The Official QB Thread- JD5 taken #2. Randall 2.0 or Bayou Bob? Mariotta and Hartman forever. Fromm cut

[KDawg]

23 minutes ago, TurningTheCorner said:

Dude think about what you’re saying here. Do you think the agent sat there knowing someone would be scanning that tweet looking for his emoji to come through? Did anyone know who his agent was before this? Did anyone care? No, cause it’s a non factor on where he’s drafted and that’s probably what his agent thought putting an emoji out there. He wants his client to be drafted number 2, he wanted more face time and that to be more of a certainty this past week. It’s more money and more notoriety which is good for the agency and business. Of course he didn’t like the group trip haha like why would he? It was dumb he subjected them to any of this for absolute crazy people that scan and look for this drama on social media. But it literally means nothing. It’s sad we’re even talking about it, and the fact you are is a way to cling onto Maye being the pick even if the signs say otherwise. 

This posting style and obvious Daniels love looks mighty familiar…

 

 

[Dah-Dee]

1 hour ago, HTTSkins said:

So did Pickett 

 

Help me find Pickett on the top 100 list, I don't see him:

 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/pass-rating-player-season.html

 

Rk	Player	Rate	Year	School
1	Jayden Daniels*	208	2023	LSU
2	Grayson McCall*	207.6	2021	Coastal Carolina
3	Mac Jones*	203.1	2020	Alabama
4	Joe Burrow*	202	2019	LSU
5	Tua Tagovailoa*	199.4	2018	Alabama
6	Kyler Murray*	199.2	2018	Oklahoma
7	Baker Mayfield*	198.9	2017	Oklahoma
8	Zach Wilson*	196.4	2020	Brigham Young
9	Baker Mayfield*	196.4	2016	Oklahoma
10	Kaleb Eleby	195.1	2020	Western Michigan
11	Dustin Crum	192.7	2020	Kent State
12	Russell Wilson*	191.8	2011	Wisconsin
13	Jalen Hurts*	191.2	2019	Oklahoma
14	Robert Griffin III*	189.5	2011	Baylor
15	Bo Nix*	188.3	2023	Oregon
16	C.J. Stroud*	186.6	2021	Ohio State
17	Colt Brennan*	186	2006	Hawaii
18	Jameis Winston*	184.8	2013	Florida State
19	Grayson McCall*	184.3	2020	Coastal Carolina
20	Logan Woodside*	183.3	2016	Toledo
21	Shaun King	183.3	1998	Tulane
22	Kellen Moore*	182.6	2010	Boise State
23	Cam Newton*	182	2010	Auburn
24	Hendon Hooker*	182	2021	Tennessee
25	Marcus Mariota*	181.7	2014	Oregon
Rk	Player	Rate	Year	School
26	Stefan Lefors*	181.7	2004	Louisville
27	Justin Fields*	181.4	2019	Ohio State
28	Mike White*	181.4	2016	Western Kentucky
29	Sam Bradford*	180.8	2008	Oklahoma
30	Trey Lance	180.6	2019	North Dakota State
31	Kyle Trask*	180	2020	Florida
32	McKenzie Milton*	179.3	2017	UCF
33	Layne Hatcher	179.2	2020	Arkansas State
34	Sam Howell*	179.1	2020	North Carolina
35	Vernon Adams*	179.1	2015	Oregon
36	Tanner Morgan*	178.7	2019	Minnesota
37	David Johnson*	178.7	2008	Tulsa
38	Danny Wuerffel	178.4	1995	Florida
39	C.J. Stroud*	177.7	2022	Ohio State
40	Matt Corral*	177.6	2020	Ole Miss
41	Tyler Huntley*	177.6	2019	Utah
42	Jim McMahon	176.9	1980	Brigham Young
43	Stetson Bennett*	176.7	2021	Georgia
44	Kaidon Salter*	176.6	2023	Liberty
45	Sam Bradford*	176.5	2007	Oklahoma
46	Alex Smith*	176.5	2004	Utah
47	Brandon Doughty*	176.5	2015	Western Kentucky
48	Ty Detmer	175.6	1989	Brigham Young
49	Justin Fields*	175.6	2020	Ohio State
50	Hendon Hooker*	175.5	2022	Tennessee
Rk	Player	Rate	Year	School
51	Will Grier*	175.5	2018	West Virginia
52	A.J. McCarron*	175.3	2012	Alabama
53	Zach Terrell*	175.2	2016	Western Michigan
54	Kellen Moore*	175.2	2011	Boise State
55	Jason Bean*	175	2023	Kansas
56	Rudy Carpenter*	175	2005	Arizona State
57	Joe Hamilton	175	1999	Georgia Tech
58	Aaron Murray*	174.8	2012	Georgia
59	Bryce Petty*	174.3	2013	Baylor
60	Dwayne Haskins*	174.1	2018	Ohio State
61	Case Keenum*	174	2011	Houston
62	Colt McCoy*	173.8	2008	Texas
63	Steve Sarkisian	173.6	1996	Brigham Young
64	Baker Mayfield*	173.3	2015	Oklahoma
65	Trent Dilfer	173.1	1993	Fresno State
66	Jason Campbell*	172.9	2004	Auburn
67	Johnny Manziel*	172.9	2013	Texas A&M
68	Kerry Collins	172.9	1994	Penn State
69	Jerry Rhome	172.6	1964	Tulsa
70	Spencer Rattler*	172.6	2020	Oklahoma
71	Tim Tebow*	172.5	2007	Florida
72	Tim Tebow*	172.4	2008	Florida
73	Jalen Milroe*	172.2	2023	Alabama
74	Dillon Gabriel*	172	2023	Oklahoma
75	Zach Mettenberger*	171.4	2013	LSU
Rk	Player	Rate	Year	School
76	Chad Pennington	171.4	1999	Marshall
77	Grayson McCall*	171.4	2022	Coastal Carolina
78	Nick Stevens*	171.3	2016	Colorado State
79	Jake Fromm*	171.2	2018	Georgia
80	Teddy Bridgewater*	171.1	2013	Louisville
81	Kevin Hogan*	171	2015	Stanford
82	David Fales*	170.8	2012	San Jose State
83	Rex Grossman	170.8	2001	Florida
84	Bart Hendricks	170.6	2000	Boise State
85	Danny Wuerffel	170.6	1996	Florida
86	Mason Rudolph*	170.6	2017	Oklahoma State
87	Philip Rivers*	170.5	2003	North Carolina State
88	Bobby Hoying	170.4	1995	Ohio State
89	Akili Smith	170.4	1998	Oregon
90	Daunte Culpepper	170.2	1998	UCF
91	Andrew Luck*	170.2	2010	Stanford
92	Caleb Williams*	170.1	2023	USC
93	Brock Purdy*	169.9	2018	Iowa State
94	J.T. Barrett*	169.8	2014	Ohio State
95	Andrew Luck*	169.7	2011	Stanford
96	Caleb Williams*	169.6	2021	Oklahoma
97	Billy Blanton	169.6	1996	San Diego State
98	Terrance Owens*	169.2	2011	Toledo
99	Trevor Lawrence*	169.2	2020	Clemson
100	John Beck*	169.1	2006	Brigham Young

 

[TurningTheCorner]

1 minute ago, KDawg said:

This posting style and obvious Daniels love looks mighty familiar…

 

 

I’m not sure what this means but can assure you I’m not all daniels. Going to need to go on a maye run, but to be fair, there aren’t many people that poo all over Maye here and that’s the only thing that gets me responding. I like both, a lot. Just not a lot of overly negative Maye takes IMO. 

[KDawg]

Just now, TurningTheCorner said:

I’m not sure what this means but can assure you I’m not all daniels. Going to need to go on a maye run, but to be fair, there aren’t many people that poo all over Maye here and that’s the only thing that gets me responding. I like both, a lot. Just not a lot of overly negative Maye takes IMO. 

Well… if you are new, and I have my doubts, but let’s give you the benefit here:

 

You missed the first three cycles. Maye hate was normal. Then it became Caleb hate. Then McCarthy. We’re at Daniels hate stage now. 
 

 

[CommanderInTheRye]

2 minutes ago, Dah-Dee said:

 

Help me find Pickett on the top 100 list, I don't see him:

 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/pass-rating-player-season.html

 

Rk	Player	Rate	Year	School
1	Jayden Daniels*	208	2023	LSU
2	Grayson McCall*	207.6	2021	Coastal Carolina
3	Mac Jones*	203.1	2020	Alabama
4	Joe Burrow*	202	2019	LSU
5	Tua Tagovailoa*	199.4	2018	Alabama
6	Kyler Murray*	199.2	2018	Oklahoma
7	Baker Mayfield*	198.9	2017	Oklahoma
8	Zach Wilson*	196.4	2020	Brigham Young
9	Baker Mayfield*	196.4	2016	Oklahoma
10	Kaleb Eleby	195.1	2020	Western Michigan
11	Dustin Crum	192.7	2020	Kent State
12	Russell Wilson*	191.8	2011	Wisconsin
13	Jalen Hurts*	191.2	2019	Oklahoma
14	Robert Griffin III*	189.5	2011	Baylor
15	Bo Nix*	188.3	2023	Oregon
16	C.J. Stroud*	186.6	2021	Ohio State
17	Colt Brennan*	186	2006	Hawaii
18	Jameis Winston*	184.8	2013	Florida State
19	Grayson McCall*	184.3	2020	Coastal Carolina
20	Logan Woodside*	183.3	2016	Toledo
21	Shaun King	183.3	1998	Tulane
22	Kellen Moore*	182.6	2010	Boise State
23	Cam Newton*	182	2010	Auburn
24	Hendon Hooker*	182	2021	Tennessee
25	Marcus Mariota*	181.7	2014	Oregon
Rk	Player	Rate	Year	School
26	Stefan Lefors*	181.7	2004	Louisville
27	Justin Fields*	181.4	2019	Ohio State
28	Mike White*	181.4	2016	Western Kentucky
29	Sam Bradford*	180.8	2008	Oklahoma
30	Trey Lance	180.6	2019	North Dakota State
31	Kyle Trask*	180	2020	Florida
32	McKenzie Milton*	179.3	2017	UCF
33	Layne Hatcher	179.2	2020	Arkansas State
34	Sam Howell*	179.1	2020	North Carolina
35	Vernon Adams*	179.1	2015	Oregon
36	Tanner Morgan*	178.7	2019	Minnesota
37	David Johnson*	178.7	2008	Tulsa
38	Danny Wuerffel	178.4	1995	Florida
39	C.J. Stroud*	177.7	2022	Ohio State
40	Matt Corral*	177.6	2020	Ole Miss
41	Tyler Huntley*	177.6	2019	Utah
42	Jim McMahon	176.9	1980	Brigham Young
43	Stetson Bennett*	176.7	2021	Georgia
44	Kaidon Salter*	176.6	2023	Liberty
45	Sam Bradford*	176.5	2007	Oklahoma
46	Alex Smith*	176.5	2004	Utah
47	Brandon Doughty*	176.5	2015	Western Kentucky
48	Ty Detmer	175.6	1989	Brigham Young
49	Justin Fields*	175.6	2020	Ohio State
50	Hendon Hooker*	175.5	2022	Tennessee
Rk	Player	Rate	Year	School
51	Will Grier*	175.5	2018	West Virginia
52	A.J. McCarron*	175.3	2012	Alabama
53	Zach Terrell*	175.2	2016	Western Michigan
54	Kellen Moore*	175.2	2011	Boise State
55	Jason Bean*	175	2023	Kansas
56	Rudy Carpenter*	175	2005	Arizona State
57	Joe Hamilton	175	1999	Georgia Tech
58	Aaron Murray*	174.8	2012	Georgia
59	Bryce Petty*	174.3	2013	Baylor
60	Dwayne Haskins*	174.1	2018	Ohio State
61	Case Keenum*	174	2011	Houston
62	Colt McCoy*	173.8	2008	Texas
63	Steve Sarkisian	173.6	1996	Brigham Young
64	Baker Mayfield*	173.3	2015	Oklahoma
65	Trent Dilfer	173.1	1993	Fresno State
66	Jason Campbell*	172.9	2004	Auburn
67	Johnny Manziel*	172.9	2013	Texas A&M
68	Kerry Collins	172.9	1994	Penn State
69	Jerry Rhome	172.6	1964	Tulsa
70	Spencer Rattler*	172.6	2020	Oklahoma
71	Tim Tebow*	172.5	2007	Florida
72	Tim Tebow*	172.4	2008	Florida
73	Jalen Milroe*	172.2	2023	Alabama
74	Dillon Gabriel*	172	2023	Oklahoma
75	Zach Mettenberger*	171.4	2013	LSU
Rk	Player	Rate	Year	School
76	Chad Pennington	171.4	1999	Marshall
77	Grayson McCall*	171.4	2022	Coastal Carolina
78	Nick Stevens*	171.3	2016	Colorado State
79	Jake Fromm*	171.2	2018	Georgia
80	Teddy Bridgewater*	171.1	2013	Louisville
81	Kevin Hogan*	171	2015	Stanford
82	David Fales*	170.8	2012	San Jose State
83	Rex Grossman	170.8	2001	Florida
84	Bart Hendricks	170.6	2000	Boise State
85	Danny Wuerffel	170.6	1996	Florida
86	Mason Rudolph*	170.6	2017	Oklahoma State
87	Philip Rivers*	170.5	2003	North Carolina State
88	Bobby Hoying	170.4	1995	Ohio State
89	Akili Smith	170.4	1998	Oregon
90	Daunte Culpepper	170.2	1998	UCF
91	Andrew Luck*	170.2	2010	Stanford
92	Caleb Williams*	170.1	2023	USC
93	Brock Purdy*	169.9	2018	Iowa State
94	J.T. Barrett*	169.8	2014	Ohio State
95	Andrew Luck*	169.7	2011	Stanford
96	Caleb Williams*	169.6	2021	Oklahoma
97	Billy Blanton	169.6	1996	San Diego State
98	Terrance Owens*	169.2	2011	Toledo
99	Trevor Lawrence*	169.2	2020	Clemson
100	John Beck*	169.1	2006	Brigham Young

 

 

 

 

Wilson Pickett probably had a higher rating, plus he had real soul. 🤓

[TurningTheCorner]

2 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Well… if you are new, and I have my doubts, but let’s give you the benefit here:

 

You missed the first three cycles. Maye hate was normal. Then it became Caleb hate. Then McCarthy. We’re at Daniels hate stage now. 
 

 

I think you just answered yourself  

 

I joined during the Daniels hate. If this happened with Maye before I missed the boat and would have had similar responses back. 

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

15 minutes ago, actorguy1 said:

 

 

 

Keim was on Bram’s show today and almost came off defensive about “emoji-gate” meaning nothing and said about a dozen times he thinks the pick is Daniels.  He said it’s a guess and he doesn’t know.  
 

I think apart from the reporting Keim has fallen in love with Daniels.  Every time he says something good about Maye or McCarthy he ALWAYS adds “and Daniels can do that too” or something to that effect.  
 

3/4 of his pod about Maye’s pro day was actually about Daniels.

 

It’s the first time I can remember his personal opinion seemingly creeping this far into his reporting.  He is careful to say he doesn’t know. But he keeps coming back to Daniels and it’s not JUST because he’s heard a lot from others about how good he is.

 

Bram has said basically he thinks it’s 50/50 and the agent tweets matter.  He also said he took notice Vegas moved the lines significantly.  And Sheffter is walking back stuff.

 

Keim kindof just tried to explain everything away by saying the Raiders really want to move up and they’re leaking all this.  But he didn’t report it, just speculated about it.  
 

I find it a bit odd.  Unless Keim knows something about the decision he just can’t say.

 

Shrug.  6 days.  

[mistertim]

15 minutes ago, Dah-Dee said:

 

Help me find Pickett on the top 100 list, I don't see him:

 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/pass-rating-player-season.html

 

Rk	Player	Rate	Year	School
1	Jayden Daniels*	208	2023	LSU
2	Grayson McCall*	207.6	2021	Coastal Carolina
3	Mac Jones*	203.1	2020	Alabama
4	Joe Burrow*	202	2019	LSU
5	Tua Tagovailoa*	199.4	2018	Alabama
6	Kyler Murray*	199.2	2018	Oklahoma
7	Baker Mayfield*	198.9	2017	Oklahoma
8	Zach Wilson*	196.4	2020	Brigham Young
9	Baker Mayfield*	196.4	2016	Oklahoma
10	Kaleb Eleby	195.1	2020	Western Michigan
11	Dustin Crum	192.7	2020	Kent State
12	Russell Wilson*	191.8	2011	Wisconsin
13	Jalen Hurts*	191.2	2019	Oklahoma
14	Robert Griffin III*	189.5	2011	Baylor
15	Bo Nix*	188.3	2023	Oregon
16	C.J. Stroud*	186.6	2021	Ohio State
17	Colt Brennan*	186	2006	Hawaii
18	Jameis Winston*	184.8	2013	Florida State
19	Grayson McCall*	184.3	2020	Coastal Carolina
20	Logan Woodside*	183.3	2016	Toledo
21	Shaun King	183.3	1998	Tulane
22	Kellen Moore*	182.6	2010	Boise State
23	Cam Newton*	182	2010	Auburn
24	Hendon Hooker*	182	2021	Tennessee
25	Marcus Mariota*	181.7	2014	Oregon
Rk	Player	Rate	Year	School
26	Stefan Lefors*	181.7	2004	Louisville
27	Justin Fields*	181.4	2019	Ohio State
28	Mike White*	181.4	2016	Western Kentucky
29	Sam Bradford*	180.8	2008	Oklahoma
30	Trey Lance	180.6	2019	North Dakota State
31	Kyle Trask*	180	2020	Florida
32	McKenzie Milton*	179.3	2017	UCF
33	Layne Hatcher	179.2	2020	Arkansas State
34	Sam Howell*	179.1	2020	North Carolina
35	Vernon Adams*	179.1	2015	Oregon
36	Tanner Morgan*	178.7	2019	Minnesota
37	David Johnson*	178.7	2008	Tulsa
38	Danny Wuerffel	178.4	1995	Florida
39	C.J. Stroud*	177.7	2022	Ohio State
40	Matt Corral*	177.6	2020	Ole Miss
41	Tyler Huntley*	177.6	2019	Utah
42	Jim McMahon	176.9	1980	Brigham Young
43	Stetson Bennett*	176.7	2021	Georgia
44	Kaidon Salter*	176.6	2023	Liberty
45	Sam Bradford*	176.5	2007	Oklahoma
46	Alex Smith*	176.5	2004	Utah
47	Brandon Doughty*	176.5	2015	Western Kentucky
48	Ty Detmer	175.6	1989	Brigham Young
49	Justin Fields*	175.6	2020	Ohio State
50	Hendon Hooker*	175.5	2022	Tennessee
Rk	Player	Rate	Year	School
51	Will Grier*	175.5	2018	West Virginia
52	A.J. McCarron*	175.3	2012	Alabama
53	Zach Terrell*	175.2	2016	Western Michigan
54	Kellen Moore*	175.2	2011	Boise State
55	Jason Bean*	175	2023	Kansas
56	Rudy Carpenter*	175	2005	Arizona State
57	Joe Hamilton	175	1999	Georgia Tech
58	Aaron Murray*	174.8	2012	Georgia
59	Bryce Petty*	174.3	2013	Baylor
60	Dwayne Haskins*	174.1	2018	Ohio State
61	Case Keenum*	174	2011	Houston
62	Colt McCoy*	173.8	2008	Texas
63	Steve Sarkisian	173.6	1996	Brigham Young
64	Baker Mayfield*	173.3	2015	Oklahoma
65	Trent Dilfer	173.1	1993	Fresno State
66	Jason Campbell*	172.9	2004	Auburn
67	Johnny Manziel*	172.9	2013	Texas A&M
68	Kerry Collins	172.9	1994	Penn State
69	Jerry Rhome	172.6	1964	Tulsa
70	Spencer Rattler*	172.6	2020	Oklahoma
71	Tim Tebow*	172.5	2007	Florida
72	Tim Tebow*	172.4	2008	Florida
73	Jalen Milroe*	172.2	2023	Alabama
74	Dillon Gabriel*	172	2023	Oklahoma
75	Zach Mettenberger*	171.4	2013	LSU
Rk	Player	Rate	Year	School
76	Chad Pennington	171.4	1999	Marshall
77	Grayson McCall*	171.4	2022	Coastal Carolina
78	Nick Stevens*	171.3	2016	Colorado State
79	Jake Fromm*	171.2	2018	Georgia
80	Teddy Bridgewater*	171.1	2013	Louisville
81	Kevin Hogan*	171	2015	Stanford
82	David Fales*	170.8	2012	San Jose State
83	Rex Grossman	170.8	2001	Florida
84	Bart Hendricks	170.6	2000	Boise State
85	Danny Wuerffel	170.6	1996	Florida
86	Mason Rudolph*	170.6	2017	Oklahoma State
87	Philip Rivers*	170.5	2003	North Carolina State
88	Bobby Hoying	170.4	1995	Ohio State
89	Akili Smith	170.4	1998	Oregon
90	Daunte Culpepper	170.2	1998	UCF
91	Andrew Luck*	170.2	2010	Stanford
92	Caleb Williams*	170.1	2023	USC
93	Brock Purdy*	169.9	2018	Iowa State
94	J.T. Barrett*	169.8	2014	Ohio State
95	Andrew Luck*	169.7	2011	Stanford
96	Caleb Williams*	169.6	2021	Oklahoma
97	Billy Blanton	169.6	1996	San Diego State
98	Terrance Owens*	169.2	2011	Toledo
99	Trevor Lawrence*	169.2	2020	Clemson
100	John Beck*	169.1	2006	Brigham Young

 

 

That's...actually a pretty underwhelming top 10 list outside of Burrow.    

[e16bball]

22 minutes ago, Dah-Dee said:

Help me find Pickett on the top 100 list, I don't see him:

I would assume he was responding to the other half of the quoted post, which claimed that Jayden improved every year. 
 

Which he didn’t. But Pickett did.

[FootballZombie]

15 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

I think apart from the reporting Keim has fallen in love with Daniels.  Every time he says something good about Maye or McCarthy he ALWAYS adds “and Daniels can do that too” or something to that effect.  

 

Dang.

There is a Rick n' Morty reference involving elbows that would be perfect here but I dare not post it...

Its like a shot in the 4th Qtr and I cant take it. Hurts the feels.

 

 

I think as he said, Keim took gauge of the landscape, saw that the viewpoint from NFL folks is somewhat significantly slanted towards JD and has worked from there. Then it has progressively grown. To his credit, he is always careful to preface what he says tho. Its not just "him" thinking JD can do this or that, he will quote Dan Quinn saying he can do whatever, or some people he talks to and trusts.

Edited April 20 by FootballZombie

[illone]

Keim is one of my favorite reporters. 
 

that said I can tell he has a bit of JD bias. Nothing wrong with that, just an observation. 
 

This has been one of the most spirited drafts I can remember, but will definitely be kinda relieved when it’s over. Draft exhaustion setting in. 
 

6 sleeps!

 

 

[Dah-Dee]

4 minutes ago, e16bball said:

I would assume he was responding to the other half of the quoted post, which claimed that Jayden improved every year. 
 

Which he didn’t. But Pickett did.

 

Then it was a weak response. The better response would have pointed out that Daniels did in fact regress at ASU, 2021 was worse than 2019 by any measure. 

 

No need to reference Pickett - who actually had three very similarly mediocre seasons before his final-season breakout -unless he was trying to compare the 2 players' final seasons, which was a bad comparison.

[Llevron]

44 minutes ago, zCommander said:

 

You know this happens to me too. Weird. 

Brother! 🤝

[mistertim]

I like Keim a lot as well, but I also think it's clear that he does have at least a slight personal JD bias. As @illonesaid, it's not a big deal, but we should be realistic about it and not pretend that he's completely and utterly above the fray at all times.

[mac8887]

2 minutes ago, TurningTheCorner said:

I’m not sure what this means but can assure you I’m not all daniels. Going to need to go on a maye run, but to be fair, there aren’t many people that poo all over Maye here and that’s the only thing that gets me responding. I like both, a lot. Just not a lot of overly negative Maye takes IMO. 

Here’s one, I think Simms is right about Maye. The more I watch him, he really does have an issue completing some very routine/easy throws. And while I love that he can rip it across the middle into tight coverage, and may be 5 to 10% better at that than the average nfl qb. That’s not going to help the offense at all if he is missing on the easy quick outs and throws to the flat on 1st and 2nd and 10, trying to get ahead of the sticks. This happened at UNC quite often, their offense would just stall for a few drives because he was missing the layups, especially against the teams they played that had good defenses.

For some reason he loses control of the ball on throws, and I understand it happens to all QBs, but for him it happens more. 
 

I also worry about how low he drops his elbow and the ball during his throwing motion, both his elbow and the ball get down to about belt level on most of his throws, and I think it could lead to a lot of strip sacks.

 

I also think he drifts at the top of his drop, which causes his own pressure, and I also think he tries to escape the pocket around the tackles when pressured to much, and while that worked pretty well for him in college, I don’t think he accelerates fast enough to get to the outside against the quicker edge rushers, and most OLBs in the NFL, and he will take big sacks because of it Just like Sam Howell.

 

I also don’t think he sees the field well. Sure, he could carve up some weak competition, but when the competition got tougher, against the better teams, with better players, he had some pretty bad games. 
 

I do love his potential, and his traits, but I also think his floor is pretty low, especially if he can’t start consistently hitting on the short throws to the outside. The throws that most coaches use to get their qb in rhythm are the ones that Maye struggles most with.

 

And even after all of this, I’d still be fine with him at #2, just because he’s really young, he missed a year of high school ball due to covid, and I don’t see anything that some TLC can’t fix. And if he reaches his potential, he could end up being the best in this years class.

 

 

[CapsSkins]

My thing with Keim is that I have never heard him truly contend with the JD durability concerns. He sort of handwaves it away and talks about learning to slide. But like... is it that simple? Someone here posted how weighing 200 lbs vs. 230 lbs could be the difference between getting sacked by a DE who gets an arm on you and pulls you down vs. getting away.

 

Any QB is going to take hits, including big shots by NFL-sized pass rushers. It's a reality of playing the position. Is there really no concern there beyond learning to slide? Someone compared him to Cousins' body type (Cooley?), maybe that's how people see him if he puts on 5 lbs of muscle. Idk. It just seems night and day how people talk about that concern on here vs. in the media.

 

Maybe we just have acute RG3PTSD on here. I certainly do. But does that make us irrationally concerned or uniquely clear-eyed? 

[Dah-Dee]

28 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

That's...actually a pretty underwhelming top 10 list outside of Burrow.    

 

There's been a good bit of discussion in this thread about the bust rate on QBs, which according to some approaches 80-90%, so I was pleasantly surprised to see that 5 of the top 10 seasons came from current NFL starters.

Edited April 20 by Dah-Dee

[mac8887]

14 minutes ago, illone said:

Keim is one of my favorite reporters. 
 

that said I can tell he has a bit of JD bias. Nothing wrong with that, just an observation. 
 

This has been one of the most spirited drafts I can remember, but will definitely be kinda relieved when it’s over. Draft exhaustion setting in. 
 

6 sleeps!

 

 

He doesn’t like my dude JJ McCarthy, he’s mad that JJ took down his beloved Ohio State. Logan set him straight though

[mistertim]

10 minutes ago, Dah-Dee said:

 

There's been a good bit of discussion in this thread about the bust rate on QBs, which according to some approaches 80-90%, so I was pleasantly surprised to see that 5 of the top 10 seasons came from current NFL starters.

 

Eh, out of all those guys the only one who has lived up to his draft status is Burrow. Mayfield, Murray, and Tua were all very high picks and are pretty much mediocre now. Not total busts, but definitely didn't live up to where they were drafted IMO. Mac Jones was also a pretty high 1st round pick and is now a backup who was traded for a 6th round pick.

Edited April 20 by mistertim

[e16bball]

12 minutes ago, Dah-Dee said:

 

Then it was a weak response. The better response would have pointed out that Daniels did in fact regress at ASU, 2021 was worse than 2019 by any measure. 

 

No need to reference Pickett - who actually had three very similarly mediocre seasons before his final-season breakout -unless he was trying to compare the 2 players' final seasons, which was a bad comparison.

Not disagreeing with you as to the depth and clarity of the response. 
 

Just making the point that he’s technically correct, assuming that that’s what he was getting at. 
 

Which I’d already kinda wanted to do, because I find the “Daniels improved every single year” narrative as baffling as the “McCarthy beat Alabama with his arm when Michigan needed him to” narrative that I keep seeing. Actually, it’s still a little less baffling than the McCarthy-Alabama thing, because Daniels did improve his rushing production from 2019 to 2021 (and thereafter), which is something at least. 

[HTTRDynasty]

 

[SkinsFTW]

On a positive note...

 

At least we got the requisite "He doesn't wanna be here's" out in the open much earlier than usual this time.

 

 

[mistertim]

Not surprising. Most college QBs (especially younger ones) will need to work on their footwork at least a bit. Especially if they're coming from a less "NFL style" offense. If footwork couldn't be improved with coaching we'd see a hell of a lot more busts than we do. Footwork and mechanics were concerns with Mahomes, Allen, and Herbert as well. This is why that footwork/mechanics red flag for Maye doesn't scare me as much as some of the red flags on Daniels.

[HTTRDynasty]

Which one’s the fanboy here? 🤔

And it’s pretty telling that Riddick’s response to someone questioning Daniels’ lack of pass attempts outside the pocket was to post… efficiency stats?
 

 

 

 

[mistertim]

   Riddick got big mad about that one.