nonniey Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: Um... wow, ok. That was very revealing. I'm not going to hurl any personal insults at you I guess but, man. Some of the stuff you believe to be true is off the charts absurd. Good lord. He did get the identity line right. Of course problem is Trump champions that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veryoldschool Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: All of this has been factually debunked a hundred times over, even by republicans. What makes you think any of this is valid? Change news outlets if you don't understand how the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign. The DNC media isn't going to provide you that information no matter what letters they use in their name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 hopeless. or just trolling. 2 minutes ago, Veryoldschool said: Change news outlets if you don't understand how the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign. The DNC media isn't going to provide you that information no matter what letters they use in their name. So nothing makes you think it except Fox News huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why am I Mr. Pink? Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 This thread is turning into a fox news comment section. Just cheap shots and bumper sticker thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: No no one ever said that. You said it in this thread several times. Your points are dangerously stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh8686 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, Veryoldschool said: Change news outlets if you don't understand how the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign. The DNC media isn't going to provide you that information no matter what letters they use in their name. Dude, even Trey Mr Benghazi Gowdy himself came out and said it.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/05/30/on-fox-news-rep-trey-gowdy-and-andrew-napolitano-dismantle-trumps-spygate-theories/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31b5fcd3017a Quote But in an unusual shift Tuesday, three voices on Fox News pushed back against the president’s most recent conspiracy theory. A Fox News guest, commentator and anchor all rebuked claims from the president and his allies that the FBI planted a “spy” in his campaign in an effort to undercut his candidacy. Outgoing Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), the House Oversight Committee chairman and a Trump supporter, said in an interview on Fox that the FBI was justified in using a secret informant to assist in the Russia investigation. Gowdy, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, attended a classified Justice Department briefing last week on the FBI’s use of the confidential source, identified as Stefan A. Halper. “President Trump himself in the Comey memos said if anyone connected with my campaign was working with Russia, I want you to investigate it, and it sounds to me like that is exactly what the FBI did,” Gowdy told host Martha MacCallum. “I think when the president finds out what happened, he is going to be not just fine, he is going to be glad that we have an FBI that took seriously what they heard. I am even more convinced that the FBI did exactly what my fellow citizens would want them to do when they got the information they got, and that it has nothing to do with Donald Trump,” Gowdy said. Asked about the president’s tweets on the subject, Gowdy added that such statements could be subject to questioning by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III. “If I were his lawyer, and I never will be, I would tell him to rely on his lawyers and his [communications] folks,” he said. Asked to respond to Gowdy’s remarks, a Fox News commentator known for defending the president also cast doubt on Trump’s claims. Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano (better known and often quoted by Trump as Judge Napolitano) said claims that the FBI placed an undercover spy on Trump’s campaign “seem to be baseless.” “There is no evidence for that whatsoever,” Napolitano said. The fact that the FBI source spoke with “people on the periphery of the campaign,” he said, “is standard operating procedure in intelligence gathering and in criminal investigations.” Or how about Shepard Smith from the libtard echo chamber of network called Fox news?https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2018/06/07/shepard-smith-fox-news-can-confirm-we-have-no-evidence-any-spies-trump-campaign/220393 "The media are not against them. In most cases the media are trying for facts. And the media often have to say, "What you just said isn't true. Here's what is true." They had reason to believe, they had reason to believe, that members of team Trump may have been colluding with the Russians. Why do they believe that? Well, they had lots of reasons. One of them is the meeting in Trump Tower, where they were doing exactly what they said what they were doing. Therefore there was an informant put in there to try to find out, holy heck, are the Russians interfering in the election? That's what the informant -- there was not a spy on anybody. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, nonniey said: He did get the identity line right. Of course problem is Trump champions that as well. Well the entire GOP is identity politics now but the identity isn't race or religion... it's GOP. They have cultivated a tribalistic mentality in their base to the point where they can get away with damn near anything because the bottom line for their base is "Liberals are the enemy & I want my side to win". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, visionary said: Let's not jump to conclusions here. They didn't say both were the same, just that it was an example of voter suppression, which it can be. I don't think that's in any way a Democrat only thing though, especially these days with all the crazy Republican candidates out there. It is not an example of voter suppression. Suppress is a verb. It is an action. It means you are doing something to prevent something from happening. Putting to an end A negative ad is at best passive. You can ignore an ad. You cannot ignore a law. Does a negative ad deter people from voting? Sure, it can. But you know what does 100% of the time? Passing legislation. By saying, "Democrats do the same thing because they run negative ads," you are saying a negative ad is the same as passing legislation. I am really embarrassed for a few of you that this has to be explained, but many posters make points that are dangerously stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veryoldschool Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: hopeless. or just trolling. So nothing makes you think it except Fox News huh? There ya go! Tune to hear all about it or maybe will learn something from the FBI IG report but if you only listen to DNC news you'll never hear about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 15 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: All of this has been factually debunked a hundred times over, even by republicans. What makes you think any of this is valid? The easy way around this lunacy is that all of those Republicans are also deep state shills. It can't be that Trump has always been a deeply corrupt and compromised individual. It's everyone else who is the bad guy. Not the morally depraved asshole these people are kissing butt for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: You said it in this thread several times. Your points are dangerously stupid. No, I didn’t. I was asked how democrats suppress vote. That is one of the ways. I never said it was equivalent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veryoldschool Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 minute ago, BenningRoadSkin said: It is not an example of voter suppression. Suppress is a verb. It is an action. It means you are doing something to prevent something from happening. Putting to an end A negative ad is at best passive. You can ignore an ad. You cannot ignore a law. Does a negative ad deter people from voting? Sure, it can. But you know what does 100% of the time? Passing legislation. By saying, "Democrats do the same thing because they run negative ads," you are saying a negative ad is the same as passing legislation. I am really embarrassed for a few of you that this has to be explained, but many posters make points that are dangerously stupid. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/17/cincinnati-illegal-voting/2530119/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 31 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Imagine saying “negative ads is comparable to passing laws that scrub people from voter rolls.” And really believing that. It’s dangerously stupid and yet I am realizing most conservative Americans are dangerously stupid. I was gonna warn him/her that if you're quoted a bunch, it's usually not a good thing. Meh...I'm feeling adventurous. Popcorn gif. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Veryoldschool said: I agree, 1968 was probably even worse but we are a bitterly divided country. Are you referring to the Resist movement that is bent on obstructing even Trump initiative and ascribe Trump's victory to some bogus Russian conspiracy? Maybe you should listen to an old-school leftie explain the legitimacy of Trump's election. What party courts votes by identity? Which party advocates discrimination on the basis of race? The would be the Democrats which if they were honest would call themselves the Raceacrats. Are talking about how the Raceacrats weaponization of the IRS and the FBI? You must be talking about the leftist attacks on Fox News, remember Faux News? After the wikileak news media and DNC e-mails were disclosed there is no doubt that the networks other than Fox are in the tank for the Racecrats. Mueller has had 2 years in all that time I've seen no evidence that Trump conspired with the Russians although we have seen a lot of evidence that the FBI and other parts of the Deep State that conspired against Trump. I am eager to see the IG report and see if there are more legal referrals. Standard Talk Radio/Fox News talking points. Fox News main programming is just opinion. Just like MSNBC is. Fox News is basically a propaganda outlet for Donald Trump and the GOP. Fox News is actually dictating what policy is made in the U.S. as our President is to stupid to think on his own. So, he has daily talks with his chief propagandist- Sean Hannity and then seeks reassurance or decide what to do, with his Fox & Friends buddies. It doesn't mattter what Trump agrees to, unless Hannity and Fox & Friends approves; he won't stick with anything he agrees to. As for the Mueller investigation, that will play itself out. Your whining about the Mueller investigation going off in tangents; you don't think it should. I think as he digs deeper, he's finding more and more things out. If Trump is purely innocent; then he has nothing to worry about. He's not acting that way. I bet you weren't complaining about how long the Whitewater Investigation took or the fact, they found nothing related to that. All, Ken Star could do; was get Clinton for lying under oath about a blowjob. Something that happened 2 years after he became president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh8686 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 27 minutes ago, Veryoldschool said: There ya go! Tune to hear all about it or maybe will learn something from the FBI IG report but if you only listen to DNC news you'll never hear about it. I noticed you haven't responded yet to people actually from Fox News who are debunking your talking point. What is your response to people like Shepard Smith, Napolitano, or Trey Gowdy? Are they now part of the deep state too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, Fresh8686 said: I noticed you haven't responded yet to people actually from Fox News who are debunking your talking point. What is your response to people like Shepard Smith, Napolitano, or Trey Gowdy? Are they now part of the deep state too? Trey Gowdy is a member of the Deep State. Benghazi was a open and shut case. Gowdy mucked it up for so long. If we had someone fair like Judge Jeanine Pirro then Hilary would be in Alcatraz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 51 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: No, I didn’t. I was asked how democrats suppress vote. That is one of the ways. I never said it was equivalent. It’s not voter suppression. You don’t know what the word suppress means. 45 minutes ago, Veryoldschool said: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/17/cincinnati-illegal-voting/2530119/ Friends, racists are often illogical, irrational, and not deep thinking. we are talking about what voter suppression is VeryOldSchoolRacist posts a link about someone voting illegally. 37 minutes ago, skinsmarydu said: I was gonna warn him/her that if you're quoted a bunch, it's usually not a good thing. Meh...I'm feeling adventurous. Popcorn gif. ? These people are dangerously uneducated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheGreatBuzz Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 @Veryoldschool I would be curious to hear your thoughts in the society playing out thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Veryoldschool said: I don't know what to think of Putin. I grew up with the Soviet Union and watched with baited breath when Boris Yeltsin climbed up on that tank and seemed to ward off chaos and provide hope as the Soviet Union fell. In the intervening years, I have wanted to see democracy take root but I have been always fearful that democracy there would collapse like the ill-conceived Weimar Republic in Germany and a new dictator and tyrant would supplant the infant democracy before it had a chance to take root and Russia would grow more dangerous than ever. At this point, I don't know if Putin is the tyrant I feared or the rough and ready patriot that is tough enough to save the young state from a real tyrant as the infant democracy develops. I have listened to some of his speeches on nationalism and culture and they intrigue me. He argues that the Soviet Union's socialism and atheism deeply damaged the Russian Orthodox culture and he says he wants to revitalize the Russian Orthodox church and heal their culture. This aspect of Putin is very appealing to me and if he can reenergize their churches I think it will help Russia heal their culture and that would also help democracy flourish and Russian could play a more positive role. Is Putin sincere about this? I don't have a clue but I hope so and I hope the Russian people succeed. Putin is a thug that will murder political opponents in the street and he would love to watch the US and Europe crumble. It’s astonishing that more and more of the GOP look the other way. Putin is an enemy of democracy and the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veryoldschool Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 28 minutes ago, Fresh8686 said: I noticed you haven't responded yet to people actually from Fox News who are debunking your talking point. What is your response to people like Shepard Smith, Napolitano, or Trey Gowdy? Are they now part of the deep state too? Imagine how you would feel if the NSA had been intercepting calls of people in the Obama campaign and an RNC funded "intelligence" report was used by the Bush era FBI to trigger FISA warrants and the Bush administration DOJ got an investigation going by the same Republican partisan FBI crew that whitewashed the Republican presential nominee's misuse of highly classified information including TS SCI and TS SAP information in a home brew email system and the special counsel loaded up is staff with Republican donor lawyers and kept up a steady drip of leaks going to RNC media for over a year. I think the whole business would seem so corrupt you would want a full investigation by a new special prosecutor with a grand jury to get to the bottom if it and casual comments in the media would not provide any solace. Raceacrats are convinced without a shred of proof that Trump conspired with Putin but the the town is awash with the stench of rot and corruption in the DOJ, FBI and IC and like Sargent Schultz of old you see nothing. Meeting on in the AG's jet was a casual meet and greet nothing to see here. Immunity deals handed out to all of Clinton's aides so they couldn't be prosecuted, no problem. Comey drafts his exoneration letter for Clinton even before she is interviewed, big deal. The Clinton interview is not under oath, no notes or transcript is available no problem, the law is for others not the Raceacrats. You whoulf be fit to be tied if the Republicans did this and rightfully so but since it was your party abusing power you don't care. You Alinskites are all the same, the ends justify the means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Why do Trump supporters often love to give credit to Democrats and 'lefties' for Republicans hard work? It's extremely frustrating and disingenuous, if not willfully ignorant.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 33 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: These people are dangerously uneducated. You ain't kidding. Good grief. Not long after I joined ES, I got into a debate about Bill Clinton's impeachment. I was mistaken about the difference between impeachment and censure. It only took about an hour (!) before I realized just how hard you gotta study to keep up with folks around here, PhDs, attorneys in almost every specialty, auto mechanics, medical reps, contractors, etc....not to mention our service members, their families, veterans, and just those of us still *waiting*...there's plenty of folks who will help without judgment. If there weren't, I wouldn't have hung around. Don't know if that's good or bad, but it's where we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 What will be NK demands for giving up their Nucs? I'm sure it will be aid. I'm kinda of tired of the U.S dumping money into these 3rd world countries like Afghanistan and others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veryoldschool Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hersh said: Putin is a thug that will murder political opponents in the street and he would love to watch the US and Europe crumble. It’s astonishing that more and more of the GOP look the other way. Putin is an enemy of democracy and the US. You may be right. I think it is certainly true Putin is interested in busting up the post Cold War new world order that he feels has cornered and reduced Russia. As I said, I said I don't know of Putin is the tyrant I feared that would take over Russia or a more benign strong man that is protecting a weak democratic state. I don't want the new world order. I want economic nationalism to enrich blue collar America and the US to mind its own business and get out of Asia and the Middle East. We have been meddling across the globe for 100 years and I am sick of it. I want the American people to care for ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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