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Where inside the beltway is there an unused plot of land greater than 200 acres that Snyder can move to?  If there was landscape that large available, that would obviously be the first choice.  Since there's not any free space of that size within 30 miles of DC, it makes it easier to understand why the team would want to build out in Loudoun County, where you have loads of upper middle class and rich families living, plus a new Metro station that will open up in the next year that you can build around with new housing and commercial developments.  All of this by the way, a mere 5-10 minutes from an International Airport (Dulles).  It's almost a foregone conclusion when you think about it.

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1 hour ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

 

This is kind of what I have been driving at. If you build it, they will come. If you build a Las Vegas or Jerry World style entertainment complex with Sports Book, dining, etnertainment, hotels, etc. ... the football game is just one element of a massive scheme.

 

SO yes, it would possibly drive away some Maryland fans ... but I think the entire experience will draw in more people in general. They will create an environment that is attractive to fans of any team, and hope that they get a larger fan base, and attract WFT fans on Sundays, but that is not the driving priority here.

 

And the best place to build this entertainment superplex is next to the international airport, accessible via rail and road easily from most of the DMV region, on the border of the two richest counties in the country. I'm sorry, but I doubt they're looking at the fanbase in Mount Airy and making a stadium so that it is "reasonably accessible" to rural areas of southern Maryland ... come on now

 

THIS needs to be the focus. Not the football team fans, or the product on Sundays. The best place to drop a Las Vegas or Dallas stadium into the DMV is at Dulles, period.

While I understand that you believe the best place is Dulles, if you could build anywhere in the DMV that would attract the most people, not the richest people, it would not be in Dulles.  The population of PG County alone is twice the size of Loudoun County.  I could almost guarantee that if the Stadium was in DC or National Harbor you would have more people attending that location for more than football.  If you're in the entertainment business than you want to be as centrally located as possible.  Let's just say he created this big sportsplex in Dulles and he has more fans in the stadium.  Do you believe that after those 8 games the business, shopping and entertainment would generate more revenue than if it was located on the Beltway?  I sure don't believe that.  People keep comparing this to Dallas, first of all there was never a time that people didn't travel outside of Dallas to get to the games and location.  While Loudoun County is a popular business location, it's entertainment value would never equal that of being on the Beltway.  What could they build that would make someone travel an extra 45min that is not already on the Beltway.  You want your entertainment venues to be where the most population is.  Don't get me wrong, I don't believe that having it in Virginia is a bad thing.  If you had the land, Alexandria and Arlington would be great locations on the water.

8 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:
 

 

This would be the game changer!!!  If you're able to build an entertainment piece like a Casino then I can understand moving to Loudoun County.  You need something else to generate attendance outside of football.

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13 minutes ago, dckey said:

 

This would be the game changer!!!  If you're able to build an entertainment piece like a Casino then I can understand moving to Loudoun County.  You need something else to generate attendance outside of football.

 

That's what I have been saying! I wasn't envisioning a full-blown casino ... more a sports book and conferencing facility. But that's why National Harbor makes no sense to me ... you can't be competing with MGM over there. And there's simply nothing like that in Northern Virginia.

 

So take the casino/sports book, add the hotel element for conferencing ... and drop it walking distance from the silver line and 1 stop from a major international airport.

 

It becomes a true entertainment draw that people would be willing to travel for. I was talking to some friends from Richmond about this "concept" and they were basically like, hell yeah, I'll come to a couple games a year and just come up Saturday, hit the casino, stay the night, go to the game, head back Sunday evening ... it becomes a draw.

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7 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

 

That's what I have been saying! I wasn't envisioning a full-blown casino ... more a sports book and conferencing facility. But that's why National Harbor makes no sense to me ... you can't be competing with MGM over there. And there's simply nothing like that in Northern Virginia.

 

So take the casino/sports book, add the hotel element for conferencing ... and drop it walking distance from the silver line and 1 stop from a major international airport.

 

It becomes a true entertainment draw that people would be willing to travel for. I was talking to some friends from Richmond about this "concept" and they were basically like, hell yeah, I'll come to a couple games a year and just come up Saturday, hit the casino, stay the night, go to the game, head back Sunday evening ... it becomes a draw.

which is why I thought national harbor was better because of MGM.  I didn't think a Stadium with shopping was enough, you need that big entertainment piece and a Casino would definitely give you that presence!!!

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1 hour ago, dckey said:

which is why I thought national harbor was better because of MGM.  I didn't think a Stadium with shopping was enough, you need that big entertainment piece and a Casino would definitely give you that presence!!!

You have gaylord and MGM at national harbor and other hotels.  You can easily make a gaming and entertainment/bar district there. 

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3 minutes ago, skinfan2k said:

You have gaylord and MGM at national harbor and other hotels.  You can easily make a gaming and entertainment/bar district there. 

 

I would think you would prefer team owned facilities.

If we can build an entertainment park where we own everything... lookout.

 

A Stadium, a casino, a resort, a mini six-flags... Home field advantage would be a thing of the past but dang if you don't rake in cake.

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2 minutes ago, skinfan2k said:

You have gaylord and MGM at national harbor and other hotels.  You can easily make a gaming and entertainment/bar district there. 

While I agree that the National Harbor would be a better location, but I do understand that if I partner with a new Casino in Loudoun County associated with my new stadium.  The revenue would be greater for Snyder at that location.  If he built a stadium in National Harbor he would not be sharing any revenue with MGM.  Guess it depends on what he's getting in Revenue shares from the Loudoun location.

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2 minutes ago, FootballZombie said:

 

I would think you would prefer team owned facilities.

If we can build an entertainment park where we own everything... lookout.

 

A Stadium, a casino, a resort, a mini six-flags... Home field advantage would be a thing of the past but dang if you don't rake in cake.

i dont think Dan would ever get the rights to operate a casino.  They aren't going to give him a license to operate one. 

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1 minute ago, skinfan2k said:

i dont think Dan would ever get the rights to operate a casino.  They aren't going to give him a license to operate one. 

 

Not a problem

Anyone who can get a license would be willing to send a % to Snyder to operate a casino in an area w/ guaranteed thru-put and drunk people.

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I figured that one of the casinos agreed to in VA would end up in No VA.

 

Be interesting to see to what extent the place would take a bite out of MGM or even Charles Town. And you know the table mins are gonna be stupidly steep. They are at MGM and it has to be hands down the least fun casinos I've ever been to.

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1 hour ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

 

That's what I have been saying! I wasn't envisioning a full-blown casino ... more a sports book and conferencing facility. But that's why National Harbor makes no sense to me ... you can't be competing with MGM over there. And there's simply nothing like that in Northern Virginia.

 

So take the casino/sports book, add the hotel element for conferencing ... and drop it walking distance from the silver line and 1 stop from a major international airport.

 

It becomes a true entertainment draw that people would be willing to travel for. I was talking to some friends from Richmond about this "concept" and they were basically like, hell yeah, I'll come to a couple games a year and just come up Saturday, hit the casino, stay the night, go to the game, head back Sunday evening ... it becomes a draw.

In my mind, I picture this amazing complex that is elegant housing the stadium, casino, shops, hotel, restaurants and maybe even their new practice facility. But, in reality it will probably look so tacky since I'm not that confident that Snyder has taste that looks good.

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6 minutes ago, FootballZombie said:

 

Not a problem

Anyone who can get a license would be willing to send a % to Snyder to operate a casino in an area w/ guaranteed thru-put and drunk people.

 A casino not operated by a power player will not be a draw.  MGM or live are big names. 

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2 minutes ago, dyst said:

In my mind, I picture this amazing complex that is elegant housing the stadium, casino, shops, hotel, restaurants and maybe even their new practice facility. But, in reality it will probably look so tacky since I'm not that confident that Snyder has taste that looks good.

 

You and I have the exact same vision, yet I agree, somehow Snyder will find a way to screw it up. BUT, maybe the NFL will have some oversight to make sure that doesn't happen.

 

It has been stated that the WFT facilities in Ashburn are awful. They need to be revamped completely.


That land is pretty valuable, and it's surrounded by data centers. I would think they could easily (and will) incorporate a new training faciity into the complex. That's a no brainer. Sell Ashburn rights to Amazon or something for $50m. Loudoun County would be thrilled ... the tax revenue from another data center, maintain WFT but in a much nicer venue.

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7 hours ago, dckey said:

Technically you are correct!!!  West Virginia is a part of the Washington Area as well, should we build there?  As far as commuting, I know people that commute from West Virginia, Pennsylvania everyday to the Pentagon, There are a lot of people from Laurel and Columbia that commute to DC everyday and Howard County is not a part of the Washington Area.  There is no train service to Southern MD.  so are they not a part of the Washington Area cause they do not have a train service?  I might be biased because I grew up in N.W. DC and I see majority of the fans relocating from DC to MD.  The population of MD in the Washington Area is equal to the Population in Virginia, both about 3 million so to just eliminate the MD fans would be foolish when those were the majority of your fanbase to begin with.  Just for reference the Stadium would be 78 miles away from someone that lives in Southern MD. 

 

DMV is not specific to just where folks are commuting to DC from.

 

The definition has roots in Hip Hop and GoGo music, but most universally agree its at minimum NOVA, PG County, Montgomery County, and of course DC. 

 

I remember thinking all of Maryland and Virginia was included at one time while living in Hampton Roads, but it's not.

 

I know someone who commutes from West Virginia as well, but he and no one I've ever met has claimed where he's from to be part of the DMV.

 

As has been noted, the stadium is in Maryland and no one is really going anymore.  Is moving it to Loudoun really going to make that huge of a difference?  Complaining about Southern Maryland is like complaing about Richmond, imo, or Ladysmith. 

 

Moving to Loudoun isn't going to eliminate the Maryland fans that are left, and they are going to come if they start winning, same as folks from North Carolina and Hampton Roads.

 

We need to be realistic here and accept some hard truths, there's nowhere to put the stadium inside the beltway expect the RFK site, and it's entirely possible that that isn't an option because of forces out of our control, like Congress. Maryland fans need to get that or go root for the Ravens.

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3 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

DMV is not specific to just where folks are commuting to DC from.

 

The definition has roots in Hip Hop and GoGo music, but most universally agree its at minimum NOVA, PG County, Montgomery County, and of course DC. 

 

I remember thinking all of Maryland and Virginia was included at one time while living in Hampton Roads, but it's not.

 

I know someone who commutes from West Virginia as well, but he and no one I've ever met has claimed where he's from to be part of the DMV.

 

As has been noted, the stadium is in Maryland and no one is really going anymore.  Is moving it to Loudoun really going to make that huge of a difference?  Complaining about Southern Maryland is like complaing about Richmond, imo, or Ladysmith. 

 

Moving to Loudoun isn't going to eliminate the Maryland fans that are left, and they are going to come if they start winning, same as folks from North Carolina and Hampton Roads.

 

We need to be realistic here and accept some hard truths, there's nowhere to put the stadium inside the beltway expect the RFK site, and it's entirely possible that that isn't an option because of forces out of our control, like Congress. Maryland fans need to get that or go root for the Ravens.

Yes because the stadium in maryland is right on the beltway. If they can build it within 2 miles of the beltway va would

be okay other then that if they move the team to Loudon county or prince Williams va will absolutely run 90

percent of the Maryland fans away.

 

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3 hours ago, dckey said:

which is why I thought national harbor was better because of MGM.  I didn't think a Stadium with shopping was enough, you need that big entertainment piece and a Casino would definitely give you that presence!!!

 

Not without metro, getting in and out of there 65k+ people at a time will be a nightmare, hard pass.  

41 minutes ago, tomwvr said:

Yes because the stadium in maryland is right on the beltway. If they can build it within 2 miles of the beltway va would

be okay other then that if they move the team to Loudon county or prince Williams va Washington should be given a new team to destroy Dan’s team

 

 

This is getting ridiculous, multiple examples of teams playing as far or further then Loudoun is from DC, but they aren't changing the name of the area they represent. 

 

Training Camp and Team HQ are already in Virginia (Richmond and Loudoun respectively) and not once has anyone seriously considered renaming them after Virginia. 

 

Yall need to let that go, let's complain about the commute vs renaming them, because they are not going to stop being the DC area team unless they leave the DC area.

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5 hours ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

 

Huh? How is Loudoun County not in the DMV area? It's the fastest growing County in the U.S for like 10 years (which they took from Fairfax who held the distinction for 10 years prior) ... the richest 2 counties in the U.S. (I think) ... Not to mention the stadium site is clearly going to focus on the border of Loudoun and Fairfax, across from IAD. Are you saying Dulles is not in the DMV area? What?

 

I just googled "Downtown DC to Dulles" ...

 

31 min (25.1 mi) via I-66 W and VA-267 W

 

Pretty damn accessible.

You sir, must be a Virginian.

 

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2 hours ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

 

That's what I have been saying! I wasn't envisioning a full-blown casino ... more a sports book and conferencing facility. But that's why National Harbor makes no sense to me ... you can't be competing with MGM over there. And there's simply nothing like that in Northern Virginia.

 

So take the casino/sports book, add the hotel element for conferencing ... and drop it walking distance from the silver line and 1 stop from a major international airport.

 

It becomes a true entertainment draw that people would be willing to travel for. I was talking to some friends from Richmond about this "concept" and they were basically like, hell yeah, I'll come to a couple games a year and just come up Saturday, hit the casino, stay the night, go to the game, head back Sunday evening ... it becomes a draw.

I think if they move to VA, it's going to be a full-on Conference Hotel/Casino/Sports-Book/Stadium with across the street high-rise condos, and tons of retail and restaurant options.

 

I'm kindof envisioning the City Center in Vegas, except smaller and connected to a state of the art stadium.  

 

And they would PRINT money because there are no casinos of any kind in VA, I don't think.  

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45 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

Not without metro, getting in and out of there 65k+ people at a time will be a nightmare, hard pass.  

 

This is getting ridiculous, multiple examples of teams playing as far or further then Loudoun is from DC, but they aren't changing the name of the area they represent. 

 

Training Camp and Team HQ are already in Virginia (Richmond and Loudoun respectively) and not once has anyone seriously considered renaming them after Virginia. 

 

Yall need to let that go, let's complain about the commute vs renaming them, because they are not going to stop being the DC area team unless they leave the DC area.

this is incorrect, if they move to Dulles it will be the farthest relocation of a stadium in NFL history.  Those are facts!!!!   While I personally don't want them to move that far away, I understand from a business standpoint (if you're building a casino) why you would make that move.  And this whole thing about Metro needing to be there is crazy, if you've been to FedEx majority of the people have been driving there in the past few years, trains have not been packed with WFT fans!!!!

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20 minutes ago, dckey said:

And this whole thing about Metro needing to be there is crazy, if you've been to FedEx majority of the people have been driving there in the past few years, trains have not been packed with WFT fans!!!!

Its more of a general desire to have the option of taking Metro to games and having a station which is closer than Morgan Blvd is to FedEx and for folks (especially non-tailgaters) to avoid parking costs, which are currently $50 per vehicle and god knows how much it will be at the new stadium.  A friend of mine who lives in San Diego attended a game at SoFi in LA this season. He paid $60 to park in the Hollywood Park casino garage, and he said it took him two hours alone just to get out of the garage after the game.  What a deal! I certainly recall the days of RFK of everyone pushing to get down the Metro entrances, but that seems better than folks forking over that type of money for parking and encountering that nonsense.

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6 minutes ago, hail2skins said:

Its more of a general desire to have the option of taking Metro to games and having a station which is closer than Morgan Blvd is to FedEx and for folks (especially non-tailgaters) to avoid parking costs, which are currently $50 per vehicle and god knows how much it will be at the new stadium.  A friend of mine who lives in San Diego attended a game at SoFi in LA this season. He paid $60 to park in the Hollywood Park casino garage, and he said it took him two hours alone just to get out of the garage after the game.  What a deal! I certainly recall the days of RFK of everyone pushing to get down the Metro entrances, but that seems better than folks forking over that type of money for parking and encountering that nonsense.

Fed ex as awful as it is is only 1.2 miles from the metro .

Rfk is 1/2 a mile from metro. 
 

a bit over a 20 min walk, which is not unreasonable 

 

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, tomwvr said:

I used to commute from mt airy md to Herndon va for work. If I took the beltway it was 1 hour there 3 hours home .

if I took 15 and went around through leesburg it was 1 hour there and 2 hours home.

 

Sorry but moving out to Dulles or even worse down 95 in prince william county is a no go for maryland fans. 
 

and lastly maryland roads are not a mess like nva is . 

 

Not one person in Virginia that is not currently a fan will become a fan due to a stadium being built in northern VA.

 

the new stadium must be within 2-3 miles of the beltway or in DC. If it is any other place it will be an abject failure and lose fan support 

The point is very simple there isn’t the land for it inside the beltway. Not for what Dan wants which is a giant complex with multiple uses that can be used year round. And I’ve made the point before what would drive away more fans? An 30 min to hour longer drive or $10,000 PSLs? Cause guess what the few season tickets holders we do have left are going to be priced out. You know what your best bet of avoiding PSLs is? That’s Dan getting the land he wants to build the complex he wants sports book and all. Because guess what real estate/gambling dollars far outweighs PSL money. So if you’ve got somewhere inside the beltway that can house a stadium with parking, hotels, restaurants, retail and even seen housing included please point it out. RFK and national harbor are complete non starters for those exact reasons. 

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