skinny21 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: Payne isn't a market setter, but should definitely get a good contract. Sweat is the player I doubt we resign. He's going to demand top DE money and he hasn't really been dominant and isn't a leader. I tend to agree with this. Payne will no doubt command a chunk of cap (I’d guess Allen’s contract is his absolute ceiling?), but probably not the kind of money Sweat would. We’ve got more time to replace Sweat too if we pick up his option. If we either land a good DE in the draft, or our in-house guys look promising enough, I could see trading Sweat as well. As others have mentioned, I’d like to move toward the PIT/BAL model of having a solid pipeline of talent, and letting some talent walk (or trading them). We have to get out of this “maybe this could be our year” mentality though, especially until we find a franchise qb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowland Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, skinny21 said: I tend to agree with this. Payne will no doubt command a chunk of cap (I’d guess Allen’s contract is his absolute ceiling?), but probably not the kind of money Sweat would. We’ve got more time to replace Sweat too if we pick up his option. If we either land a good DE in the draft, or our in-house guys look promising enough, I could see trading Sweat as well. As others have mentioned, I’d like to move toward the PIT/BAL model of having a solid pipeline of talent, and letting some talent walk (or trading them). We have to get out of this “maybe this could be our year” mentality though, especially until we find a franchise qb. The PIT/BAL model includes continuity with system and coaches. It's easier for them to identify talent because they haven't changed much over the years. The Ravens have had different DCs but they've always promoted from within. Same with the Steelers. So are we married to JDR and his assistants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, drowland said: The PIT/BAL model includes continuity with system and coaches. It's easier for them to identify talent because they haven't changed much over the years. The Ravens have had different DCs but they've always promoted from within. Same with the Steelers. So are we married to JDR and his assistants? Well, I’m only looking at it from a talent perspective both because I understand that aspect better and because of what thread we’re in, but you make a good point. I’m personally not wedded to Del Rio by any stretch, but regardless, I think we need to add talent to the back 7, and do a better job of marrying the talent to the scheme. Somewhat ironically (seeing as 2 of our safeties should be walking this off-season), continuity in the secondary should help as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 22 minutes ago, drowland said: The PIT/BAL model includes continuity with system and coaches. It's easier for them to identify talent because they haven't changed much over the years. The Ravens have had different DCs but they've always promoted from within. Same with the Steelers. So are we married to JDR and his assistants? Great point, continuity is a huge key from RR to his coordinators and down the line. I have a hard time being married to JDR or Turner right now. Turner probably deserves more time as he lost his starting QB and his secret weapon in Samuel really before the season began. 8 minutes ago, skinny21 said: I think we need to add talent to the back 7, and do a better job of marrying the talent to the scheme. Somewhat ironically (seeing as 2 of our safeties should be walking this off-season), continuity in the secondary should help as well. Yes, we need back 7 players that properly fit the scheme and can cover something other that CAP space. Really need to focus on a solid FS and MLB with instincts, coverage ability and leadership qualities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Jon Allen got paid and is earning his money. Tied for the team lead in sacks (3), leads the team in TFL (5), and has twice as many QB hits (14) as the next closest person (7). 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 44 minutes ago, justice98 said: Jon Allen got paid and is earning his money. Tied for the team lead in sacks (3), leads the team in TFL (5), and has twice as many QB hits (14) as the next closest person (7). He's been great. 90 rating on PFF. And despite that, our defense is still absolute dog doo. Which tells you how little DTs really matter relative to other positions. I'm not saying Allen isn't worth the money. He is. But we also need premium play at other more valuable positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philibusters Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 28 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: He's been great. 90 rating on PFF. And despite that, our defense is still absolute dog doo. Which tells you how little DTs really matter relative to other positions. I'm not saying Allen isn't worth the money. He is. But we also need premium play at other more valuable positions. I don't know if I agree with that. If you just had average play in the back 7 (say a LB corps that ranked 20th out of 32 teams and a secondary that ranked 17th out of 32 teams) our defense would be good with this D-Line. However, both our LB and secondary play is probably bottom 5 for the league so far this year. That is disappointing for the linebackers. Its shocking for the secondary and I had them as a secondary in the top half of the league coming into the year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 feels like some tension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooleyfan1993 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 “I’m a safety” well then play like it, idiot 😂😂😂 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, Cooleyfan1993 said: “I’m a safety” well then play like it, idiot 😂😂😂 To be fair, he didn't say that he was a GOOD safety. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Sounds like an ego problem. Unfortunately he has raked in so much cash he can happily argue over a positional label. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Our team is way too snippy with the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 24 minutes ago, KDawg said: Our team is way too snippy with the media. The media should tell them it's the 4rth quarter of questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Well you can't run with receivers either Landon so what the **** good are you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdcskins Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Wack pride knowing you are bad at your job. Hard to admit you suck - at least for some people. I guess it is a good sign cuz it shows he has a little bit of confidence left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvernon Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, abdcskins said: Wack pride knowing you are bad at your job. Hard to admit you suck - at least for some people. I guess it is a good sign cuz it shows he has a little bit of confidence left. Got so much money he can live in his own dream world and put up the blinders. One of the top 5 worst signings of this century for Washington. Edited October 22, 2021 by Silvernon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Silvernon said: One of the top 5 worst signings of this century for Washington. People say this like it's not an incredible achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvernon Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: People say this like it's not an incredible achievement. To be fair he squeaks in. Deion Haynesworth Archuleta Landon Norman Trotter Jeff George Randle El Barrow Brandon Lloyd Bruce Smith Who am I missing? Edited October 22, 2021 by Silvernon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 19 minutes ago, Silvernon said: To be fair he squeaks in. Deion Haynesworth Archuleta Landon Norman Trotter Jeff George Randle El Barrow Brandon Lloyd Bruce Smith Who am I missing? Thats an impressive list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 18 hours ago, Cooleyfan1993 said: “I’m a safety” well then play like it, idiot 😂😂😂 No you're not, that's why we're moving you to linebacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Silvernon said: To be fair he squeaks in. Deion Haynesworth Archuleta Landon Norman Trotter Jeff George Randle El Barrow Brandon Lloyd Bruce Smith Who am I missing? Norman was at least good for a couple of years here. Randle El didn't suck either, he was at least a productive player(overpaid for sure but he wasn't a net negative like Collins). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) Can we hire an offensive guy to coach our team or defense? Have 2 defensive guys running the show is not working out. At least the offensive guy would provide some much needed perspective on what the **** is wrong with our tanking for an ace QB to draft. In a class so weak there is no ace QB so we will take another DL. Edited October 22, 2021 by RandyHolt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, RandyHolt said: Can we hire an offensive guy to coach our team or defense? Have 2 defensive guys running the show is not working out. At least the offensive guy would provide some much needed perspective on what the **** is wrong with our tanking for an ace QB to draft. In a class so weak there is no ace QB so we will take another DL. I think we're good sticking with zampese and Turner for a while. Good stability to grow with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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