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[Skinsinparadise]

Shows the power of personality on either extreme.  I had no idea that Daboll was that high strung, wow.

 

https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/01/15/the-truth-behind-brian-daboll-wink-martindale-mike-kafka-and-the-giants-drama/

 

On Nov. 19 at Washington’s FedEx Field in Landover, Md. the 2-8 Giants led the Commanders, 24-12, late in the fourth quarter.

Wink Martindale’s defense had forced four turnovers. Thomas McGaughey’s special teams unit had forced another. And Mike Kafka’s offense, with Tommy DeVito at quarterback, had scored two of its three touchdowns on short fields off those takeaways.

But now Washington’s offense was driving, aided by a Kayvon Thibodeaux roughing the passer penalty outside the red zone. And that’s when Brian Daboll started playing the blame game on Martindale and the defensive staff:

“You’re gonna lose this game just like you lost us the Jets game,” Daboll griped on the headset, according to numerous sources in the building.

 

Daboll was blaming the defense for the Giants’ infamous 13-10 overtime loss to the Jets on Oct. 29, in which the offense had thrown for -9 yards and Daboll’s late-game mismanagement had opened the door to a full-scale, team-wide meltdown.

...Daboll’s sideline behavior was destructive, in many coaches’ opinions. His input was never proactive, always reactionary. And his outrage was rarely accompanied by a suggested solution.  "He has no composure,” one team source said.

America saw it first-hand on Sunday Night Football Oct. 15 in Buffalo. NBC sideline reporter Melissa Stark said a “very frustrated” Daboll couldn’t answer questions at halftime because, he admitted: “My head is not in this. I cannot focus on anything right now.”

Now Schoen was monitoring the dynamic at Washington after being alerted by several meaningful parties that Daboll’s behavior and the sideline dynamic were not constructive.

Schoen would stay on the headsets for four games, sources say – against the Commanders, Patriots, Packers and Saints – before stepping back offline for the final three.

The story of the Giants’ 2023 undoing isn’t about a personal feud between Daboll and Martindale and the past, though. It’s about bad football and a flawed process that still exists inside the Giants’ walls.

It’s about an organization with enough problems that one Giants staffer recently advised an NFL assistant calling about a vacancy:

“Do not come here.”

‘OFF THE WAVE’

Daboll set an adversarial tone in August when he stared down McGaughey, his special teams coordinator, on the sideline after a Lions punt return touchdown. That public showing-up wasn’t appreciated, but Daboll’s rage was nothing new.

He’d eviscerated plenty of people in 2022, like former running backs coach DeAndre Smith, who left for the Colts last offseason. Daboll also lit into Daniel Jones twice in two years, throwing a tablet in disgust next to his quarterback after Jones’ Week 4 pick-six against the Seahawks.

Kafka, the Giants’ young offensive coordinator, however, has received the brunt of Daboll’s fury, according to numerous team sources. He is “constantly second-guessed,” a source said.

 

Daboll, who got the Giants job due to his work with Josh Allen’s Bills offense, ran a consistently hot temperature as his offense cratered beginning with a 40-0 Week 1 loss to the Cowboys. And he often took it out on his OC.

“He would make [Kafka] run the ball, and then if he called a run [Daboll] didn’t like it, he would motherf–k him,” a source said.

The Giants started 1-5 with only one offensive TD total in their first five losses. Poor O-line personnel and an annual injury problem under this athletic training staff didn’t help. They went three straight games without an offensive TD against Seattle, Miami and Buffalo in Weeks 4-6.

 

The good fortune of last season’s playoff run had worn off quickly.

“Last season it was like we were riding a wave,” one player said as the season spiraled. “And now, we’re off the wave.”

Daboll took playcalling away from Kafka multiple times, according to sources, and gave it back each time. He gave it to QB coach Shea Tierney for the second half at Dallas in Week 10, per sources.

 

Daboll’s “unpredictability,” one source said, was his defining trait. There was no pattern, rhyme or reason to his changes from others’ perspectives.

Daboll also took over Kafka’s offensive meetings in Week 7 ahead of a home game against Washington, as the Daily News first reported. And he didn’t give complete control back to Kafka until Week 11, after the offense had averaged 11.75 points during that 1-3 stretch.

 

With Kafka back at the reins, the Giants scored 24 or more points in five of their final seven games. But Daboll’s impulsive nature also reared its head in how he mismanaged game situations in losses.

His game management in last year’s divisional round in Philadelphia – going for a 4th and 8 on the Eagles’ 40-yard line while trailing 7-0 – sent a message of panic to the team and ended the 38-7 loss in the first quarter.

 

...“You’re living on the edge every week,” a source said of working for Daboll. “It makes it tough to do your job.”

WHERE IT WENT WRONG WITH WINK

There were signs from the first day of last year’s training camp that the Daboll-Martindale dynamic would not work.

When the offense struggled to start camp, Daboll allowed a perception to grow that he had tipped off the defense to play calls in order to create a challenge for Jones.

But the reality, according to sources, was that Martindale’s pressure packages were giving the offense fits. So Daboll told Martindale he was putting a limit on his blitzes for the rest of camp.

That set the tone for an offense vs. defense coaching culture that did not go in the offense’s favor, especially this season.

The defense finished with more takeaways (31) than the offense had touchdowns (25) and scored three TDs on its own. The offense scored more than 14 points only once in the Giants’ first nine games.

 

The weight of the offense’s struggles became too much for the defense during those blowout losses to the Raiders and Cowboys, the unit’s worst two games of the year.

 

“We know we have to be perfect because of the offense right now,” a defensive starter said after the Dallas game. “It’s hard.”

The handling of safety Xavier McKinney’s public criticism of the coaching staff after the Week 9 loss to the Raiders was a good window into the Daboll-Martindale rift.

 

Daboll tried to keep the fallout in-house and did not appreciate that Martindale put McKinney on blast publicly a few days later. But some viewed Daboll’s lack of public consequences for McKinney – and the subsequent leak of his displeasure with Martindale – as the head coach choosing a player over his defensive coordinator.

The outcome was that McKinney, after being held accountable, played his best football in the second half of the season.

But FOX sideline reporter Tom Rinaldi noted an extended, out-of-the-ordinary conversation between Daboll and Martindale on the sideline in Week 10 at Dallas. Then Daboll had McKinney break the team down in the winning Week 11 locker room at Washington.

 

 

...Martindale had a lot of support, as well. Captain and middle linebacker Bobby Okereke stumped the loudest, telling the News in November that losing Martindale would be “devastating,” a sentiment echoed by several players.

Some simply grew tired of hearing about the dueling coach camps.

“Too many egos,” one player said. “Too many egos.”

Ultimately, the Giants fired Martindale’s right-hand man, outside linebackers coach Drew Wilkins, and his brother Kevin on Black Monday without informing the defensive coordinator.

All that did was expedite Martindale’s plan to escape what had become an untenable, unhealthy, losing situation. Martindale blew up at Daboll, according to sources.

“Go f–k yourself,” he told Daboll, who is no stranger to that kind of language. And then Martindale left the building and the team. The Daily News first reported he was resigning.

 

[CapsSkins]

Jesus Christ, all that Giants drama is music to my ears! Glad it’s toxic up there.

[Skinsinparadise]

1 minute ago, CapsSkins said:

Jesus Christ, all that Giants drama is music to my ears! Glad it’s toxic up there.

 

Yeah that article is going to catch fire

 

The paradoy account is already on it

 

 

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[FootballZombie]

17 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

I had no idea that Daboll was that high strung, wow.

 

Wink blowing up and leaving at the end of the season makes way more sense now.

 

I didn't give it a lot of thought before but if things like this were going on in that org... yeah that was a logical endpoint.

 

 

With reports like this Dabol's seat is gonna be nuclear hot next season.

[Chris 44]

7 minutes ago, CapsSkins said:

Jesus Christ, all that Giants drama is music to my ears! Glad it’s toxic up there.

Between the Dallas drama, Giants drama and possible pending Eagles drama we looking pretty good heading into the offseason.

[AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy]

Losing brings out the stink in every organization. But it’s good to hear that Daboll is a closet nutter. Logan Paulsen will be disappointed. 

Edited January 15 by AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy

[Riggo#44]

37 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Shows the power of personality on either extreme.  I had no idea that Daboll was that high strung, wow.

 

https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/01/15/the-truth-behind-brian-daboll-wink-martindale-mike-kafka-and-the-giants-drama/

 

John Mara is a low-key terrible owner. His last name saves him from the criticism.

[KillBill26]

32 minutes ago, CapsSkins said:

Jesus Christ, all that Giants drama is music to my ears! Glad it’s toxic up there.

Giants are the new Skins.  

[RVAskins]

1 hour ago, Commander Adama said:

Have you seen that horrible Sean Taylor "statue" that was headed up by Jason Wright?

To be fair, I tend to believe the previous owner gave him a budget of $100 and some coat hangers.

[RVAskins]

4 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

I don't get the criticism.

I'm not trying to change your mind on BB. All I want to say is without Tom Brady his record is 83-104. Not that it's horrible but it's not the record of coaching genius.

 

Compare that with Joe Gibbs who had multiple QB's. In 12 years, the Gibbs-led Redskins compiled a 124-60-0 regular-season record and a 16-5 record in 21 postseason games.

Edited January 16 by RVAskins

[ANONYMOUS SOURCE.]

15 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said:

 

John Mara is a low-key terrible owner. His last name saves him from the criticism.

The only good Mara is Kate , and that’s because she’s a pretty nice looking women , in reality she’s probably crazy also 😂

Edited January 15 by ANONYMOUS SOURCE.

[method man]

I would definitely be interested in Kafka with a defensive HC. I was impressed with the job he did last year and this year with Devito and that garbage OL

[HTTRDynasty]

 

[RVAskins]

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Daboll’s sideline behavior was destructive, in many coaches’ opinions. His input was never proactive, always reactionary. And his outrage was rarely accompanied by a suggested solution.  "He has no composure,” one team source said.

HAHAHAHAHAHA...F Mara!

[Warhead36]

Giants are such a trash franchise now. Embarrassing they still keep beating us. God I wanna kick their ass so bad next year.

[Voice_of_Reason]

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Shows the power of personality on either extreme.  I had no idea that Daboll was that high strung, wow.

Is it possible all 4 teams in the NFC a east have new HCs next year?

 

If the Eagles lose tonight, 3 seems very possible.  

17 minutes ago, ANONYMOUS SOURCE. said:

The only good Mara is Kate , and that’s because she’s a pretty nice looking women , in reality she’s probably crazy also 😂

Don’t forget Roony Mara. She was great in The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.  Not as conventionally attractive as Kate though. 

[HTTRDynasty]

 

[SoCalSkins]

 

[Warhead36]

I think Quinn returns to Seattle.

[actorguy1]

 

 

[ThatNFLChick]

 

 

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[lavar1156]

 

[Andre The Giant]

 

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