Fresh8686 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: Well. I think the deep state does exist. Just not in some evil conspiracy sort of way. If you a president running the country for 8 years, a lot of the people who are going to choose to work for the government, eg, get hired, are going to be like-minded. But Clinton, Bush, And Obama had to deal with the “deep state” just as much as Trump has had to, so its no excuse. I think both parties collude, work around the edges of race baiting, try to suppress unfriendly votes, ect. Anyone who thinks thier party isn’t guilty is fooling themselves. It’s just this time the republicans were far better at it than the democrats. Have you ever heard of a concept called institutional loyalty? Do you realize, that a lot people in government are way more beholden to the institution underpinning the health and integrity of our country than either political party? It boggles my mind that so many fail to consider that there are actually people who care about this country more than either party. **** both the democrats and republicans if they can't abide by the principles that underpin a healthy and informed democracy. My loyalty is to principle not to party and always has been. Before you paint everyone in government with that tainted brush of false equivalency and then laud republicans for "playing the game better" just realize you are giving props to people for corrupting the best of what our country stands for and dismissing those good people who are just trying to keep some semblance of order and decency, before these assholes prostitute it all away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veryoldschool Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 13 minutes ago, Hersh said: What do you think of Vladimir Putin? I don't know what to think of Putin. I grew up with the Soviet Union and watched with baited breath when Boris Yeltsin climbed up on that tank and seemed to ward off chaos and provide hope as the Soviet Union fell. In the intervening years, I have wanted to see democracy take root but I have been always fearful that democracy there would collapse like the ill-conceived Weimar Republic in Germany and a new dictator and tyrant would supplant the infant democracy before it had a chance to take root and Russia would grow more dangerous than ever. At this point, I don't know if Putin is the tyrant I feared or the rough and ready patriot that is tough enough to save the young state from a real tyrant as the infant democracy develops. I have listened to some of his speeches on nationalism and culture and they intrigue me. He argues that the Soviet Union's socialism and atheism deeply damaged the Russian Orthodox culture and he says he wants to revitalize the Russian Orthodox church and heal their culture. This aspect of Putin is very appealing to me and if he can reenergize their churches I think it will help Russia heal their culture and that would also help democracy flourish and Russian could play a more positive role. Is Putin sincere about this? I don't have a clue but I hope so and I hope the Russian people succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 33 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: If anyone wants to get in on my Sunday afternoon takraw league, hit me up. I wouldn't drive to Dallas to watch a ant eat a bale of hay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh8686 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Zguy28 said: Liberals will say he is unstable, conservatives will say "see, he is willing to change his mind", I will say he likes applause and its just more art of the deal shenanigans. https://reason.com/blog/2018/06/08/trump-to-kneeling-nfl-players-tell-me-wh You're falling for the hustle if you believe what he said about those players. All abusers and gas-lighters do what he's doing. He's doing it with the democrats on DACA and separating families at the border as well. "If only the democrats or chuck and nancy would come to the table. We could end this horrible policy" while all the while failing to mention that he's the mother****er who ramped it up to begin with. This is one of his patterns. He insults and demeans you and then later goes out in public and wonders why you won't work together with him to fix a problem he either created or exacerbated. His whole focus is about manipulating the narrative, rather than doing anything substantive, because he's an abusive, ****ing liar and con-man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, No Excuses said: To Russia and China, he bends over backwards with a bottle of lube in his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CousinsCowgirl84 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Quote Point out what the Dems do to suppress the vote. Please. gerrymandering and negative ads suppress the vote. Look at what the democrats are doing in California to ensure only democrats are elected their, that suppressed the vote.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, Veryoldschool said: I don't know what to think of Putin. I grew up with the Soviet Union and watched with baited breath when Boris Yeltsin climbed up on that tank and seemed to ward off chaos and provide hope as the Soviet Union fell. In the intervening years, I have wanted to see democracy take root but I have been always fearful that democracy there would collapse like the ill-conceived Weimar Republic in Germany and a new dictator and tyrant would supplant the infant democracy before it had a chance to take root and Russia would grow more dangerous than ever. At this point, I don't know if Putin is the tyrant I feared or the rough and ready patriot that is tough enough to save the young state from a real tyrant as the infant democracy develops. I have listened to some of his speeches on nationalism and culture and they intrigue me. He argues that the Soviet Union's socialism and atheism deeply damaged the Russian Orthodox culture and he says he wants to revitalize the Russian Orthodox church and heal their culture. This aspect of Putin is very appealing to me and if he can reenergize their churches I think it will help Russia heal their culture and that would also help democracy flourish and Russian could play a more positive role. Is Putin sincere about this? I don't have a clue but I hope so and I hope the Russian people succeed. 3 hours ago, No Excuses said: The West has become very socially liberal over the past two decades and the conservative response has been to turn towards authoritarianism because their ideas and views truly suck. Putin’s rule over Russia is really the American conservative establishments dream. An oligarchy propped up by support from those who would surrender their economic freedom in return for social conservativism. Well, damn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Zguy28 said: What the heck is pickleball? I'm almost afraid to google it. It's cool as heck. Hubby & I watch a lot of tennis, it's a faster version of doubles with a couple different rules. Waited on a lady the other day with a pickleball league shirt on, of course we chatted. Check it out. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 18 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: you are learning You know I try pretty hard to give people the benefit of a doubt but at a certain point you have to call a spade a spade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: gerrymandering and negative ads suppress the vote. Look at what the democrats are doing in California to ensure only democrats are elected their, that suppressed the vote.. I will regret this, but do you have examples? And negative ads =\= creating laws to make people not vote. That should be common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 23 minutes ago, Fresh8686 said: Have you ever heard of a concept called institutional loyalty? Do you realize, that a lot people in government are way more beholden to the institution underpinning the health and integrity of our country than either political party? It boggles my mind that so many fail to consider that there are actually people who care about this country more than either party. **** both the democrats and republicans if they can't abide by the principles that underpin a healthy and informed democracy. My loyalty is to principle not to party and always has been. Before you paint everyone in government with that tainted brush of false equivalency and then laud republicans for "playing the game better" just realize you are giving props to people for corrupting the best of what our country stands for and dismissing those good people who are just trying to keep some semblance of order and decency, before these assholes prostitute it all away. It’s not that they are necessarily loyal to a party. But that a president inspired them to work for the government. So they have certain beliefs. For example, someone who was hired by the EPA under Obama’s administration isn’t going to be thrilled about Trumps no ****s given epa.... 3 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: I will regret this, but do you have examples? And negative ads =\= creating laws to make people not vote. That should be common sense. No, it isn’t the same but it does suppress the vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 14 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: gerrymandering and negative ads suppress the vote. Look at what the democrats are doing in California to ensure only democrats are elected their, that suppressed the vote.. Negative ads?!? Now that’s some white privilege. The whitest, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh8686 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: It’s not that they are necessarily loyal to a party. But that a president inspired them to work for the government. So they have certain beliefs. For example, someone who was hired by the EPA under Obama’s administration isn’t going to be thrilled about Trumps no ****s given epa.... No, it isn’t the same but it does suppress the vote. Would you mind giving me an example where the variable offered from Trump's administration doesn't involve destroying the very institution they were trusted to oversee? That kind of example flies in the face of institutional loyalty and invalidates your argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 36 minutes ago, No Excuses said: Only to our allies are we “America ****!”. To Russia and China, he bends over backwards with a bottle of lube in his hands. Basically, the difference is that to our allies we use the term to refer to them. With our enemies, we refer to ourselves. "We're America, ****!" It's quite versatile, if you think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veryoldschool Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 minute ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: It’s not that they are necessarily loyal to a party. But that a president inspired them to work for the government. So they have certain beliefs. For example, someone who was hired by the EPA under Obama’s administration isn’t going to be thrilled about Trumps no ****s given epa.... Unhappy environmentalists in EPA are not the issue or my concern. Spies embedded in the Trump presidential campaign, the NSA, FBI, DOJ and other elements of the IC weaponized and used to discredit a new president is of grave concern. I want their heads and I don't understand why Trump is relying on the FBI IG who may also be compromised to sort this out. Trump should have gotten Sessions to appoint an aggressive Special Counsel to pursue this Deep State corruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Just now, Fresh8686 said: Would you mind giving me an example where the variable offered from Trump's administration doesn't involve destroying the very institution they were trusted to oversee? That kind of example flies in the face of institutional loyalty and invalidates your argument. I would like too but I can’t. 3 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said: Negative ads?!? Now that’s some white privilege. The whitest, I think. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_campaigning look down to “risks and consequences”. There are a few papers written about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: No, it isn’t the same but it does suppress the vote. I knew I would regret it. You pulled that statement out of your ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 6 hours ago, The Evil Genius said: November is a strong indicator of what will happen in 2020. If the blue wave comes (as expected and predicted), Trump's paranoia (and bigotry) will be intetesting to watch. It will also spell his end. Not necessarily. 2010 GOP wins the House and if it wasn't for some loony candidate; would've won the Senate. 2012, Obama wins reelection. If the economy is doing well in 2020, Trump will be hard to beat. All those people who voted for him, will do so again and it's possible some more people may vote for him. As for the Blue Wave this year, that remains to be seen. We won't know until the Fall. I don't have confidence there will be wave. The so call wave, may have already crested. You can bet that Trump and GOP will do something this fall, to ensure the Trumpsters and base GOPers come out this fall. Despite the early good turnout in the primaries, will they be motivated to come out in the fall. You are going to need Presidential Year turnout to beat the GOP; not sure that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Imagine saying “negative ads is comparable to passing laws that scrub people from voter rolls.” And really believing that. It’s dangerously stupid and yet I am realizing most conservative Americans are dangerously stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: I would like too but I can’t. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_campaigning look down to “risks and consequences”. There are a few papers written about it. “Some strategists say”, lulz. Negative ads are not active suppression of voting rights and to suggest as much is insulting and moronic. Get real, “cowgirl”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 minute ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Imagine saying “negative ads is comparable to passing laws that scrub people from voter rolls.” And really believing that. It’s dangerously stupid and yet I am realizing most conservative Americans are dangerously stupid. No no one ever said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 minute ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Imagine saying “negative ads is comparable to passing laws that scrub people from voter rolls.” And really believing that. It’s dangerously stupid and yet I am realizing most conservative Americans are dangerously stupid. It boggles the mind. 7 minutes ago, Veryoldschool said: Unhappy environmentalists in EPA are not the issue or my concern. Spies embedded in the Trump presidential campaign, the NSA, FBI, DOJ and other elements of the IC weaponized and used to discredit a new president is of grave concern. I want their heads and I don't understand why Trump is relying on the FBI IG who may also be compromised to sort this out. Trump should have gotten Sessions to appoint an aggressive Special Counsel to pursue this Deep State corruption. This chick drank ALL the Baikal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, Veryoldschool said: Spies embedded in the Trump presidential campaign, the NSA, FBI, DOJ and other elements of the IC weaponized and used to discredit a new president is of grave concern. All of this has been factually debunked a hundred times over, even by republicans. What makes you think any of this is valid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 minute ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Imagine saying “negative ads is comparable to passing laws that scrub people from voter rolls.” And really believing that. It’s dangerously stupid and yet I am realizing most conservative Americans are dangerously stupid. Let's not jump to conclusions here. They didn't say both were the same, just that it was an example of voter suppression, which it can be. I don't think that's in any way a Democrat only thing though, especially these days with all the crazy Republican candidates out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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