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1 hour ago, dckey said:

this is incorrect, if they move to Dulles it will be the farthest relocation of a stadium in NFL history.  Those are facts!!!!   While I personally don't want them to move that far away, I understand from a business standpoint (if you're building a casino) why you would make that move.  And this whole thing about Metro needing to be there is crazy, if you've been to FedEx majority of the people have been driving there in the past few years, trains have not been packed with WFT fans!!!!

 

That's not a fact at all.

 

Levi stadium is 42 miles from SF.

 

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Dulles is 28 miles from DC.

 

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And I have been going to games the last couple years, even went to the Tampa game this year, have you been taking the metro? 

 

Morgan Boulevard Station is closet to the stadium next to Largo Town Center, there's typically so many people on the platform at Morgan when leaving the game that it makes me uncomfortable, a sudden bum rush and folks are getting pushed into the tracks, it's like rush hour near Gallery Place pre-COVID. 

 

There is a conga line of folks leaving the stadium every daytime home game heading to the metro, I don't have the numbers to show driving vs metro, but saying the trains are not packed is simply not true. 

 

What is true is they are not all WFT fans, and the ugly truth is that's what Synder is going to factor into his decision on where to put the stadium, can fans get their period, not jus his team's fans.

 

Anyway, despite all its faults, DC metro is one of the best subway systems in the country.  Not utilizing it for the fan base would be maddening, it's already bad enough the team can't keep the damn thing open for night games.

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2 hours ago, tomwvr said:

This team can not afford to lose more fans. Moving to Loudon will lose half of the remaining fans.

 

if the name sucks and the stadium goes to Loudon or even worse Prince Williams county you will only draw from Virginia  

People keep thinking that but I wouldn’t be surprised if most of the 10K fans that fill the stadium come from Virginia anyways. 

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5 hours ago, hail2skins said:

I figured that one of the casinos agreed to in VA would end up in No VA.

 

Be interesting to see to what extent the place would take a bite out of MGM or even Charles Town. And you know the table mins are gonna be stupidly steep. They are at MGM and it has to be hands down the least fun casinos I've ever been to.

The casino locations are established already and in place.  Basically, in ****holes that are scratching for cash.   The voters in the individual localities must approve first.  Richmond voters shot it down.  What’s the pulse of the constituencies in either Loudoun or Fairfax signing off on this, especially with a tie in to Napoleon?  I don’t think a new stadium w a casino tie in package is going to be that easy.  Two distinct and separate negotiations.

 

Virginia gambling legislation allows one casino in each of five cities: Danville, Bristol, Portsmouth, Norfolk and Richmond. Richmond residents rejected their casino in the Nov, 2, 2021 election. Voters in the other four cities approved their casinos on Nov. 3, 2020.”

 

way more regarding the establishment of casinos in Va at the link:

 

https://www.500nations.com/Virginia_Casinos.asp

 

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11 hours ago, dyst said:

People keep thinking that but I wouldn’t be surprised if most of the 10K fans that fill the stadium come from Virginia anyways. 

Have you been to a game , most licenses plates in parking are Maryland tags.

6 hours ago, bearrock said:

Is there any jurisdiction other than Virginia that's showing interest?

Maryland is. They tried to trade some land inside the beltway near National harbor with some land in western maryland with the federal government but gave up on it when the redskins did not show interest.

 

 

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48 minutes ago, tomwvr said:

Have you been to a game , most licenses plates in parking are Maryland tags.

Thinking about it, I haven’t been to a game in over a decade. Maybe it was during the 2nd Gibbs rodeo.

 

Even then, if you lose MD fans moving it to VA - then I am sure they’ll pick up Virginia fans to replace them.

 

Build a new nice stadium in a safe wealthy location, wherever it may be, start winning and the fans will eventually come. 

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8 hours ago, dckey said:

Please read what I stated!!!!  I said the STADIUM would be the furthest relocation in the history of the NFL.Screenshot_20220126-235113.thumb.png.7ecdb741186b0a429dbcd78282b98b54.pngScreenshot_20220126-234935.thumb.png.b8a36193917434f3003a8b89721cbe10.png

 

I see, so after further review:

 

14 hours ago, dckey said:

this is incorrect, if they move to Dulles it will be the farthest relocation of a stadium in NFL history.  

 

Your screenshot shows distance to Loudoun, not Dulles.

 

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It's basically the same distance as the old 49ers stadium and the new one, not a 20 mile difference like you are attempting to imply.

 

Has this killed the 49ers fanbase?  No, there were complaints but they still went.  Their stadium this year averaged out to 97% capacity compared to ours at 64%, dead last in the NFL.

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/attendance/_/sort/homePct

 

 You are complaing about the impact on Maryland fans while the stadium is already in Maryland and showing some of the worst attendance numbers in the NFL. It's worst in the NFL by fill percentage and anyone that's gone recently can tell those aren't all WFT fans, sometimes 50-50, I've been to an eagles game that was easily 80-20 Eagles fans

 

If we can't put the stadium in DC, it's either Maryland or Virginia.  All three are right next to each other in a way that is pretty unique to other stadiums.  SF is in the middle of California even, there were no other state fans they had to think about losing.

 

  Is the concern here because of how close the Ravens are to us, that they'll all become Ravens fans if WFT moves to Dulles?  How many fans from the most recent two generations are WFT fans anyway?  So much of that has to do with ineptitude of the franchise vs stadium location.

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17 minutes ago, dyst said:

Thinking about it, I haven’t been to a game in over a decade. Maybe it was during the 2nd Gibbs rodeo.

 

Even then, if you lose MD fans moving it to VA - then I am sure they’ll pick up Virginia fans to replace them.

 

Build a new nice stadium in a safe wealthy location, wherever it may be, start winning and the fans will eventually come. 

No one in Virginia that is not currently a fan will become a fan just because of a stadium. If that is a reason they become a fan they won’t be fans long.

 

As I have stated with links and stats maryland has more redskins (wft) then ravens fans in the entire state and that pg, montgomery and southern maryland counties have 2-3 times more redskins fans then ravens fans in them. And moving to Loudon county or prince William county Virginia or will drive these folks away . 
 

I worked in Herndon for a year (including weekends) it took me over an hour every day just to get across the bridge. 
sorry but it is a no go for maryland fans.

 

and I have been a fan since the 72 skins went to the super bowl when I was 6.

 

I will never become a ravens fan but I will not spend money on a team that is the Virginia (what ever the new name is)

 

changing the name and moving 40-60 miles from dc will kill off most of the fan base in maryland and DC
 

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6 hours ago, tomwvr said:

……..

Quite a few supposed absolutes in this post that are purely conjecture.

 

Not all of the opposing team fans that routinely take over the stadium come from DC, they travel from Pitt, Philly, NY, etc.  Why? Bc tickets are readily available and their respective team isn’t a ****show.

 

Fix the franchise and the fans will show up no matter where they play.  (And here’s a lil secret, it also won’t matter what color they wear or what their name is ;)

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3 minutes ago, stoshuaj said:

Quote a few supposed absolutes in this post that are purely conjecture.

 

Not all of the opposing team fans that routinely take over the stadium come from DC, they travel from Pitt, Philly, NY, etc.  Why? Bc tickets are readily available and their respective team isn’t a ****show.

 

Fix the franchise and the fans will show up no matter where they play.  

Dan will never fix it.

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@tomwvr most fans don't go to games or have never been to games, even if they live in the area.  I know people born and raised in DC that have never been inside the capitol building.

 

Throwing out the number of fans in certain parts of the state isn't akin to where most of the fans going to the games are coming from.

 

What do Maryland fans have to say to folks coming from Pennsylvania, Hampton Roads, or North Carolina? It hurts going to games and talking to fans from these places why they drive so far to see this kinda crap in person. We are losing them because the franchise is a joke, not stadium location.

 

Moving the stadium may have an impact on Maryland fans going to games because of being used to it being in Maryland, but if folks want to stop being a fan over that, they have to accept that this move won't be out of spite, it will be because Maryland government doesn't want to do the same business as Virginia government, it's business, not personal. 

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15 minutes ago, tomwvr said:

Dan will never fix it.

I didn’t in any way say that he would.  


I was replying to your absolute statements of “no one”, “won’t be”, “will kill off”.  Those are opinions and my opinion is that if, IF the team, not unlike any other team, was a winner, fans would absolutely show up no matter where they played. 

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1 hour ago, tomwvr said:

No one in Virginia that is not currently a fan will become a fan just because of a stadium. If that is a reason they become a fan they won’t be fans long.

 

As I have stated with links and stats maryland has more redskins (wft) then ravens fans in the entire state and that pg, montgomery and southern maryland counties have 2-3 times more redskins fans then ravens fans in them. And moving to Loudon county or prince William county Virginia or will drive these folks away . 
 

I worked in Herndon for a year (including weekends) it took me over an hour every day just to get across the bridge. 
sorry but it is a no go for maryland fans.

 

and I have been a fan since the 72 skins went to the super bowl when I was 6.

 

I will never become a ravens fan but I will not spend money on a team that is the Virginia (what ever the new name is)

 

changing the name and moving 40-60 miles from dc will kill off most of the fan base in maryland and DC
 

No offense to our Maryland folks but who cares if Maryland fans get upset over the team moving into Virginia. It’s not like Maryland has been some goldmine of success for the team over the years. In fact, its been a failure ever since it got there.
 

I am not suggesting a new stadium by itself will grow the fanbase. Not even sure where you got that from. The most important thing to growing the fanbase is winning, which we can’t get right regardless of location.

 

However if you are going to suck, which we clearly will under Snyder then you might as well build a nice stadium in a nice area that has access to public transportation, an airport, money and safety.

 

Let’s be honest, most of the counties in Maryland that are reasonably close to DC and can accommodate a new stadium tend to have lower reputation when it comes to money and safety.

 

It’s probably a huge reason why DC residents and Virginia residents don’t even want to go to FedEx Field. Sure the team sucks, but so does the area. Maryland folks don’t mind because that dump is in their backyard.
 

You not going to Loudon because its too far is probably the same reason why a gluttony of Virginia fans don’t go to FedEx…because its too far and its a dump there. 
 

Also, its hilarious you suggest anyone in Virginia who becomes a fan of the stadium won’t be fans for long and then simultaneously say that if the team moves to Virginia, you’ll no longer support them. Are you a fan of the “team” or the stadium. 
 

Long story short, who cares that Maryland fans are sad if they have to drive 8 days a year for an hour to get to the stadium. People act like they would make that drive every day. Its 8 home games a year, if people can’t handle that, then big whoop.

 

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Just now, lavar1156 said:

National Harbor makes the most sense which is why it probably wont happen. DC, MD, and VA all meet right there. That region could become a world class entertainment district. 

National Harbor is the only place in MD that would be decent but since there is no metro right there and its right next to the Wilson Bridge - the traffic would be hell because of having just one access point. I do like that area though.

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The Command Center Plaza is going to be so cool. I hope it has an amusement park and the lazy river moat. Being next to an airport is great. I can plan my trips back to the states and stop over there, without having to go through the mess of the city.

 

They could build a small team hall of fame for our retired guys. Hail to our history center.

 

They can do so much with this.

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I live in Rockville and haven't even wanted to go to a game since 2011.  It is a combination of it taking the entire day and having a ****ty product, when I can consume it at home on a 10 foot screen and be at my house to see them catch the L.

 

I had so much fun going to games and tailgating is the best part since the product sucks.  But since they have sucked so bad since then, it is just not worth an entire day going to the game to me and I live like 20-25 minutes away if no traffic.  But it is an all day thing when going to a game.  We used to get there at 9am for a 1pm game.  Then we would post tailgate after because going onto 495 after the game was a waste of time sitting in traffic not going anywhere.  I usually wouldn't get home until like 7pm or so for a 1pm game.

 

I can say for certain that if they move the stadium out to Loudoun county, I will never go to a ****ing game that is that far away from me, having to spend even MORE time on 495.  

 

People saying "there is no traffic on the weekend on 495" are delusional.  My wife's family lives in Alexandria and no matter what time of day you go there on the weekend, there is traffic that starts prior to the bridge heading into VA, due to the cluster****, that is Tyson's Corner.  I hate having to drive to VA for any reason at this point because of that ****.

 

Then coming back to MD across that bridge, there is ALWAYS ****ing traffic because of the dumbasses that have to slow down to go own the ****ing hill onto the bridge and slam their brakes.  Once you start going up the hill, traffic magically stops.  But that traffic is like ALWAYS backed up to Tysons as well.

 

Oh and let's not talk about the 66 traffic that is going on 24/7. 

 

Combine all of that crap with people now heading that way for a game?  

 

Yeah **** that, hard pass.  I'll still be a fan forever but I don't know if I'd ever go to a game out that way.

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17 hours ago, dyst said:

People keep thinking that but I wouldn’t be surprised if most of the 10K fans that fill the stadium come from Virginia anyways. 

You're totally correct. 

 

The Ravens have broken off a lot of the casual MD fans anyway.  And getting to the Dulles area from Montgomery County really isn't that hard.  Hop on the beltway, hop on the toll road, and whammo.  Sunday games, there shouldn't be a lot of traffic until you get to normal stadium traffic near the site.   Monday and Thursday games are going to suck.  But they already do.  And would suck for DC as well unless you were already in the city.  Which most people aren't.  So that's all a tie of suckitude.

 

As a side note, and as a Virginian who was a former season ticket holder, we have been schlepping to that ****hole in MD for 25 years.  It's somebody else's turn goddamit.

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29 minutes ago, purbeast said:

I live in Rockville and haven't even wanted to go to a game since 2011.  It is a combination of it taking the entire day and having a ****ty product, when I can consume it at home on a 10 foot screen and be at my house to see them catch the L.

 

I had so much fun going to games and tailgating is the best part since the product sucks.  But since they have sucked so bad since then, it is just not worth an entire day going to the game to me and I live like 20-25 minutes away if no traffic.  But it is an all day thing when going to a game.  We used to get there at 9am for a 1pm game.  Then we would post tailgate after because going onto 495 after the game was a waste of time sitting in traffic not going anywhere.  I usually wouldn't get home until like 7pm or so for a 1pm game.

 

I can say for certain that if they move the stadium out to Loudoun county, I will never go to a ****ing game that is that far away from me, having to spend even MORE time on 495.  

 

People saying "there is no traffic on the weekend on 495" are delusional.  My wife's family lives in Alexandria and no matter what time of day you go there on the weekend, there is traffic that starts prior to the bridge heading into VA, due to the cluster****, that is Tyson's Corner.  I hate having to drive to VA for any reason at this point because of that ****.

 

Then coming back to MD across that bridge, there is ALWAYS ****ing traffic because of the dumbasses that have to slow down to go own the ****ing hill onto the bridge and slam their brakes.  Once you start going up the hill, traffic magically stops.  But that traffic is like ALWAYS backed up to Tysons as well.

 

Oh and let's not talk about the 66 traffic that is going on 24/7. 

 

Combine all of that crap with people now heading that way for a game?  

 

Yeah **** that, hard pass.  I'll still be a fan forever but I don't know if I'd ever go to a game out that way.

Understandable, but for everyone like that there are many people on the Virginia side that feel the same. Its a chore getting to a game all the way on the other side of DC in Maryland, big part of the reason I haven't been to a game since 2013. If the stadium is built in Virginia though Ill be going to games again.

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9 hours ago, tomwvr said:

Maryland is. They tried to trade some land inside the beltway near National harbor with some land in western maryland with the federal government but gave up on it when the redskins did not show interest.

 

I wouldn't be opposed to a stadium in Loudoun or PW, but not sure why that would be preferable to National Harbor.  Also, given the name change, I'm surprised DC hasn't moved harder to just rebuild on RFK.  

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