Welcome To The Washington Commanders Jahan Dotson WR Penn State

[SkinsFTW]

1 hour ago, Conn said:

We’re ****ed if that’s the case. That would be an extremely disappointing outcome for a 1st round pick. 

It's still better than any of the other first round WR's over the past several decades. Probably since Monk.

 

Doctson, Gardner, Westbrook, Howard, who else?

[mhd24]

8 hours ago, SkinsFTW said:

It's still better than any of the other first round WR's over the past several decades. Probably since Monk.

 

Doctson, Gardner, Westbrook, Howard, who else?

Westbrook was hampered by Gus.  Gus was horrible.  When he had a QB (Green in 1998, Brad in 1999), he actually produced.  Westbrook had legit talent.  

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

12 hours ago, Conn said:

We’re ****ed if that’s the case. That would be an extremely disappointing outcome for a 1st round pick. 

 

He looks like he can also function as a Z.  But yeah, if he was stuck to slot, we wouldn't like the pick.

 

[Koolblue13]

36 minutes ago, Always A Commander Never A Captain said:

 

He looks like he can also function as a Z.  But yeah, if he was stuck to slot, we wouldn't like the pick.

 

I think we'll see a lot of personnel movement around all the WR2-6 spots this year.

[Mrshadow008]

37 minutes ago, Always A Commander Never A Captain said:

 

He looks like he can also function as a Z.  But yeah, if he was stuck to slot, we wouldn't like the pick.

 

If hes simply Jamison Crowder then yeah we messed up. However playing from the slot doesnt mean he will be a disappointment. For example Tyler Lockett takes over 60% of his snaps from the slot. If Dotson gives you Lockett production is anyone really gonna care where he takes his snaps from?

[Conn]

It wasn’t really the slot designation that triggered me on that comparison lol it was how limited Crowder was. He was great…for a drafted 4th round gem. In the grand scheme he was just okay as a player. Some of the best players in the league spend a lot of time exploiting defenses from the slot, so that wasn’t really my issue with it 

[Mrshadow008]

21 minutes ago, Conn said:

It wasn’t really the slot designation that triggered me on that comparison lol it was how limited Crowder was. He was great…for a drafted 4th round gem. In the grand scheme he was just okay as a player. Some of the best players in the league spend a lot of time exploiting defenses from the slot, so that wasn’t really my issue with it 

Yeah I agree with you on the Crowder comparison if thats the case we really screwed the pooch. i was more responding to the "stuck in the slot" comment by @Always A Commander Never A Captain

[duffy]

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/commanders/commanders-wr-jahan-dotson-trying-be-sponge-during-his-first-otas?cid=sm_npd_rsn_dc_twt_mn

[The Rook]

7 hours ago, mhd24 said:

Westbrook was hampered by Gus.  Gus was horrible.  When he had a QB (Green in 1998, Brad in 1999), he actually produced.  Westbrook had legit talent.  

 

Westbrook was a headcase and often injured. Regardless of his QB, he only averaged 3-4 catches a game.  Also remember when he refused to watch tape because "he didn't need to".

 

I do remember he did have a good career in marital arts after football.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dark Acre]

1 hour ago, The Rook said:

Westbrook was a headcase and often injured. Regardless of his QB, he only averaged 3-4 catches a game.  Also remember when he refused to watch tape because "he didn't need to".

In 1999, headcase 1 (Westbrook) and headcase 2 (Connell) had 1,191 and 1,132 receiving yards respectively.  Kind of astonishing when you think about it.  That's certainly the best WR tandem production on this team since then and probably since 1991.

[The Rook]

3 hours ago, Dark Acre said:

In 1999, headcase 1 (Westbrook) and headcase 2 (Connell) had 1,191 and 1,132 receiving yards respectively.  Kind of astonishing when you think about it.  That's certainly the best WR tandem production on this team since then and probably since 1991.

 

You sure are right about that thief Connell - another goof ball.

 

 

 

 

 

The Rook

[KillBill26]

I could care less about Dotsons stats or yardage total. 

 

If everyone is healthy:

 

Terry will put up solid #s no doubt. 

Samuels will get a decent amount of touches. 

Gibson and JD McK will get a healthy share of grabs. 

Brown and Sims can be as productive as any 4 or 5 in the league. 

And we should have a respectable running game. 

 

So its very possible Dotson is a great pick by showing us his versatility, solid hands, ability to go up and get it, and make clutch catches, and still have rather pedestrian stats.   If our offense is clicking like we all hope, that's a lot of mouths to feed! 

 

I think those that watch the games will be happy with Dotson, those that only read the box scores may be disappointed.

Edited May 26, 2022 by KillBill26

[Skinsinparadise]

 

In February, on the shaded sideline of a field in Phoenix, Jahan Dotson may have heard something he didn’t like. A tour guide was showing a visitor around the campus of Exos, a high-end athletic performance center where many NFL prospects train for the combine.

 

“There’s Garrett Wilson,” the guide said, pointing at the Ohio State wideout stretching across the field. “He’s going to be the number one receiver in the draft.”

Nearby, a group of wide receivers groused. “Man, I’m not trying to hear that,” one grumbled. Another waved his hand, dismissing the comment. Dotson, if he heard, didn’t react — except to walk away and toward the next drill. Told this story later, trainer Nic Hill thought it was classic Dotson, whom he nicknamed “the silent assassin.”

 

In the 12 weeks Dotson was at Exos, Hill learned the calm, steady, dragonfly-fast wide receiver didn’t need to be praised or challenged or cajoled. During 40-yard dash practice — a big, raucous spectacle with thunderous beats and staccato shouting — Dotson was often subdued and at the back of the line. Hill noticed Dotson was at his best when he appeared withdrawn.

 

“You see him get focused and kind of glass over the eyes,” Hill said. “It’s like: ‘Okay, that’s what I want to see. That’s what I need to see.’ That calm confidence — you know he’s about to go off.”

In Dotson, 22, the Washington Commanders seem to have a mature, polished wideout who’s ready to produce. He was the 16th draft pick — and, as it turned out, the fifth wide receiver taken. While analysts have concerns about his size (5-foot-11, 182 pounds) and strength, they also gush about his hands (“Best in the draft,” said NFL Network’s Daniel Jeremiah) and catch radius (“Maybe the largest . . . of any sub-5-foot-11 receiver I have ever scouted,” wrote Dane Brugler of the Athletic).

 

In the Commanders’ offense, Dotson’s skill set figures to be valuable with a big-armed, imprecise quarterback in Carson Wentz. Offensive coordinator Scott Turner could move him around the formation with other versatile weapons such as Curtis Samuel, Terry McLaurin and Antonio Gibson.

 

“We have really big expectations for [Dotson],” General Manager Martin Mayhew said. “He’s going to fit right in to what we’re doing offensively.”

 

In a way, Dotson has been preparing for this his whole life. When he was 3 or 4, he said, he went to the park with his older cousins to play catch — and one of them forced him to do 10 push-ups for each drop.

“I got tired of that real quick,” Dotson deadpanned.

 

In the late 2000s, Dotson’s parents, Al and Robin, moved from East Orange, N.J., to the small town of Nazareth, Pa., to raise Jahan and his brother Al in a safer environment. They commuted to New Jersey every day for work — more than an hour each way — as Jahan became a standout athlete, including in track and basketball. But every day, from bed to school to field, he always seemed to be carrying a football.

“It was always football,” Robin said, smiling.

Early in his senior year, Dotson committed to UCLA. But Josh Gattis, then the passing game coordinator at Penn State, said he heard Dotson might be interested in staying closer to home. Even though Dotson was “kind of frail,” Gattis said, he was a complete receiver. Not only was he an elite athlete — jumping, body control, ball skills — he was smart. He had a game plan to beat the defense and executed it with crisp routes. Dotson’s stats were gaudy, too.

 

“The buzz that he was creating through the eastern part of [Pennsylvania] was tremendous,” Gattis said.

That fall, Penn State finished 11-2 and won the Big Ten and the Fiesta Bowl behind running back Saquon Barkley, who once starred at a high school not far from Dotson’s in the Lehigh Valley. Those factors — the program’s renaissance and a local hero’s rise, as well as the departures of three top wideouts — made it easy for Dotson to flip his commitment to Penn State after UCLA fired coach Jim Mora.

 

In State College, Dotson ascended each season despite having three receivers coaches in four years. After his junior year, when he had 52 catches for 884 yards and eight touchdowns in nine games of the pandemic-shortened season, he could have left for the NFL. But he said he was too young, he wasn’t ready and it “wasn’t a very hard decision” to stay in school.

 

In 2021, Dotson worked with the same position coach in consecutive seasons for the first time in at least seven years. Taylor Stubblefield, that receivers coach, believed Dotson could make another leap because of his competitive streak. Once, while hosting a dinner at his house, Stubblefield saw it distilled as Dotson and Stubblefield’s son, Jagger, invented a game in which they threw balls at the family dog bed in the distance. (Jagger won two of three, Stubblefield said.)

 

In the team facility, Dotson asked for hard coaching. In Dotson’s senior year, Stubblefield focused on his footwork, his ability to disguise routes and his versatility. The coach delved into the nuances of looking for clues to the defense’s plan through the “DED” of a defensive back — depth, eyes, demeanor — and reminded Dotson of what it meant to be a professional by repeating the expression, “Don’t leave your paycheck on the table.”

“If you have an opportunity to make a play, that’s your opportunity to get paid,” he said. “Whether it’s working to an area that the defense isn’t there or whether it’s that hard, dirty, grinding route where the [defensive back] plays it perfectly and you got to make a great play — no matter what the situation is, be able to get paid.”

 

By the end of the year, Dotson had compiled one of the best seasons in Penn State history with 91 catches for 1,182 yards and 12 touchdowns. The Nittany Lions also used him out of the backfield and on passing trick plays, where he completed both attempts for a total of 43 yards.

Before the draft, Dotson focused on honing his speed and adding strength. Hill, the Exos trainer, said the company’s analysis recommended he play at about 183 pounds. And when Dotson arrived at the Commanders’ facility for the first time in late April, he arrived holding a football.

 

 

In his few Washington news conferences so far, Dotson has seemed businesslike. He compared learning the playbook — familiar concepts with new verbiage — to English and Spanish, that it’ll just take a little time. But one of the few subjects to prompt a more emotional response is his family.

 

“Having my parents there by my side, that was big to me,” he said during his introductory news conference in front of Al and Robin. “Reflecting on my young childhood days, there was a lot of sacrifice that led to this moment and a lot of hard work — just thinking about all those times where things weren’t always so pretty. But at the end of the day, we made it happen, and we got to this moment.”

And now, Dotson said, he’s intent on making the most of it.

Edited May 31, 2022 by Skinsinparadise

[NewCliche21]

On 5/25/2022 at 5:46 PM, Dark Acre said:

In 1999, headcase 1 (Westbrook) and headcase 2 (Connell) had 1,191 and 1,132 receiving yards respectively.  Kind of astonishing when you think about it.  That's certainly the best WR tandem production on this team since then and probably since 1991.

 

Ugh, I still wonder what would've happened for Moss if he ever had a #2.

[Rex Tomb]

3 minutes ago, NewCliche21 said:

 

Ugh, I still wonder what would've happened for Moss if he ever had a #2.

Didn’t Santana play with Garçon and Jackson? Or was that a year or two later. Regardless, Santana broke the team’s single season receiving record.

[Captain James]

28 minutes ago, Rex Tomb said:

Didn’t Santana play with Garçon and Jackson? Or was that a year or two later. Regardless, Santana broke the team’s single season receiving record.

I believe Tana was already the "old man" by the time he played with them. Fun crew though.

[NewCliche21]

2 hours ago, Rex Tomb said:

Didn’t Santana play with Garçon and Jackson? Or was that a year or two later. Regardless, Santana broke the team’s single season receiving record.

 

Yeah, but that was way after his prime. I don't even think he was starting 2012 onwards. Hard to remember he was already in the league 4 years before we got him.

[Warhead36]

46 minutes ago, NewCliche21 said:

 

Yeah, but that was way after his prime. I don't even think he was starting 2012 onwards. Hard to remember he was already in the league 4 years before we got him.

Moss's last year here was 2014, so he did technically play with Garcon and Jackson. But Jackson was hurt a bunch that year and Moss was clearly well past his prime by that point.

[Zim489]

I dont know if Ill ever be a fan of his. I have a hard time seeing him ever being worthy of the 16th pick. I think he'll be a decent 2nd/3rd option but he's not an X nor a number 1. They swung here for a high floor that contributes right off the bat instead of possibly developing into great in 2-3 years along with the rest of their draft. 

[Conn]

2 hours ago, Zim489 said:

I dont know if Ill ever be a fan of his. I have a hard time seeing him ever being worthy of the 16th pick. I think he'll be a decent 2nd/3rd option but he's not an X nor a number 1. They swung here for a high floor that contributes right off the bat instead of possibly developing into great in 2-3 years along with the rest of their draft. 

This is a silly post. Sorry. But:

 

1. We have no idea what he will be. Nobody knew McLaurin was much more than an over-aged, low college production returner when we took him in the 3rd. It’s silly to think you know Dotson’s ceiling. 

 

2: Saying that because he may have been overdrafted (a fate that could befall nearly any player in the draft if they don’t develop into great players), you may not ever be a fan of his even if he’s good for us? Why do you even bother. Scherff was overdrafted, and while people never forgot that it didn’t stop them from being fans of his when he was a foundational part of our OL who could have potentially spent his career here. 
 

Going into any player’s career, regardless of where they were drafted, saying “I may never be a fan of his” even if they turn out to be good, bc you would have done something else, is the height of arrogance imo. You can disagree with the FO’s decisions and still be a fan of the individual players. 

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

2 hours ago, Zim489 said:

I dont know if Ill ever be a fan of his. I have a hard time seeing him ever being worthy of the 16th pick. I think he'll be a decent 2nd/3rd option but he's not an X nor a number 1. They swung here for a high floor that contributes right off the bat instead of possibly developing into great in 2-3 years along with the rest of their draft. 

 

Ever is a strong word.

 

Improving the WR group was a difficult task this off-season.  These are all the WR's that got $10million a year or more (so expected to play significant snaps and contribute)

 

Tyreek Hill - Traded

Davante Adams - Traded

AJ Brown - Traded

Stefon Diggs - Re-signed

DJ Moore - Re-signed

Mike Williams - Re-Signed

Chris Godwin - Franchise Tagged

Amari Cooper - Traded

Brandin Cooks - Re-Signed

Christian Kirk - Hit the open market
Robert Woods - Traded

Allen Robinson - Hit the open market

Adam Thielen - Re-signed

Michael Gallup - Re-signed

Devante Parker - Traded

Russell Gage - Hit the open market

Marquez Valdes-Scantling - Hit the open market

DJ Chark - Hit the open market

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Christian Kirk - 26 years old

Allen Robinson - 29 years old

Russell Gage - 26

MVS - 28

DJ Chark - 26

 

In comparison, Jahan Dotson is 22 years old, has team control for 4 (or 5) years, and costs $2.7-$4.7 per year over the current life of his rookie deal.  Dotson is much younger and cheaper.  From a cap cost perspective, this move makes more sense than paying Russell Gage triple the amount.  How many of those guys can play the 'X'?  Allen Robinson is probably the best, but he's already 29 years old, coming off a bad season, and his average per year cap hit is 5 times that of Dotson.

 

Can Dotson play the 'X'?  Personally, I don't think so.  But Terry McLaurin does, so we don't need Dotson to do that.  Can Dotson play the 'Z'?  I think he can.

[Skinsinparadise]

1 hour ago, Conn said:

 

2: Saying that because he may have been overdrafted (a fate that could befall nearly any player in the draft if they don’t develop into great players), you may not ever be a fan of his even if he’s good for us? Why do you even bother. Scherff was overdrafted, and while people never forgot that it didn’t stop them from being fans of his when he was a foundational part of our OL who could have potentially spent his career here. 

 

Agree.  And all overdrafted means is that the media ranked that player lower.    So for example the reverse of this would be when they took Haskins.  The media ranked Haskins highly so most of them said they nailed the pick.  But the Washington scouts among some other teams didn't have Haskins rated as a first rounder.   As Keim likes to joke if you want the media to celebrate your draft just go with the mock drafts and ride your draft that way.  But teams don't do that for obvious reasons.

 

To add to your point, X versus Z versus Y receiver that doesn't matter a heck of a lot as far as value.  Plenty of WRs shined as Z or Y Wrs, Justin Jefferson, Diggs, T. Hill, Desean Jackson, etc.  Was Pierre Garcon > Desean Jackson because Pierre played X?

 

In theory, an X receiver is better at beating press coverage but other than that its not the be all and end all as for where you line up on the line of scrimmage as for value as a receiver.

Edited June 1, 2022 by Skinsinparadise

[duffy]

On 5/31/2022 at 11:21 AM, NewCliche21 said:

Ugh, I still wonder what would've happened for Moss if he ever had a #2.

 

 

[mistertim]

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Agree.  And all overdrafted means is that the media ranked that player lower.    So for example the reverse of this would be when they took Haskins.  The media ranked Haskins highly so most of them said they nailed the pick.  But the Washington scouts among some other teams didn't have Haskins rated as a first rounder.   As Keim likes to joke if you want the media to celebrate your draft just go with the mock drafts and ride your draft that way.  But teams don't do that for obvious reasons.

 

To add to your point, X versus Z versus Y receiver that doesn't matter a heck of a lot as far as value.  Plenty of WRs shined as Z or Y Wrs, Justin Jefferson, Diggs, T. Hill, Desean Jackson, etc.  Was Pierre Garcon > Desean Jackson because Pierre played X?

 

In theory, an X receiver is better at beating press coverage but other than that its not the be all and end all as for where you line up on the line of scrimmage as for value as a receiver.

 

I pretty much agree, but I think the thing with X is that it's usually harder to play since beating good press coverage (especially in the NFL) is tough and can be a somewhat rare skill for a receiver to have. So if you have a guy who can play any WR spot, including X, then in a vacuum he's probably going to be seen as more valuable overall.

 

Of course that also depends on the receiver in question. Obviously an elite Y or Z guy is going to be more valuable than a mediocre X. Hence why I said "in a vacuum".