Captain Wiggles Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, ABQCOWBOY said: He may be way more effective then we think going forward. IDK. He'd have to get out of his own way in order for that to happen. I'm not sure Trump is capable of doing that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Haha, Papa Roach. I remember when Ryan talked about how he loved Rage Against the Machine and Tom Morello absolutely eviscerated him in an op-ed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABQCOWBOY Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 7 minutes ago, clietas said: He'd have to get out of his own way in order for that to happen. I'm not sure Trump is capable of doing that though. That may be, I don't know. I will say this though, what I think you will see is Tax Reform next and I don't think he's going to have a whole lot of problems there. Anybody who goes against that on the right is going to have a real problem, IMO, in their own states. Whatever he does there, to lower taxes, is going to have a really good chance of passing IMO. Dems can't stop that if the GOP is united. If the GOP isn't united on this issue, there are going to be some guys who oppose that, looking for work after the next election IMO. He's also going to point out that Taxes are much higher then they would have been, because of Obamacare, which will be true. He will then point out, that regardless of taxes being spent on Obamacare, it's still not working and it's still dying. This assumes that it actually continues on it's current path but honestly, I think it's going to. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 In fairness, he had to practice his español for his next meeting with the Secretario de Relaciones Exteriores de Mexico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 @ABQCOWBOY I think tax reform will still be a tough sell. Republicans will look to overreach again while not building a consensus. That's been my feeling since the election. They're just going to try and do to much all at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Trump is out here hoping Obamacare fails just to prove a point. If it's gonna be the law, make it better, don't openly wish for not to blow up which will hurt people. What kinda president is this? Smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Someone brought up an interesting point that as long as the Freedom Caucus continues not to budge on key issues, republicans don't really have a majority in the house and will need Dems help to get stuff passed. I totally believe democrates were ignored while trying to get this bill passed, maybe the next attempt will be a little more bipartisan. At least one can hope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 So, isn't it possible now for the republicans just to ensure that ACA fails through funding and regulations? And then blame it on a broken law? Listen, I don't favor ACA. It's a step, but one too short. We need single payer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 30 minutes ago, Springfield said: So, isn't it possible now for the republicans just to ensure that ACA fails through funding and regulations? And then blame it on a broken law? Listen, I don't favor ACA. It's a step, but one too short. We need single payer. Haven't Republicans, especially governors, been doing that already? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 I think the ACA was a big step in the right direction, but yeah, it needs tweaking/fixing. Gonna be interesting to see where it goes from here - I have very little faith in the electorate's ability to see that doing away with the mandate (and other possible moves) will be the GOP reducing the efficacy of the ACA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 I'm interested to see what happens next with their tax bill. The Freedom Caucus/Tea Party? Bat****Crazy faction are gonna be feelin' it, they have the power and they are going to be even MORE bat**** crazy next episode. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, clietas said: Haven't Republicans, especially governors, been doing that already? Yep. And I'd bet that a great many Trump voters don't know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 39 minutes ago, clietas said: Haven't Republicans, especially governors, been doing that already? They should just do whatever cause the Dems want it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, twa said: They should just do whatever cause the Dems want it? No. They should screw their own citizens, because they don't want a Democrat to get credit for helping them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFan44 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) If the ACA fails it is on the Republicans for not providing a better alternative or fixing it. They have all the power. To me the most damning thing is how quickly they 1) tried to ram something through and then 2) gave up cause this is hard. Edited March 25, 2017 by RedskinsFan44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 3 hours ago, Springfield said: So, isn't it possible now for the republicans just to ensure that ACA fails through funding and regulations? And then blame it on a broken law? Listen, I don't favor ACA. It's a step, but one too short. We need single payer. Yes that is still possible. They can decide not to fund the parts that are not mandatory and adjust regs to weaken it as well. This could hasten it's demise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbear Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 I still worry we are focusing on the wrong thing when we mention the areas with 1 or very few insurance providers. Is this area under served in terms of healthcare providers? Do the doctors and hospitals have market power to demand more regardless of what insurance says they will pay? I am not sure how a more free market for healthcare services solves the problem for these communities. I guess that is why i keep coming back to single payer as the optimal option for them. The irony is the places with the most healthcare choices seem to the only areas single payer is remotely popular. Those places it would help most dramatically wrap themselves in patriotism decrying single payer as a communist unamerican idea. Nevertheless the rest of the world's free markets have moved to single payer. Could it be the only reason we do the have si for payer is government's intervention to keep us from a more natural economic state? Irony of just late night rambles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) I don't know how you get single payer done. That may have to wait until after the 2018 midterms. Wink. Edited March 25, 2017 by Dan T. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, twa said: They should just do whatever cause the Dems want it? I thought you liked laws? Oh that's right only certain ones... Edited March 25, 2017 by clietas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 I've seen some folks floating the notion that a disgusted Trump, ticked off that the GOP wouldn't give him the Win he needed, decides to try to Make A Deal with the Democrats. And I've got to say that it's a great fantasy, the notion of Trump telling the Tea Partiers to go perform unnatural acts, and he's going to buy some Dem votes, instead. But I don't think there's a remote chance of it happening. (Even if Trump wanted to. And I don't see him wanting to.) In order for Trump to get his Win with bipartisan support, say without the Tea Party, he has to get what, 30 Dem votes, to replace the Tea Party? What's he going to add to The Deal? Mandate that Trumpcare insurance will pay for medical marijuana? Pay for abortions? Single payer? I can't imagine that there's anything Trump can put in his package that would get him 30 Dem votes, that wouldn't cost him 200 GOP votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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