The Official QB Thread- JD5 taken #2. Randal 2.0 or Bayou Bob? Mariota and Fromm battle for QB2 and so begins the Handsome Harem for Hartman

[HoggLife]

2 hours ago, Dah-Dee said:

 

Help me find Pickett on the top 100 list, I don't see him:

 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/pass-rating-player-season.html

 

Rk	Player	Rate	Year	School
1	Jayden Daniels*	208	2023	LSU
2	Grayson McCall*	207.6	2021	Coastal Carolina
3	Mac Jones*	203.1	2020	Alabama
4	Joe Burrow*	202	2019	LSU
5	Tua Tagovailoa*	199.4	2018	Alabama
6	Kyler Murray*	199.2	2018	Oklahoma
7	Baker Mayfield*	198.9	2017	Oklahoma
8	Zach Wilson*	196.4	2020	Brigham Young
9	Baker Mayfield*	196.4	2016	Oklahoma
10	Kaleb Eleby	195.1	2020	Western Michigan
11	Dustin Crum	192.7	2020	Kent State
12	Russell Wilson*	191.8	2011	Wisconsin
13	Jalen Hurts*	191.2	2019	Oklahoma
14	Robert Griffin III*	189.5	2011	Baylor
15	Bo Nix*	188.3	2023	Oregon
16	C.J. Stroud*	186.6	2021	Ohio State
17	Colt Brennan*	186	2006	Hawaii
18	Jameis Winston*	184.8	2013	Florida State
19	Grayson McCall*	184.3	2020	Coastal Carolina
20	Logan Woodside*	183.3	2016	Toledo
21	Shaun King	183.3	1998	Tulane
22	Kellen Moore*	182.6	2010	Boise State
23	Cam Newton*	182	2010	Auburn
24	Hendon Hooker*	182	2021	Tennessee
25	Marcus Mariota*	181.7	2014	Oregon
Rk	Player	Rate	Year	School
26	Stefan Lefors*	181.7	2004	Louisville
27	Justin Fields*	181.4	2019	Ohio State
28	Mike White*	181.4	2016	Western Kentucky
29	Sam Bradford*	180.8	2008	Oklahoma
30	Trey Lance	180.6	2019	North Dakota State
31	Kyle Trask*	180	2020	Florida
32	McKenzie Milton*	179.3	2017	UCF
33	Layne Hatcher	179.2	2020	Arkansas State
34	Sam Howell*	179.1	2020	North Carolina
35	Vernon Adams*	179.1	2015	Oregon
36	Tanner Morgan*	178.7	2019	Minnesota
37	David Johnson*	178.7	2008	Tulsa
38	Danny Wuerffel	178.4	1995	Florida
39	C.J. Stroud*	177.7	2022	Ohio State
40	Matt Corral*	177.6	2020	Ole Miss
41	Tyler Huntley*	177.6	2019	Utah
42	Jim McMahon	176.9	1980	Brigham Young
43	Stetson Bennett*	176.7	2021	Georgia
44	Kaidon Salter*	176.6	2023	Liberty
45	Sam Bradford*	176.5	2007	Oklahoma
46	Alex Smith*	176.5	2004	Utah
47	Brandon Doughty*	176.5	2015	Western Kentucky
48	Ty Detmer	175.6	1989	Brigham Young
49	Justin Fields*	175.6	2020	Ohio State
50	Hendon Hooker*	175.5	2022	Tennessee
Rk	Player	Rate	Year	School
51	Will Grier*	175.5	2018	West Virginia
52	A.J. McCarron*	175.3	2012	Alabama
53	Zach Terrell*	175.2	2016	Western Michigan
54	Kellen Moore*	175.2	2011	Boise State
55	Jason Bean*	175	2023	Kansas
56	Rudy Carpenter*	175	2005	Arizona State
57	Joe Hamilton	175	1999	Georgia Tech
58	Aaron Murray*	174.8	2012	Georgia
59	Bryce Petty*	174.3	2013	Baylor
60	Dwayne Haskins*	174.1	2018	Ohio State
61	Case Keenum*	174	2011	Houston
62	Colt McCoy*	173.8	2008	Texas
63	Steve Sarkisian	173.6	1996	Brigham Young
64	Baker Mayfield*	173.3	2015	Oklahoma
65	Trent Dilfer	173.1	1993	Fresno State
66	Jason Campbell*	172.9	2004	Auburn
67	Johnny Manziel*	172.9	2013	Texas A&M
68	Kerry Collins	172.9	1994	Penn State
69	Jerry Rhome	172.6	1964	Tulsa
70	Spencer Rattler*	172.6	2020	Oklahoma
71	Tim Tebow*	172.5	2007	Florida
72	Tim Tebow*	172.4	2008	Florida
73	Jalen Milroe*	172.2	2023	Alabama
74	Dillon Gabriel*	172	2023	Oklahoma
75	Zach Mettenberger*	171.4	2013	LSU
Rk	Player	Rate	Year	School
76	Chad Pennington	171.4	1999	Marshall
77	Grayson McCall*	171.4	2022	Coastal Carolina
78	Nick Stevens*	171.3	2016	Colorado State
79	Jake Fromm*	171.2	2018	Georgia
80	Teddy Bridgewater*	171.1	2013	Louisville
81	Kevin Hogan*	171	2015	Stanford
82	David Fales*	170.8	2012	San Jose State
83	Rex Grossman	170.8	2001	Florida
84	Bart Hendricks	170.6	2000	Boise State
85	Danny Wuerffel	170.6	1996	Florida
86	Mason Rudolph*	170.6	2017	Oklahoma State
87	Philip Rivers*	170.5	2003	North Carolina State
88	Bobby Hoying	170.4	1995	Ohio State
89	Akili Smith	170.4	1998	Oregon
90	Daunte Culpepper	170.2	1998	UCF
91	Andrew Luck*	170.2	2010	Stanford
92	Caleb Williams*	170.1	2023	USC
93	Brock Purdy*	169.9	2018	Iowa State
94	J.T. Barrett*	169.8	2014	Ohio State
95	Andrew Luck*	169.7	2011	Stanford
96	Caleb Williams*	169.6	2021	Oklahoma
97	Billy Blanton	169.6	1996	San Diego State
98	Terrance Owens*	169.2	2011	Toledo
99	Trevor Lawrence*	169.2	2020	Clemson
100	John Beck*	169.1	2006	Brigham Young

 

Haskins #60 and Jason Campbell #66. Yay us!

[zCommander]

2 hours ago, TurningTheCorner said:

Do you think the agent sat there knowing someone would be scanning that tweet looking for his emoji to come through?

 

How dare these people just sit there on the information highway looking for things people happen to be posting. They should be all picking their noses instead. <-- hey can anyone see my emoji? Did it come through for you all? 

[Dah-Dee]

1 hour ago, mistertim said:

 

Eh, out of all those guys the only one who has lived up to his draft status is Burrow. Mayfield, Murray, and Tua were all very high picks and are pretty much mediocre now. Not total busts, but definitely didn't live up to where they were drafted IMO. Mac Jones was also a pretty high 1st round pick and is now a backup who was traded for a 6th round pick.

 

Seems like at that point we're getting pretty subjective, e.g., "pretty much mediocre" and "lived up to draft status."  5 out of 10 from current NFL starters is a pretty good-looking fact.  Sorry it doesn't completely support the Daniels-will-almost-certainly-bust narrative. 

 

8 minutes ago, HoggLife said:

Haskins #60 and Jason Campbell #66. Yay us!

 

How dare you skip over RG3 at 14 and Sam at 34. Heathen!

Edited April 20 by Dah-Dee

[illone]

1 hour ago, mac8887 said:

He doesn’t like my dude JJ McCarthy, he’s mad that JJ took down his beloved Ohio State. Logan set him straight though

oh **** i totally forgot about that. I think he graduated from buckeyes… that michigan hate runs deep. 

 

thing is, i hate michigan too, but jj is special. 
 

when did logan set him straight?  You gotta link for that? 👀

[e16bball]

13 minutes ago, mistertim said:

   Riddick got big mad about that one.

All the media guys are big mad today. Schefter’s fighting with McAfee, Breer is pissed about Vegas, Keim is salty as hell with people, and now Riddick tries to big boy this Twitter dude by pounding his chest about his knowledge of the “body of work” — and then conveniently providing one year’s worth of data out of a 5-year body of work. 
 

They are frustrated by this Daniels situation. They think it should be a done deal.

[SkinsFTW]

7 minutes ago, e16bball said:

All the media guys are big mad today. Schefter’s fighting with McAfee, Breer is pissed about Vegas, Keim is salty as hell with people, and now Riddick tries to big boy this Twitter dude by pounding his chest about his knowledge of the “body of work” — and then conveniently providing one year’s worth of data out of a 5-year body of work. 
 

They are frustrated by this Daniels situation. They think it should be a done deal.

 

I just want one of them to find a good comp for the guy besides Lamar Lite, which he really isn't. Hey, maybe he's the next Steve Young with better speed, but nobody is saying that. To me he's just as risky a pick as Justin Fields or RG3, who I was fine with drafting with a single first rounder.

 

Riddick can't be taken seriously. He's been more wrong on QBs than just about anyone that I've seen.

 

[illone]

6 minutes ago, SkinsFTW said:

Riddick can't be taken seriously. He's been more wrong on QBs than just about anyone that I've seen.

 

that guy has been openly campaigning for a GM job for years… 

 

😂

[CommanderInTheRye]

Maye fans will get a chuckle out of this.

 

It starts off as another rehash of stuff we've heard including Schefter's take on our group event.

 

It gets interesting when McAfee starts wildly speculating that the reason Jayden's agent was so upset might be because at the Top Golf event Maye was consistently doing well whike Jayden was a disaster playing golf.

 

I imagined Maye banging howitzer drives down the middle of the fairway while the other players ooohed and awwwwed. Jayden on the other hand as a first timer didn't even know how to hold the clubs.

 

But the funniest part is McAfee does an impression of an eagle eyed Josh Harris staring down both of 'em not missing anything which only made Jayden more nervous.

 

I can imagine Maye being an absolute superstar golfer while Jayden keeps missing the ball, slicing it, dribbling it for a measly 10 yards and just getting more and more frustrated after each swing. It's worth your three minutes. 😆

 

If it was anything like that I could actually understand Jayden being upset, but a leader would have laughed it off and carried on like nothing was wrong.

 

Anyway the video is below.

 

WARNING: Jayden fans that are sensitive to criticism may want to pass on this one...

 

 

 

 

 

 

.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 20 by CommanderInTheRye

[mistertim]

1 hour ago, Dah-Dee said:

 

Seems like at that point we're getting pretty subjective, e.g., "pretty much mediocre" and "lived up to draft status."  5 out of 10 from current NFL starters is a pretty good-looking fact.  Sorry it doesn't completely support the Daniels-will-almost-certainly-bust narrative. 

 

 

A middle of the road starter for a #1 overall pick is a bust IMO. If you pick a guy in the top 3 you're banking on a star, not a so-so starter. So while most of those guys may still be in the league in one form or another in a few years, none of them besides Burrow are stars or even franchise QBs. You could maybe make the case for Murray but he's only had one really good season and everything else was derailed by injuries.

 

So if we pick Daniels or Maye at #2 and in 3-4 years they're maybe a top 15-20 starter, then that's a bust and hopefully we'll jettison them before having to pay big bucks for a middling QB.

Edited April 20 by mistertim

[Jumbo]

 😛😁

 

 

 

Pete and repeat were making posts and....

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/04/18/commanders-topgolf-qb-prospects/

 

 

 

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

A Sobering must read for everyone in this thread no matter what QB we take.....

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-let-the-buyer-beware-when-drafting-a-quarterback-in-the-first-round-of-the-nfl-draft/

[CapsSkins]

Rich Eisen is convinced the pick is Daniels. Pretty definitively so

 

 

[mistertim]

8 minutes ago, COWBOY-KILLA- said:

A Sobering must read for everyone in this thread no matter what QB we take.....

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-let-the-buyer-beware-when-drafting-a-quarterback-in-the-first-round-of-the-nfl-draft/

 

These takes crack me up because they always somehow "neglect" to mention the fantastically low success rate for QBs taken after the 1st round.

 

Yes, it's a crapshoot. And you're more likely to miss than get a stud. But if you want a stud, chances are he's going to be in the 1st round.

[CapsSkins]

Daniels' publicist has stepped in to do some damage control lol

 

 

[mistertim]

1 minute ago, CapsSkins said:

Daniels' publicist has stepped in to do some damage control lol

 

 

 

 

"No damage control! No damage control! That's not damage control! No wai!! It's all about publicity! All publicity is good publicity! No damage control! You're nuts if you think they're doing damage control! NO DAMAGE CONTROL TO SEE HERE!"

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

3 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

These takes crack me up because they always somehow "neglect" to mention the fantastically low success rate for QBs taken after the 1st round.

 

Yes, it's a crapshoot. And you're more likely to miss than get a stud. But if you want a stud, chances are he's going to be in the 1st round.

 

For sure its low low after the 1st. But still an interesting reminder of just how difficult it is to get it right in the 1st.

[mistertim]

5 minutes ago, COWBOY-KILLA- said:

 

For sure its low low after the 1st. But still an interesting reminder of just how difficult it is to get it right in the 1st.

 

Oh absolutely. It's why I envy those teams who hit with their guys. It's just so hard to project. But unfortunately you just have to do your best and take a shot. And if it doesn't work cut your losses and try again.

 

8 minutes ago, CapsSkins said:

Daniels' publicist has stepped in to do some damage control lol

 

 

 

Recent live shot from Denise White's home:

 

Edited April 20 by mistertim

[Conn]

11 minutes ago, CapsSkins said:

Rich Eisen is convinced the pick is Daniels. Pretty definitively so

 

 

He may be right but it won’t be because he knew anything today. 

[mistertim]

All of these people predicting Daniels with so much certainty basically say the same stuff: "It's going to be Jayden Daniels to the Commanders, I'm positive. Because I said so. And because I heard something somewhere at some point."    

[Tay]

I think the team will do something early next week to quiet the noise if Daniels is going to be the pick. I don’t think they can make this pick with a bunch of backlash in Thursday night. 

[skinzplay]

8 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Schefter.  The gist he believes McCarthy's ceiling is #3 in the draft, floor #11.

 

Daniels he thinks still likely goes to Washington.  More or less said even if that's not Daniels preference, he will play for whomever drafts him.

 

So Schefter insinuating that Daniels would rather play elsewhere -- with Keim saying the opposite that this team and the Vikings are his preferred spots.  Rare to see Schefter and Keim at odds.   

 

 

 

 

Nobody in our FO is talking to Schefter. They talk to Keim. Schefter gets his info From players' family members, agents, and members of their entourages. When Keim and Schefter are at odds, trust in Keim. As a general rule of thumb, trust in Keim. 😉

[Panninho]

2 hours ago, skinzplay said:

 

Nobody in our FO is talking to Schefter. They talk to Keim. Schefter gets his info From players' family members, agents, and members of their entourages. When Keim and Schefter are at odds, trust in Keim. As a general rule of thumb, trust in Keim. 😉

Well when it comes to our team I fully agree. But this is a story about Daniels and not about our team. So when you say Schefter gets his info from family members, agents and the player's entourage, I really don't understand how you come to the conclusion that Keim knows better here. You basically named the entire list of people who could give insights on what the Daniels camp feels like when you talked about Schefter's sources.

[ntotoro]

2 hours ago, skinzplay said:

 

Nobody in our FO is talking to Schefter. They talk to Keim. Schefter gets his info From players' family members, agents, and members of their entourages. When Keim and Schefter are at odds, trust in Keim. As a general rule of thumb, trust in Keim. 😉

I don't believe Keim is any better informed or knowledgeable in this case than anyone else, especially with this new FO. I believe he thinks he is and is getting salty and Petty Labelle at people openly questioning him, but I don't believe he really knows a blessed thing. 

[88Comrade2000]

6 hours ago, e16bball said:

All the media guys are big mad today. Schefter’s fighting with McAfee, Breer is pissed about Vegas, Keim is salty as hell with people, and now Riddick tries to big boy this Twitter dude by pounding his chest about his knowledge of the “body of work” — and then conveniently providing one year’s worth of data out of a 5-year body of work. 
 

They are frustrated by this Daniels situation. They think it should be a done deal.

Daniels will go where the teams feel he should go.

 

It will be funny as hell if he drops out if the Top 10.

 

If we don’t take him, my guess the Pats take him or someone trades up to Pats spot and takes him.

[Llevron]

7 hours ago, SkinsFTW said:

 

I just want one of them to find a good comp for the guy besides Lamar Lite, which he really isn't. Hey, maybe he's the next Steve Young with better speed, but nobody is saying that. To me he's just as risky a pick as Justin Fields or RG3, who I was fine with drafting with a single first rounder.

 

Riddick can't be taken seriously. He's been more wrong on QBs than just about anyone that I've seen.

 

I don’t think there is a good comp for him coming out. I don’t think we have ever seen an above average passer with great mechanics, great processing speed and great ball placement / timing AND elite running capability coming out of the draft like this. I also think it’s why his analytics are all over the place. He is almost a statistical and analytical anomaly with what he can do and the kind of trouble that gets him into. 

 

The obvious, again, is the P2S%. It does look real bad. Especially in 2022 where it was like ****ing 30% or something wild. A large part of it is because he takes off SO much. But he is taking off and getting 30 to 40 yards sometimes and sometimes he is getting -3. Reminds me of Brian Westbrook (right? Someone correct me. Eagles running back back in their day with Mcnibble). It’s gonna inflate his stats obviously. And typically that would be something to frown at yall have taught me that much. But in his case? With the plays he is making I don’t think it is. Speed and running always translates to the NFL. We don’t have to argue over this again btw I know your preferences here almost to the man - and I know I’m in the minority it’s ok lol. When I wanna fight I’ll make up more random bull****. 
 

Point is I don’t think there is a good comp. I think if he is successful the next comps for athletic QBs with speed and that can pass are going to be Jayden Daniels and not RG or Lamar. These kinds of guys are new, really. And he is better than they are at it coming out. 

Edited April 20 by Llevron