New Stadium News?

[tomwvr]

17 minutes ago, bearrock said:

 

I wouldn't be opposed to a stadium in Loudoun or PW, but not sure why that would be preferable to National Harbor.  Also, given the name change, I'm surprised DC hasn't moved harder to just rebuild on RFK.  

Prince William is definitely too far out. 
I don’t get the problem with RFK also since the name is gone 

[tomwvr]

8 hours ago, Renegade7 said:

 

I see, so after further review:

 

 

Your screenshot shows distance to Loudoun, not Dulles.

 

 

It's basically the same distance as the old 49ers stadium and the new one, not a 20 mile difference like you are attempting to imply.

 

Has this killed the 49ers fanbase?  No, there were complaints but they still went.  Their stadium this year averaged out to 97% capacity compared to ours at 64%, dead last in the NFL.

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/attendance/_/sort/homePct

 

 You are complaing about the impact on Maryland fans while the stadium is already in Maryland and showing some of the worst attendance numbers in the NFL. It's worst in the NFL by fill percentage and anyone that's gone recently can tell those aren't all WFT fans, sometimes 50-50, I've been to an eagles game that was easily 80-20 Eagles fans

 

If we can't put the stadium in DC, it's either Maryland or Virginia.  All three are right next to each other in a way that is pretty unique to other stadiums.  SF is in the middle of California even, there were no other state fans they had to think about losing.

 

  Is the concern here because of how close the Ravens are to us, that they'll all become Ravens fans if WFT moves to Dulles?  How many fans from the most recent two generations are WFT fans anyway?  So much of that has to do with ineptitude of the franchise vs stadium location.

I won’t ever become a ravens fan.

when I was younger my son was 2 when the redskins won their last super bowl. I knew frank hertzog who attended the same church as myself . That year during the season the radio team Frank, Sam and Sonny wished my son a happy 2nd birthday. He has been a fan his whole life. This was the first year he did not want to go to a game. And no he is not now or ever will be a ravens fan.

I just know that montgomery county, PG county and southern maryland are still

very strong wft fan areas. And I know that most people In maryland hate the Virginia traffic. 

[Renegade7]

5 hours ago, dyst said:

 

Let’s be honest, most of the counties in Maryland that are reasonably close to DC and can accommodate a new stadium tend to have lower reputation when it comes to money and safety.

 

 

As much as I'm enjoying all this "**** Maryland" talk, we should step back a sec here.

 

Montgomery County is not as affluent as say Fairfax or Loudoun, but it is one of the highest median incomes in the country.  PG has the highest median income of any majority black county in the country. 

 

I can't speak to neighborhoods driving to the stadium because I haven't driven to a game since Gibbs first year back (technically I didn't drive, my dad did, I was too young).  But the walk from Morgan Boulevard Station to the stadium is in nice neighborhood, it's not the hood or anything like that.

 

I'm actually surprised Montgomery County doesn't come up more, aren't they still working on the purple line?

[ExoDus84]

8 hours ago, stoshuaj said:

they travel from Pitt, Philly, NY, etc.  Why? Bc tickets are readily available and their respective team isn’t a ****show.

 

Emphasized the incorrect part of your statement.

 

I mean, have you seen the Giants the last few years? WOOF.

[dyst]

33 minutes ago, bearrock said:

 

I wouldn't be opposed to a stadium in Loudoun or PW, but not sure why that would be preferable to National Harbor.  Also, given the name change, I'm surprised DC hasn't moved harder to just rebuild on RFK.  

The only preference should be DC. Everything else is just people trying to argue why their location makes sense.
 

National Harbor is nice. Rest of MD sucks. Loudon is away from DC but it has money and its safer. 

[Renegade7]

2 minutes ago, tomwvr said:

I won’t ever become a ravens fan.

when I was younger my son was 2 when the redskins won their last super bowl. I knew frank hertzog who attended the same church as myself . That year during the season the radio team Frank, Sam and Sonny wished my son a happy 2nd birthday. He has been a fan his whole life. This was the first year he did not want to go to a game. And no he is not now or ever will be a ravens fan.

I just know that montgomery county, PG county and southern maryland are still

very strong wft fan areas. And I know that most people In maryland hate the Virginia traffic. 

 

I feel you, man, my dad has been a fan longer then I've been alive and was very close to saying he was done going, too, this year.  That walk from the metro and back is starting to get to him, I can see it, he's getting older.  He'd never be a Ravens fan, either, neither would I.

 

But losing and dysfunction is clearly wearing this franchise down, and the case I'm trying to make is that matters far more then stadium location.  You really going to tell me with a straight face that if there was an NFC championship game around Dulles you wouldn't try to go because it's too far?  Is any Maryland fan really saying that?

 

And in fairness, most people in Virginia hate Virginia traffic.  Double down, most people in DC area hate DC area traffic, aren't we in the top 5 or worse in regards to traffic and congestion?

[tomwvr]

4 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

I feel you, man, my dad has been a fan longer then I've been alive and was very close to saying he was done going, too, this year.  That walk from the metro and back is starting to get to him, I can see it, he's getting older.  He'd never be a Ravens fan, either, neither would I.

 

But losing and dysfunction is clearly wearing this franchise down, and the case I'm trying to make is that matters far more then stadium location.  You really going to tell me with a straight face that if there was an NFC championship game around Dulles you wouldn't try to go because it's too far?  Is any Maryland fan really saying that?

 

And in fairness, most people in Virginia hate Virginia traffic.  Double down, most people in DC area hate DC area traffic, aren't we in the top 5 or worse in regards to traffic and congestion?

I would go to nva for a game. I used to drive in that insane traffic. I just know most people in maryland never cross the river and won’t go. 

[dyst]

9 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

As much as I'm enjoying all this "**** Maryland" talk, we should step back a sec here.

 

Montgomery County is not as affluent as say Fairfax or Loudoun, but it is one of the highest median incomes in the country.  PG has the highest median income of any majority black county in the country. 

 

I can't speak to neighborhoods driving to the stadium because I haven't driven to a game since Gibbs first year back (technically I didn't drive, my dad did, I was too young).  But the walk from Morgan Boulevard Station to the stadium is in nice neighborhood, it's not the hood or anything like that.

 

I'm actually surprised Montgomery County doesn't come up more, aren't they still working on the purple line?

The nicer parts of Maryland may not have the land/infrastructure? Montgomery is decent but isn’t it along the 270 cooridor? That area is notorious for traffic as bad as 95 south + I’ve heard DC and MD always disagree  with development around there but its hearsay.

[tomwvr]

3 minutes ago, dyst said:

The nicer parts of Maryland may not have the land/infrastructure? Montgomery is decent but isn’t it along the 270 cooridor? That area is notorious for traffic as bad as 95 south + I’ve heard DC and MD always disagree  with development around there but its hearsay.

270 is awful in the morning and evening. It is fine from 10am-4pm….

putting the stadium In Loudon would be like building in Frederick maryland and putting it in Prince William would be like putting it in Hagerstown maryland.

[dyst]

22 minutes ago, tomwvr said:

270 is awful in the morning and evening. It is fine from 10am-4pm….

putting the stadium In Loudon would be like building in Frederick maryland and putting it in Prince William would be like putting it in Hagerstown maryland.

Speaking of which, I tried to buy a home out in Frederick couple years ago. Nice open area, affordable new homes. Didn’t work out though. 
 

I feel like Loudon is in play, Prince Williams is out.

[tomwvr]

6 minutes ago, dyst said:

Speaking of which, I tried to buy a home out in Frederick couple years ago. Nice open area, affordable new homes. Didn’t work out though. 
 

I feel like Loudon is in play, Prince Williams is out.

 I grew up in Gaithersburg when it was a small town. Moved to Frederick county long ago. Two years ago I purchased a 120 year old home With over half an acre and love being up here.

several years ago I almost purchased a 7 acre lot and build a new home on it. The land owner wanted too much control over the house I wanted to build so i canceled it.

[purbeast]

And where in Montgomery County do you propose they build this big ass stadium?

 

Oh maybe they can finally do something with the White Flint space!

 

(not really - it's not big enough)

[Renegade7]

2 hours ago, tomwvr said:

I would go to nva for a game. I used to drive in that insane traffic. I just know most people in maryland never cross the river and won’t go. 

 

I mean, same for most Virginians not wanting to go to Maryland. 

 

You think I like jumping on the metro in Springfield, waiting an hour or more to get to Morgan Boulevard, take that long ass walk to the stadium?  I don't, and it sucks even more when we lose and even better with inclement weather.

 

The ideal compromise is the RFK site, but I'm concerned Virginia is going to offer more then DC to do it.

 

We gonna find out how badly Snyder wants back the RFK site over money in VA.  

3 hours ago, dyst said:

The nicer parts of Maryland may not have the land/infrastructure? Montgomery is decent but isn’t it along the 270 cooridor? That area is notorious for traffic as bad as 95 south + I’ve heard DC and MD always disagree  with development around there but its hearsay.

 

Montgomery County needs to defend itself here, that's not my job here, I don't know enough about its development compared to NOVA.  I know purple line will go through it, same as the beltway.  In terms of undeveloped land to build a 65k stadium, I'd have to look into it.

[Renegade7]

3 hours ago, tomwvr said:

270 is awful in the morning and evening. It is fine from 10am-4pm….

putting the stadium In Loudon would be like building in Frederick maryland and putting it in Prince William would be like putting it in Hagerstown maryland.

 

Cmon, man, I get your frustration, but don't exaggerate here. 

 

Hagerstown is 73 miles from DC, Woodbridge is only 23.  Hell, Woodbridge is closer to FedEx field then Dulles is (34 miles to 45 miles, respectively).

 

To me this is more about ways to get to stadium more then distance.  Metro gonna go to Dulles, not Hagerstown, Frederick, or Woodbridge.

Edited January 28, 2022 by Renegade7

[RVAskins]

To those who say they should build the stadium at the old RFK site. According to an article in the Richmond Time Dispatch, this is why it most likely won't happen.

 

The land itself is tied up in a mountain of red tape. It is owned by the federal government, managed by the Department of the Interior, and currently leased to the city. All three groups would have to align to make a stadium happen, and so far there have been no indications that will happen.

 

A second D.C. site is available at Anacostia Park, which is just across the river from baseball’s Nationals Park.

The problem with that site, though, is that it’s only big enough for a stadium, not the retail and other development the team wants to do as part of the site.

[tomwvr]

42 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

Cmon, man, I get your frustration, but don't exaggerate here. 

 

Hagerstown is 73 miles from DC, Woodbridge is only 23.  Hell, Woodbridge is closer to FedEx field then Dulles is (34 miles to 45 miles, respectively).

 

To me this is more about ways to get to stadium more then distance.  Metro gonna go to Dulles, not Hagerstown, Frederick, or Woodbridge.

Frederick is almost 50 miles 

 

44 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

Cmon, man, I get your frustration, but don't exaggerate here. 

 

Hagerstown is 73 miles from DC, Woodbridge is only 23.  Hell, Woodbridge is closer to FedEx field then Dulles is (34 miles to 45 miles, respectively).

 

To me this is more about ways to get to stadium more then distance.  Metro gonna go to Dulles, not Hagerstown, Frederick, or Woodbridge.

Leesburg is 40 miles to DC , Frederick is 50 miles. Travel time is pretty equal. my guess is The stadium will be out near Leesburg not Woodbridge.

currently the travel time from Hagerstown to DC is about 1 hour 10 mins and from haymarket to dc of 1 hour 5 mins.

 

 

 

 

 

14 minutes ago, RVAskins said:

To those who say they should build the stadium at the old RFK site. According to an article in the Richmond Time Dispatch, this is why it most likely won't happen.

 

The land itself is tied up in a mountain of red tape. It is owned by the federal government, managed by the Department of the Interior, and currently leased to the city. All three groups would have to align to make a stadium happen, and so far there have been no indications that will happen.

 

A second D.C. site is available at Anacostia Park, which is just across the river from baseball’s Nationals Park.

The problem with that site, though, is that it’s only big enough for a stadium, not the retail and other development the team wants to do as part of the site.

I was wondering how large that area was.

 

[88Comrade2000]

Who cares about MD fans. They have their own team, the Ravens.

[c slag]

2 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said:

Who cares about MD fans. They have their own team, the Ravens.

When I was in school, the Colts left Maryland and the Sunday 1pm regional game became the Redskins and that was probably how a bunch of people became fans 

[Commander -JB-]

It would be nice if the new stadium 🏟 is in DC like the Nats, Caps & Wizards.  That’s all I got.

[Voice_of_Reason]

17 hours ago, Renegade7 said:

 

As much as I'm enjoying all this "**** Maryland" talk, we should step back a sec here.

 

Montgomery County is not as affluent as say Fairfax or Loudoun, but it is one of the highest median incomes in the country.  PG has the highest median income of any majority black county in the country. 

 

I can't speak to neighborhoods driving to the stadium because I haven't driven to a game since Gibbs first year back (technically I didn't drive, my dad did, I was too young).  But the walk from Morgan Boulevard Station to the stadium is in nice neighborhood, it's not the hood or anything like that.

 

I'm actually surprised Montgomery County doesn't come up more, aren't they still working on the purple line?

I have absolutely nothing but love in my heart for Maryland, and I've NEVER lived outside the Commonwealth of VA.  (I even went to college in VA.  Every time I try to get out, they pull me back in.)

 

The problem with the current stadium location is Jack bought the land where it was cheapest, (after he couldn't get a deal with DC and the Fed when he even said he would pay for the stadium) because there WAS NOTHING THERE. I remember going to that site for Caps game as a kid in the 80's and early 90's.  It was literally the Caps Center in the middle of a bunch of fields.  And then Jack erected a tinker-toy like stadium, which was 10 years out of date the day it opened, in the middle of nowhere. 

 

The problem with Football Stadiums, especially OUTDOOR football stadiums in "bad weather" cities (We're not anything like NE, Miny, or Buffalo, but it still gets cold-ish here in the winter) is that there are only between 10-12 football games there per year, and you really can't have a lot of outdoor events at the stadium (other than football) from ~October - March.  Who really wants to go sit in the cold to watch a (name your favorite band here) concert?  And if it's in the middle of nowhere, you don't get any foot traffic or anything after the game.  People just leave instead of sticking around to spend money in bars or what not.  

 

So, a football stadium like FedEx cannot be a "growth driver" to the area.  At the same time, the Caps, Bullets/Wizzards and Georgetown Basketball moved out of the Caps center and down-town.  So there's REALLY nothing there.  

 

What Dan COULD have done years ago, is invested heavily in the surrounding area, moved the team facility there, but in retail residentual, and tried to get the first Casino there.  But I don't think he wanted to do that, because I think he wants to leave that plot of land rather than trying to develop that plot of land.  Just a guess.  (Or, he didn't have the foresight to really try, which is also very likely.) But that ship has sailed.  MGM is not far away, they're not getting another casino (maybe a sports book, but not a full casino), at the FedEx site. 

 

So that's why they're going to put the stadium in VA.  Dan can build (and hopefully Jason Wright is smart enough to know this, though his is the type of thing I think Dan actually would recognize and be good at) an "Entertainment Complex."  He can get a gaming license from VA, which would be the only one in Northern VA.  He can build a connected stadium (either something enclosed or retractable roof is my guess.  I am hoping for a retractable roof, but really don't care.  Attached sport book and casino, attached conference hotel, tons of retail and restaurants  That thing would PRINT money.  Even if the team stinks.  If they can ever figure out the team side of it, eh, you're really got something.

Also worth noting: At last report, which I think was 2 years ago, 60% of season ticket holders lived in VA.  So, there's something to that.  

 

 

 

[NewCliche21]

Ceding Maryland to the Ravens is ridiculous and a major loss that I don't think that Dan could take.

I grew up in Columbia, we won XXVI when I was in second grade.  This team is, was, and will be my favorite.  I've now moved east to Delaware, which is Eagles at least in the northern part, and I selfishly want to remain closer to DC, preferably in Maryland, so I can make my two kids as miserable as I am with a shorter car ride.

Moving your HQ changes your sphere of influence, and that vacuum will get filled by the Ravens and Eagles.  It wouldn't pick up any MORE fans for us, just lose established ones (that he's not suing).

Baltimore and Philly have their stadiums as their cities' respective skylines.  If we were able to do that for this team, with a separate sprawling campus wherever.  Jerry's World is in a place where there really is no city to have to work around because Texas.  

 

I don't even know the point of this post so I'll stop it here.

[stoshuaj]

19 hours ago, tomwvr said:

I would go to nva for a game. I used to drive in that insane traffic. I just know most people in maryland never cross the river and won’t go. 

You’re either a fan that wants to be at the game or you’re not.  Either is fine

 

But, if you want to be there, the move to Va will not keep you from doing so:

”He drove 6.5 hours to every Bills home game”….

https://news.yahoo.com/drove-6-5-hours-every-084154163.html

 

coincidentally, he’s from Va.

 

anecdotally, when we moved from MoCo to the Eastern Shore, we’d hop in the ‘55 Chevy w two spare tires for a back seat and drive past Baltimore to get to RFK 3+ hours away.  Why?Because my dad was a Skins fan, not a frigging Colts fan.  You will or you won’t but a little longer drive isn’t an excuse.

Edited January 28, 2022 by stoshuaj

[JamesMadisonSkins]

People will travel for games. And I guess my point has been ... if you build an entertainment complex you will attract people to come for more than just the game.

 

Suddenly, the idea of driving 2 hours to a game isn't so bad if you make a day of it. Or, maybe you even snag a hotel at the complex and make a bit of a day+ out of it. I think there's plenty of people who come to 1-2 games a year who would be willing to fork out another $200 to stay the night at some sweet as sports complex. Not to mention how many people would consider flying in for games from across the country who might come to 1 game a year and ruck it out to FexEx, who would come in for a couple weekends a season because of the access to the stadium.

 

I think the access to Dulles is more important than some realize. Both for access to visiting fans (whatever) ... and for international/domestic fans that probably don't have as much of an impetus to come in for games now because the stadium and access suck.

[dckey]

Has anyone seen the possible site at Dulles?  I fly out of there every other week and if they're talking about Metro being the reason, where will they put the Stadium?  The Metro line is attached to the Parking Garage and there is no land next to it.  You have the runways on one side and the Marriott and Commercial buildings in the other the nearest plot of land is about 2miles away and if that's the case you're still making people walk a long distance to get to the Stadium.  Just interested to see how they would use that land and Metro.

[LightningBuggs]

4 minutes ago, dckey said:

Has anyone seen the possible site at Dulles?  I fly out of there every other week and if they're talking about Metro being the reason, where will they put the Stadium?  The Metro line is attached to the Parking Garage and there is no land next to it.  You have the runways on one side and the Marriott and Commercial buildings in the other the nearest plot of land is about 2miles away and if that's the case you're still making people walk a long distance to get to the Stadium.  Just interested to see how they would use that land and Metro.

 

I believe the plot being discussed is near the next Metro stop west of Dulles, Loudoun Gateway.  There is enough land near that station.

 

FWIW, the local Loudoun Time-Mirror online site released an article a couple days ago that the WFT had contacted the Loudoun Board of Supervisors seeking a meeting to discuss the stadium.  The chairwoman of the board said a meeting would be scheduled.