TurningTheCorner

A lot of truth in here but also quite a lot of projection that this will be the case going forward even though everyone from owner to GM to head coach to QB And half our starters are completely different. Hopefully better times ahead.

I get it, it was a joke! Bad launch off point Me thinks the large QB deals have a lot to do with that.

I just think we have a bad habit of throwing good players out due to bad scheme/circumstances is all. Less about the pansie comment and more about let’s not write this kid off yet. I remember the Ravens and Decosta being really interested in him last year. Anyone think he goes to Baltimore and doesn’t become a ball hawking force back there? We need to be patient and build around him not judge him off a regime that were dead men walking.

Not sure if this is an attempt at being funny? Ron had a ton of flaws. But Forbes is a legitimate talent that was put in a terrible position last year (due to said flaws). Trading him now would be getting 50 cents on the dollar which no good GM would ever do. Let’s see how he plays this year before calling him a pansie, not a great look.

Nope just watched Russel get discarded from two pretty credible QB coaches. He’s a shell. Fields finished relatively strong last year. An elite passer he is not, but he’s not some terrible player either.

This is a very strong take, I’d take Fields pretty easily over Russel at this point.

I haven’t written off Forbes yet. I actually think he’s got major potential still, but he does need to be worried from the standpoint that he’s not this regimes pick and needs to step it up quick to impress.

Any chance we slide Cosmi back out to RT? Our line would be Lucas, Allegretti, Biadasz, Stromberg, Cosmi. Wylie and Coleman as your 6 and 7 with positional flex. Just a thought but that OL is likely far better than what we trotted out last year. Not great, but better. Coleman can hopefully grow into the LT position in time as well.

My favorite part of the draft is the reactions to picks that no one know enough about cause we literally don’t do this for living. It’s easy to get caught up looking at Kiper’s big board.

It’s so obviously planted by the raiders/Vikings as a last ditch effort to have us move off their guy.

Did you watch the Ole Miss game?

Yep it either means Maye is the true number 2 in most teams eyes or that the Giants/Vikings prefer Daniels. My guess is that they want Daniels and someone planted a seed to make it seem like passing on Maye would be idiotic (maybe it is). I have a hard time believing the collusion it would take for so many sources around the league believe Daniels is number 2 and report it out that way but who knows.

This post resonated with me because the closer we get to the draft, the more antsy I start to feel about Jayden being our guy due to the aforementioned concerns. It’s not that I didn’t have them before, it’s just a feeling that has started to creep in as Thursday approaches. This is absolutely the one part that concerns me and it’s real. It’s real with Lamar. It’s real with any of these guys that leave the pocket and are subjected to more hits. BUT there’s just way too much smoke that Daniels is the superior QB right now. This isn’t the case of drafting a Sam Darnold over a Josh Allen. Jayden made more game breaking plays in a game in the SEC than Darnold would make in several against PAC 12 defenses. It’s true that Maye may be this years Josh Allen but my point is that we aren’t passing on him for an okay talent in any ho hum draft. We’re taking a very legitimate talent that saw the light bulb go off (like Burrow) and I don’t think that’s framed the same way in the offices of the guys that make these decisions as it is here (not a negative but an indication of how much this guy cared to improve and then DID THAT in spades). Peters experience with Lance ironically probably tips the scales in the other direction. Lance was the toolsy raw guy coming out and didn’t turn out. Now maybe Maye turns out to be Allen (I think Herbert is a really bad comparison as a prospect outside of the fact his game was picked apart due to prospect fatigue). But he could also be Lance or Trubisky, guys who just never developed as Rythm passers that could be trusted with the keys to the entire offense. Again, I really like Maye. I see him more as an Allen, but with time and A LOT of patience. Just like Josh needed. If they take him, I’ll be all aboard and trust they made the right choice. A bit of a ramble but that hits on some of my all encompassing thoughts.

There is so much more to being a thrower than a big arm. I loved Lamar in college. Loved him coming out and couldn’t believe Baltimore stole him where they did. But he was inaccurate and never came close to the season Jayden Daniels had as a passer in 2023. You could make the argument he could have gotten there with better talent around him and more time in school. But he didn’t so it’s all guesswork. That’s what makes the draft so intriguing though!

I’m not insinuating they got it right. But speaking purely as prospects, 31 teams passed on Lamar Jackson. That’s not going to happen to Daniels on Thursday so it’s a bit hyperbolic to say Daniels can’t touch Lamar as a prospect. Daniels is a far more sophisticated pocket passer than Lamar coming out and it’s not even close.

Lamar went 32 and was asked by teams to switch to WR. Even if Daniels doesn’t go to us, he is universally regarded as a top 3 pick in a abnormally strong QB draft. Lamar was not that as a prospect and there’s a reason for that.

Our definition of smoke may be different but when Keim, Schefter, etc. all say he’s the likely pick, I consider that something. Doesn’t mean it’s the pick but there’s a ton of smoke he’s the higher rated player in the eyes of many.

No smoke that JD is the pick? I mean he very well may not be but to say there’s no smoke makes me feel like I need to go back the last 100 pages of this thread and make sure my memory is still in tact.

I’ve watched all his plays from last year but hardly pretend I know what I’m looking at. I’m relying pretty hard on just overall information out there that all points to JD being a far better thrower than Lamar coming out. And I liked Lamar as a prospect and thought it was crazy he fell that far. I didn’t say anything about the data or not liking the data. Mahomes is on one of those lists too btw so lets not call it a be all end all. not cherry picking, simply saying it’s worth noting. His 5th year is what his hype is all about, can he continue that trajectory? Burrow did. I like Drake Maye as a prospect, just not convinced he’s the right fit over daniels. You’re coming across pretty strong, I don’t hate Maye at all and wouldn’t mind the pick at all.

He’s not Lamar and I wouldn’t want to draft Lamar, he’s a far better processor at the position and has more upside inside of the pocket. I personally don’t see fields or mariotta in his game at all. Mariotta and Fields don’t process the field as quickly as JD, which is what makes him such an exciting prospect. You’re betting on 2023 Daniels and his continual improvement, those stats are over all years.

Jayden is a bit unique in that I don’t think he’s only well regarded because of his running ability. He’s legitimately good from the pocket too, quick processor, and point guard distributor of the ball. That was not fields or mariotta. Really we haven’t seen many prospects like him. The only thing that gives me pause is I could see Maye having better longevity.

I think you just answered yourself I joined during the Daniels hate. If this happened with Maye before I missed the boat and would have had similar responses back.

I’m not sure what this means but can assure you I’m not all daniels. Going to need to go on a maye run, but to be fair, there aren’t many people that poo all over Maye here and that’s the only thing that gets me responding. I like both, a lot. Just not a lot of overly negative Maye takes IMO.

Sorry got ahead of myself thanks for the level set and I’ll bow out

Keim thinks it’s crazy. Is he gas lighting?