Darth Tater Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 The only game where Turner called the right game with Wentz in was the Bears game and that was in part due to response to an unhealthy Wentz and the return of B-Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: It's getting Twilght Zone level weird debating these points. Don’t be dramatic. 5 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: You talk about taking on Derek Carr's salary. My point is maybe you don't have to take on the salary citing these other QB trades. Then you fire back about how those trades were good for the team because those teams didn't have to take on the full salary, etc. Yeah all you are doing is repeating my point and acting like its you making the point and explaining my same point back to me as if I need the explanation from you. My FIRST (I can capitalize as well) response in this back and forth I STATED if Raiders were willing to take on cap hit I’d be interested. Did this not showcase I understand teams trading the QB can take on a cap hit? I was attempting to have a nuanced discussion about differences of other QB contracts vs Carr, but you appear stuck on “YOUR” idea. I’ll keep it moving after this post as I’m admittedly annoyed lol Until next time my friend… Edited November 17, 2022 by wit33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 I'm just going to leave this here.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel.redskins Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, TK said: I'm just going to leave this here.... Wentz can definitely sling it, no doubt. But the sacks are inexcusable. TH understands the game better, plain and simple. Edited November 17, 2022 by Daniel.redskins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelvin Bryant Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Comparable performance from Heinicke for less than a tenth of the salary. And you get all the intangibles for free. It's actually tempting to consider re-signing him to a modest two-year deal and spending the savings on OLs and LBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunfer Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, Daniel.redskins said: Wentz can definitely sling it, no doubt. But the sacks are inexcusable. TH understands the game better, plain and simple. he understands the offense better and has that sixth sense of feeling pressure. I wish I could say Wentz was the better option, but I think its a toss up with Wentz having the higher ceiling and the lower basement due to whatever factors 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, wit33 said: My FIRST (I can capitalize as well) response in this back and forth I STATED if Raiders were willing to take on cap hit I’d be interested. Did this not showcase I understand teams trading the QB can take on a cap hit? I was attempting to have a nuanced discussion about differences of other QB contracts vs Carr, but you appear stuck on “YOUR” idea. I’ll keep it moving after this post as I’m admittedly annoyed lol Until next time my friend… You keep questioning the examples I used of how it worked with teams taking on the salary with you explaining to me in response its apples to oranges to Carr. We don't know how it ends wtih Carr, I was saying I'd like it to be about said examples. It's like me saying apples can be red and can be green and in this case I prefer green. And you explaining to me that you don't want a red apple and green is the better way to go. Just basically repeating my point. lol, i don't get the whole drill that you were doing. It came off like you weren't reading my post at all or just wanted to own the same point I was making for whatever reason to explain it back to me. It's cool. I gather its just miscommunication. Edited November 17, 2022 by Skinsinparadise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinss Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, Kelvin Bryant said: It's actually tempting to consider re-signing him to a modest two-year deal and spending the savings on OLs and LBs. I hope that's not a suggestion that we keep him the starter for two more years! 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunfer Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, redskinss said: I hope that's not a suggestion that we keep him the starter for two more years! no, but he keeps getting us wins. This coaching staff would be idiots not to extend him for backup pay. Id wish him the best if he got paid elsewhere though. We need to draft our guy at QB and that doesnt mean we have to be a **** team for a top 3 pick. Edited November 17, 2022 by dunfer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey hodge Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 53 minutes ago, TK said: I'm just going to leave this here.... 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunfer Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) nm Edited November 17, 2022 by dunfer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 56 minutes ago, Kelvin Bryant said: Comparable performance from Heinicke for less than a tenth of the salary. And you get all the intangibles for free. It's actually tempting to consider re-signing him to a modest two-year deal and spending the savings on OLs and LBs. And start who, exactly? Heinicke isn't a starting NFL QB. The Commanders have been very clear on that. There's zero chance they go into a season with him as the starter. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, mistertim said: And start who, exactly? Heinicke isn't a starting NFL QB. The Commanders have been very clear on that. There's zero chance they go into a season with him as the starter. IMO, you give all the starting reps to Howell (unless they land a 1st rounder). Hope it works out. I’m not sure the team doesn’t see him as starting caliber, but I’d at least bet they don’t see him as an average starter (let alone above average, good, or elite). So it makes sense they’ve been desperate for an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelvin Bryant Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 hour ago, redskinss said: I hope that's not a suggestion that we keep him the starter for two more years! It's a suggestion that he starts until Howell or a rookie QB beats him out for the job. 27 minutes ago, mistertim said: And start who, exactly? Heinicke isn't a starting NFL QB. The Commanders have been very clear on that. There's zero chance they go into a season with him as the starter. The chance isn't large, but it also isn't zero. If Heinicke takes them into the playoffs and wins a game or two, it might well be on the table. I realize this notion will cause you to experience anguish and outrage, but that's life in the big city. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kelvin Bryant said: The chance isn't large, but it also isn't zero. If Heinicke takes them into the playoffs and wins a game or two, it might well be on the table. I realize this notion will cause you to experience anguish and outrage, but that's life in the big city. It's zero unless Heinicke starts tossing 4 TDs per game for 400 yards and dominating through the air against our remaining opponents. He's the exact same guy he was last year and they made it very clear that they didn't see him as a legit starter. There's no chance they go into next season with him as the starter. Zip. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelvin Bryant Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, mistertim said: It's zero unless Heinicke starts tossing 4 TDs per game for 400 yards and dominating through the air against our remaining opponents. He's the exact same guy he was last year and they made it very clear that they didn't see him as a legit starter. There's no chance they go into next season with him as the starter. Zip. There's always a chance. Edited November 18, 2022 by Kelvin Bryant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Kelvin Bryant said: https://michelsberg.blogspot.com/2011/03/mr-miyagi-and-i-both-understand.html There's always a chance. Yes I suppose everyone else on the team could be kidnapped by aliens for the next year and a half or something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelvin Bryant Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Just now, mistertim said: Yes I suppose everyone else on the team could be kidnapped by aliens for the next year and a half or something. See? There you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Not surprised Wentz is superior statistically. Even the sacks are closer than they look if you add 100+ pass attempts to Heinicke’s numbers. But… it’s that immeasurable “play for/with him” factor for Heinicke. That’s the thing that isn’t measured and can’t be that props him up. It’s wild if you think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjinhan Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 2 hours ago, TK said: I'm just going to leave this here.... I think you are missing one additional stat... Wentz 2-4 Heinicke 3-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSSkinz Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 We dont get too many quality wins around here so beating one of the best teams in football is not something that happens by luck. Its crazy how close we were to beating two top 5 teams in the league back to back. I do like how they are handling the QB situation by not making any promises to anyone. I think it will keep Heinicke and the team focused. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwvr Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 2 hours ago, TK said: I'm just going to leave this here.... Biggest issue is sacks and the fact that Carson is not 23 million better than Taylor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, tomwvr said: Biggest issue is sacks and the fact that Carson is not 23 million better than Taylor Carson dropped back almost twice as much as Heinicke, making for twice as many opportunities to be sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Starting to turn into group think here on the sack numbers. For crying outloud, 9 of them came in one game to arguably the best team in the conference that knew him as well as anyone. He's also noticeable throwing the ball more the Taylor, which can lead to a high number of sacks. It was also out of control how bad the oline was in the Lions game, folks were starting to post stuff like the oline might end the season by themselves at rate we was going. That's not to say Wentz didn't bring some of it on himself, he did, jus piling on that difference in sack numbers without discussing context like it's a Trump card is getting annoying to watch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 We need Wentz healthy first. If he's not 100% then its not even worth a discussion, you play Heinicke. Once Wentz is 100%, then we can have a debate. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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