A New Start! (the Reboot) The Front Office, Ownership, & Coaching Staff Thread

[Commander PK]

51 minutes ago, Rdskns2000 said:

I don’t think much happens because this behavior probably isn’t exclusive to the Redskins. This behavior probably exists on other NFL teams and the last thing the NFL wants; is for the press to start looking at other teams. 

 

I agree.

 

You better have your own house in order before you rake somebody else over the coals for things that are also going on in your organization.  Once you go all self-righteous...expect a thorough examination of what goes on under your roof as well.  Not saying that it's right, but it's the way of the world.    

[spjunkies]

2 minutes ago, kleese said:

There are levels to bad behavior. Punching someone in the face without provocation is bad. Hitting them in the head with a hammer is worse. Killing them is worse than that. And each level of offense should draw a punishment fitting of said offense. 
 

No different here. Being a creeper is bad. It should get you fired and vilified. But it’s not the same as actually assaulting someone. This is what we were led to believe might be the story. And it wasn’t. So know the punishments should fit. From what I read I don’t believe any of the former employees broke the law. Please correct me if I wrong as I’m far from an expert on that, but I don’t think any criminal action can be taken. And none of those mentioned work for the organization anymore either. So there just isn’t much else left to do other than profusely apologize and take a deep dive into making sure it doesn’t happen again. 

 

Santos allegedly did some groping. Even without that this whole situation links to making the cheerleaders escorts, this stuff stinks from the top down. 

[tshile]

29 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

For like one day there was a real glimmer of hope that Dan Snyder might sell this team. It was a good feeling while it lasted.

It’s still possible

 

Not likely but possible

 

[Dissident2]

3 minutes ago, kleese said:

So know the punishments should fit. From what I read I don’t believe any of the former employees broke the law. Please correct me if I wrong as I’m far from an expert on that, but I don’t think any criminal action can be taken. And none of those mentioned work for the organization anymore either. So there just isn’t much else left to do other than profusely apologize and take a deep dive into making sure it doesn’t happen again. 

 

Yes. When you consider all the rumors that were floating around, about "bribing refs," Snyder being "linked to Epstein," Gruden's thing with Capri Bibbs, "drug and alcohol abuse" from Snyder ... the "that's it?" response, while wrong at its core, is at least understandable as an initial gut reaction, especially considering how so many of our hopes were tied to the idea that this could FINALLY be the end of Snyder. It isn't. At least not right now. And that's a disappointment for me. 

 

I'm glad all this came out, though. The people involved needed to be shown for who they are. It's just ultimately disappointing that the person I've always considered to be the real culprit is still relatively safe. It's like arresting the Joker's minions and not getting the Joker. As long as the Joker is still at large, he'll always find more minions. 

 

 

[tshile]

Also on the good news front the stadium is bumpin again complete with (soon to be) locked threads. 
 

the gif with the bunny with the pancake on its head gets me every time 

[RandyHolt]

He is going to weasel out of any responsibility

 

They fired the fall guys, paid off the victims so its just another day of turmoil for our nameless team, as Dan probably celebrates. Yes awkwardly dancing by himself aboard his tax write off.  Social distancing comes naturally to some.

 

 

 

Edited July 17, 2020 by RandyHolt

[86 Snyder]

29 minutes ago, profusion said:

 

If you're going to try to force a man to sell his business without tying you up in court for years, you're going to need a helluva lot more than that.

 

These agreements are typically standard anytime an employee resigns with a payout--layoffs, injury settlements, discrimination claims, etc. etc. Unless you can show convincing proof that these cases were handled differently at Snyder's behest, you ain't got ****.

 

I dont think you understand the power a room full of 31 billionaires yield.  They already hated him, now there's blood in the water.  This is the opportunity they've been waiting for.  It will take awhile but he's on his way out.

25 minutes ago, kleese said:

There are levels to bad behavior. Punching someone in the face without provocation is bad. Hitting them in the head with a hammer is worse. Killing them is worse than that. And each level of offense should draw a punishment fitting of said offense. 
 

No different here. Being a creeper is bad. It should get you fired and vilified. But it’s not the same as actually assaulting someone. This is what we were led to believe might be the story. And it wasn’t. So know the punishments should fit. From what I read I don’t believe any of the former employees broke the law. Please correct me if I wrong as I’m far from an expert on that, but I don’t think any criminal action can be taken. And none of those mentioned work for the organization anymore either. So there just isn’t much else left to do other than profusely apologize and take a deep dive into making sure it doesn’t happen again. 

 

I used to read your "don't let the Redskins ruin the Redskins" posts with a touch of admiration, but your last few posts have crossed the bridge to Desperationville.  Lumping you into THAT bin of homers now.

[spjunkies]

Monday

Fans: "I'm going to march to the park and demand that Dan Snyder hear my voice for betraying my trust and changing the team name!!"

 

Thursday

Fans: "Well, this isn't great but I don't see why Dan should be tossed for only allowing 15 harassment cases under his watch. Oh, that cheerleader thing was 3 years ago, that doesn't matter anymore"

 

I feel like I'm in bizarro land.

[kleese]

5 minutes ago, 86 Snyder said:

 

I dont think you understand the power a room full of 31 billionaires yield.  They already hated him, now there's blood in the water.  This is the opportunity they've been waiting for.  It will take awhile but he's on his way out.

 

I used to read your "don't let the Redskins ruin the Redskins" posts with a touch of admiration, but your last few posts have crossed the bridge to Desperationville.  Lumping you into THAT bin of homers now.

Ask yourself this. How many of these owners do you think would like to set THIS as the standard for franchise removal? Again, Mark

Cuban and the Mavs dealt with almost the exact same situation, but actually on a more intense level and removing him as owner was never even discussed. I am not sure how pointing that out makes me more of a homer. 

[Jumbo]

fyi..you may notice a member---timdaley-something...had started a 'look at me though' thread about this same stuff and the op featured typical over-the-top political spasms  

 

just so ya know how that sort of  gyration works out for the drama queen yet to implode, your thread gets moved into an "embarrassment zone" for posterity to be brought back and made fun of at select times and you get perma-banned (for which you should be grateful if you happen to combust too)

[Burgundy Yoda]

2 minutes ago, spjunkies said:

Monday

Fans: "I'm going to march to the park and demand that Dan Snyder hear my voice for betraying my trust and changing the team name!!"

 

Thursday

Fans: "Well, this isn't great but I don't see why Dan should be tossed for only allowing 15 harassment cases under his watch. Oh, that cheerleader thing was 3 years ago, that doesn't matter anymore"

 

I feel like I'm in bizarro land.

This is the feeling I'm getting around here. I think people are acting like that because we are so powerless when it comes to removing that stain at the top of the organization.

[CTskin]

What a joke... this really was like getting coal on Christmas. All of those nfl analysts who piled on just to sound like they were in the loop and said they knew about this groundbreaking, franchise uprooting info must feel pretty dumb right now. No substance, no forced sell, nothing to see here.

[86 Snyder]

1 minute ago, kleese said:

Ask yourself this. How many of these owners do you think would like to set THIS as the standard for franchise removal? Again, Mark

Cuban and the Mavs dealt with almost the exact same situation, but actually on a more intense level and removing him as owner was never even discussed. I am not sure how pointing that out makes me more of a homer. 

 

Mark Cuban is liked and respected in multiple avenues of life by very rich and important people.  Danielle Snyder is loathed, by all reports.  

 

Vinny Gambini: Does the defenses case hold water?

 

Mona Lisa Vito: NO!  The defense is wrong!

[visionary]

 

[Burgundy Yoda]

Just now, CTskin said:

What a joke... this really was like getting coal on Christmas. All of those nfl analysts who piled on just to sound like they were in the loop and said they knew about this groundbreaking, franchise uprooting info must feel pretty dumb right now. No substance, no forced sell, nothing to see here.

Even though it's not everything you heard or was hyped up to be, "nothing to see here"? 

[CTskin]

6 minutes ago, spjunkies said:

Monday

Fans: "I'm going to march to the park and demand that Dan Snyder hear my voice for betraying my trust and changing the team name!!"

 

Thursday

Fans: "Well, this isn't great but I don't see why Dan should be tossed for only allowing 15 harassment cases under his watch. Oh, that cheerleader thing was 3 years ago, that doesn't matter anymore"

 

I feel like I'm in bizarro land.

Sooo you really don’t know that the cheerleader piece was complete fabrication, written by a very biased journalist, discredited by essentially the whole cheerleading team (other than the one bitter cheerleader who didn’t make the team). DD is your friend

[kleese]

2 minutes ago, 86 Snyder said:

 

Mark Cuban is liked and respected in multiple avenues of life by very rich and important people.  Danielle Snyder is loathed, by all reports.  

 

Vinny Gambini: Does the defenses case hold water?

 

Mona Lisa Vito: NO!  The defense is wrong!

Whether or not people like you or don’t like you shouldn’t determine whether or not you are held accountable for essentially the same

offense. 
 

I am sure his fellow owners aren’t big Snyder fans. Even if some of them have nothing against him in a personal manner (Jerruah apparently gets along with him) I am sure they view him as someone who doesn’t bring anything positive to the table for the league. So yes, I bet there are some that wouldn’t mind finding a reason to oust him. BUT... if they read this story I imagine many will

be VERY reluctant to set this type of allegation as the precedent for being removed. 

[spjunkies]

1 minute ago, CTskin said:

Sooo you really don’t know that the cheerleader piece was complete fabrication, written by a very biased journalist, discredited by essentially the whole cheerleading team (other than the one bitter cheerleader who didn’t make the team). DD is your friend

 

I'm sure

[Burgundy Yoda]

I need to hold onto optimism. My hope right now is that either more is going to leak out, or that Snyder made a secret handshake deal to soften this article up with the NFL/WaPo if he agreed to sell the team. I think this whole thing is so much deeper and we just got chicken feed for a story in comparison to what it probably really was. 

Edited July 17, 2020 by Burgundy Yoda

[CTskin]

7 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

Even though it's not everything you heard or was hyped up to be, "nothing to see here"? 

I’ll admit, I was expecting worse, much worse... so that certainly has something to do with that comment.

[Califan007 The Constipated]

Speaking of the NDAs (well, some of you were on the last page or so lol)...

 

I've signed more than my share of NDAs over the last 30 years. I think I signed most of them at the time I was hired, not at the time I parted ways with the companies--I've been an independent contractor almost all of my adult life, and have worked with a wide variety of companies trying to get products to market, so making sure I didn't say anything about what they were doing was paramount.

 

Anyway, I did notice that the article never said the women were made to sign their NDAs when they left--actually, very little is said about the circumstances behind them no longer being with the team. It's presented as if it was their choice. At any rate, it would be almost impossible to get someone to sign an NDA when they're quitting and especially if they're getting fired...that's why you sign them up front, not on the back end. I mean, if you refuse to sign it what are they gonna do? lol...at least in the beginning you can say their employment is contingent upon them singing the NDA.

 

The only way you can get someone to sign an NDA when they are either being fired or quitting is 1) they are quitting on good terms and have no problem signing it, or 2) you pay them a large sum of money on their way out but only if they sign the NDA. Since the article did not mention that happening I'm gonna assume for now that was not the case here. By comparison Richardson and the Panthers absolutely paid women to keep quiet, and it was passed on to investigators and the press that they did. I'd tend to think that would have been passed on here as well if payments were associated with the NDAs after the fact.

 

tl:dr - I'm doubting that the team made these women sign an NDA on the way out a way to keep the sexual harassment under wraps.

Edited July 17, 2020 by Califan007

[Conn]

Yeah, I think it's fair to assume most of the people working in the building probably have to sign an NDA to take the job in the first place. I do wonder if every team operates like this, NDA-wise

[88Comrade2000]

USA Today: Opinion: Daniel Snyder is no longer just a headache for the NFL, he's become a liability  

 

>>>

We’re about to see what, if anything, the NFL has learned in the last six years.

In the weeks that followed the release of those horrific videos of Ray Rice knocking his then-fiancee unconscious and the searing criticism of his laughably lax suspension, Commissioner Roger Goodell acknowledged that the league had fallen short. That its approach to domestic and sexual violence had demeaned and devalued women, putting their health and safety in danger.

Six years later, here we are again.

The painstakingly detailed, damning report Thursday by The Washington Post does not allege sexual or physical assault.  But the sexual harassment and verbal abuse that more than a dozen women said they were subjected to by Washington team executives, including some who were members of owner Daniel Snyder’s inner circle, is just as debasing and just as harmful.<<<

[wilco_holland]

Its bad and terrible. It should never happen, not even once but Redskins had a hole culture of sexual harassment. I feel bad for all the women who took this job and has to go through it. 

 

But...

 

D.C. media made a mistake. The hype overshadowed the real story. We all know it's bad but it's not at the level it was hyped for. We are not a drugs cartel with bungabunga parties with all the employees. Now it feels like "oooo just sexual harassment". And that is terrible.

Edited July 17, 2020 by wilco_holland

[hail2skins]

38 minutes ago, visionary said:

 

I was having a debate with a friend on this tonight. I guess all I saw the local guys do was report on Twitter about the WaPo having a story that wasn't going to reflect well on the team and now it seems folks like Finlay are being blamed for the rumormongering that others partook in. I don't get it