabby.

I'll admit, I turned the game off after halftime after my curiosity got quenched watching him getting "held" over and over again. I still stand by what I said, he's not elite, no regrets.

[justice98]

So the Titans defense improved with the addition of Orakpo? It also just so happens that the Redskins defense improved with the subtraction of Orakpo. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for Rak to still be here, but it's at least reassuring that we haven't felt a gaping hole since his departure.

Probably because you can't decline from zero. Rather than be reassuring, it's kinda discouraging that Smith and Murphy are having a hard time improving on a low bar.

[Taylor703]

We really need to stop obsessing over former players. I'd rather talk about players on the current roster and future players. Problem with our fanbase is we always want to live in the past. I've been over Rak since February when he became a free agent.

I'm sure every fanbase does this. I mean the guy was drafted by us, had multiple pro bowl appearances and was one of the teams most popular players. Of course some of us will be a bit curious as to how he's playing elsewhere.

[GhostofSparta]

Sure seems like the defense (team) improved with him gone...

Yeah, but don't count out the Haslett factor. Not saying Orakpo sucks or is elite, but come on, this same group would be a bottom dwelling D again with Haslett as coach.

[SkinsGuy]

He may be hurt, he may not be.

 

 

What do you mean, he may or may not be? You do keep up with the Redskins' news, don't you?

 

He had knee surgery in the offseason, and is currently playing with a broken hand.

 

Kerrigan has been a great player for the Redskins. He worked hard after his knee surgery to get ready for the season when many had doubts if he would be ready to play. He also went out of his way to find a proper caste for his broken hand so he could keep playing.

 

In both instances, he could've easily just taken time off and not played. Just kick back and enjoyed that contract you implied was his only motivation for doing well. Instead, he worked hard to be on the field.

 

I swear, sometimes I don't know what fans expect from many players, because it never seems to be enough.

[Taylor703]

What Kerrigan has given us as an first round pick has been more than enough. I'd actually prefer he didn't play and allowed his knee to heal but I appreciate everything these guys lay on the line for the fans each and every week.

[Darth Tater]

RK has not had "the game" yet this year. Of course, "the game" has only occurred once in his career. He also has had plenty of games through his career where he gets no sacks and no other plays over multiple games. Junior is more of a pass rush specialist and as I understand it is a bit of a liability against the run and is not a cover guy. Murphy is a plugger (solid but not a starter) and Smith is a rookie. Rak is better than them but not worth the money. Makes me wonder if RK was supposed to be the primary OLB in this defense. What is his sack percentage? I do only remember a couple of signature plays this year but besides not having as many of those at this point and "the game", he's about the same as he's been since he came here and by signature plays, I don't mean additional plays but plays that make you go "WOW". I would also wonder if the defense that Barry runs doesn't want the OLBs to play different than Haslett. So far, Barry seems to get a lot of his sacks and almost sacks from his lineman while Haslett got them from all over (mostly from his OLBs)

[Boss_Hogg]

I'm happy for Brian, I really am. But lets put things into perspective. He plays in the AFC South, One of the worst divisions in all of football.

 

Remember how he would have monster games against lowly teams when he played for us? Case in point are the two Raiders games (4 sacks in 2009), Yet he would constantly disapear against the NFC East, in fact I can't recall him ever getting a sack against an NFC East QB.

[Bang]

We really need to stop obsessing over former players. I'd rather talk about players on the current roster and future players. Problem with our fanbase is we always want to live in the past. I've been over Rak since February when he became a free agent.

To be fair to the guy who resurrected the thread, he didn't mention Orakpo,, he was asking why Kerrigan is getting a pass.   maybe using this thread for context or trying to find a thread it would fit before starting a new one.

 

One other mention on Orakpo though, since the comparison is implied..    Kerrigan also didn't' spend an offseason after another underwhelming season claiming that he didn't have to prove himself to anyone.

When you clearly do have to prove yourself, that'll earn some enmity.

I think if kerrigan comes back healthy and still does not provide what is expected, ESPECIALLY if Galette is doing his thing on the other end.. then questions will be warranted.

 

~Bang

[Riggo-toni]

We put the franchise tag on Orakpo last year, tying up lots of cap space to make sure we didn't let a solid homegrown player walk (as we've done all too often in the past). The result was for a 10m+ cap hit, he squeezed out half a sack before getting hurt. What was our FO supposed to do, franchise him again in hopes that this year would be different?

He was actually a very good draft pick and has already had a better career than the vastly overrated Lavar (who was picked about 10 slots higher); but this wasn't like cutting Keenan McCardell, Frank Wychek, and Rich Gannon to make room for Alvin Harper and Heath Shuler.

[RedBeast]

Brian who?

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

He was a monster his rookie season and then became less and less effective with each passing year that he was here. He left and is having a resurgence. Such is Redskins football.

[Mr. Sinister]

What do you mean, he may or may not be? You do keep up with the Redskins' news, don't you?

He had knee surgery in the offseason, and is currently playing with a broken hand.

Kerrigan has been a great player for the Redskins. He worked hard after his knee surgery to get ready for the season when many had doubts if he would be ready to play. He also went out of his way to find a proper caste for his broken hand so he could keep playing.

In both instances, he could've easily just taken time off and not played. Just kick back and enjoyed that contract you implied was his only motivation for doing well. Instead, he worked hard to be on the field.

I swear, sometimes I don't know what fans expect from many players, because it never seems to be enough.

Good for you

Hes not playing well right now.... Therefore I don't exoect a whole lot. He wasnt playing well hefore the hand injury either

Oh, and your little soap box is fine and all, but don't ****ing put words in my mouth. Never said anything about him milking his injuries

[SkinsGuy]

Good for you

Hes not playing well right now.... Therefore I don't exoect a whole lot. He wasnt playing well hefore the hand injury either

Oh, and your little soap box is fine and all, but don't ****ing put words in my mouth. Never said anything about him milking his injuries

 

 

Guys who are coming off knee surgery usually do take time to fully come back.

 

And don't twist my words. Here is what you wrote in the first paragraph of your post:

 

 

 

Last year was his best year, coincidentally his contract year.

 

 

Clearly implying Kerrigan was playing big for the contract, and is slagging off now that he has achieved it.

 

So don't bull**** me, either.

[wit33]

Yes, bringing this thread back was soley for context purposes on my end. I was sincerely wondering why not much talk has given towards the average play from the face of the defense. This was in no way to attack Kerrigan, as there's not much to not like about the guy.

His effort, commitment and accountability have nothing to do with my question of his play this far.

My question derived from seeing more than a handful of plays this year that were there to be made, but Kerrigan has failed to do so (I'm not just referencing the obvious 2 misses in the one game-- the team is slipping my mind).

Lastly, its unfortunate, because I personally feel the defense is an outside pass rusher away from being respectable (meaning average) and Kerrigan is being paid to be that guy.

[Mr. Sinister]

Guys who are coming off knee surgery usually do take time to fully come back.

 

Am I missing something? Did he drive over a land mine? I believe he had arthroscopic knee surgery, yes? Someone please give me the recovery timetable on that so I can decide to be either disappointed or complimentary that he's fighting his guts out. Seemed to not be a problem his first couple weeks, when he looked great. But naturally, now that he's not playing well, it's the knee, or the hand, or his tummy. Im sure you could come up with a very long list of ailments for every player by now.

 

 

 

 

And don't twist my words. Here is what you wrote in the first paragraph of your post:

 

Clearly implying Kerrigan was playing big for the contract, and is slagging off now that he has achieved it.

 

So don't bull**** me, either. 

 

Unless I said, that, then again, do not ****ing put words in my mouth. But this clearly  implies that you need help. It's not unusual for players to have their best season in a contract year. Doesn't mean they were loafing before, or after. Maybe some guys reach a place they can't consistently get to year in year out. At any rate, it DOESN'T MATTER, because last year was an anomaly, compared to his usual production

[SkinsGuy]

Am I missing something? Did he drive over a land mine? I believe he had arthroscopic knee surgery, yes? Someone please give me the recovery timetable on that so I can decide to be either disappointed or complimentary that he's fighting his guts out. Seemed to not be a problem his first couple weeks, when he looked great. But naturally, now that he's not playing well, it's the knee, or the hand, or his tummy. Im sure you could come up with a very long list of ailments for every player by now.

 

Knee surgery is something that takes time to get over. No one care whether that is good enough for you or not. Apparently, you expect perfection from these players every week, injuries or no injuries.

 

 

 

Unless I said, that, then again, do not ****ing put words in my mouth. But this clearly  implies that you need help. It's not unusual for players to have their best season before a contract here. Doesn't mean they were loafing before, or after. Maybe some guys reach a place they can't consistently get to year in year out. At any rate, it DOESN'T MATTER, because last year was an anomaly, compared to his usual production

 

I can say whatever I want, because that is clearly what you were saying. Don't try to back out of it now with a lot of silly profanities and insults.

 

Kerrigan is a great player for the Redskins, and this is the first time I've seen people question his heart or his motor. But like I said, it never seems to be enough for some people.

[oraphus]

Let's lump Rambo in to this thread as well. This guy is killing it for the Jets. Did we just not give him the time to grow before cutting him?

[Mr. Sinister]

I can say whatever I want, because that is clearly what you were saying. Don't try to back out of it now with a lot of silly profanities and insults.

 

 

 

Pot meet kettle, champ

 

I never back out of anything. If you would simply read what I've posted this wouldn't be a problem. Putting words in peoples mouths continuously ignoring what they've refuted (with a clear explanation as to their reasoning) and basically calling them a liar is insulting too, which you continue to do. I don't give a damn what you think I "Clearly" said, or "Implied". Its all there for anyone who isn't dyslexic, to see.

 

 

But your next post shows why there's been such a failure to communicate:

 

 

 

Kerrigan is a great player for the Redskins,

 

Um, no, he is not. Certainly not right now. Maybe last year. I'd be inclined to give you that. Not '11-'13. As much as you may be disgusted with everyone who acts like "No player is ever good enough", the flipside of that stupidity, is constantly overrating your own players. Nothing about him screams "Great." At all. Good - very good, yes. Great? No, just no. 

 

and this is the first time I've seen people question his heart or his motor. But like I said, it never seems to be enough for some people.

 

 

 

 

I did neither (I even explained in my FIRST POST that he gives great effort.... Im gonna guess you missed that, or ignored it in your quest to defend his honor on a message board), I don't see anyone else who did. But thank you for saving me further time of figuring out exactly what is going on with you.

[SkinsGuy]

Pot meet kettle, champ

 

I never back out of anything. If you would simply read what I've posted this wouldn't be a problem read. Putting words in peoples mouths continuously ignoring what they've refuted (with a clear explanation as to their reasoning) and basically calling them a liar is insulting too, which you continue to do. I don't give a damn what you think I "Clearly" said, or "Implied". Its all there for anyone who isn't dyslexic, to see.

 

 

It is there everyone to see. You are the one who brought up his contract. Not me.

 

 

Um, no, he is not. Certainly not right now. Maybe last year. I'd be inclined to give you that. Not '11-'13. As much as you may be disgusted with everyone who acts like "No player is ever good enough", the flipside of that stupidity, is constantly overrating your own players. Nothing about him screams "Great." At all. Good - very good, yes. Great? No, just no. 

 

 

He is a great player. Just because he is going through a down time with knee and hand injuries doesn't diminish the player he is.

 

I did neither (I even explained in my FIRST POST that he gives great effort.... Im gonna guess you missed that, or ignored it in your quest to defend his honor on a message board), I don't see anyone else who did. But thank you for saving me further time of figuring out exactly what is going on with you.

 

Your childish insults at me personally are not only rule-breaking, but amusing.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

Yes, bringing this thread back was soley for context purposes on my end. I was sincerely wondering why not much talk has given towards the average play from the face of the defense. This was in no way to attack Kerrigan, as there's not much to not like about the guy.

His effort, commitment and accountability have nothing to do with my question of his play this far.

My question derived from seeing more than a handful of plays this year that were there to be made, but Kerrigan has failed to do so (I'm not just referencing the obvious 2 misses in the one game-- the team is slipping my mind).

Lastly, its unfortunate, because I personally feel the defense is an outside pass rusher away from being respectable (meaning average) and Kerrigan is being paid to be that guy.

Well, this is Kerrigan first poor season. He has the benefit of the doubt

The turn on orakpo wasn't sudden. It was gradual.

[Mr. Sinister]

Your childish insults at me personally are not only rule-breaking, but amusing.

 

Your catastrophic failure at understanding most of what I posted should be rule breaking. Wasn't that hard.

 

Thats a basic courtesy you show someone when attempting to call them out on something. Instead you wanted to get cute. Don't get mad when someone else isn't in the mood to play semantics Olympics with you