Llevron Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Wait so y’all are telling me that you really think they thought he was dyslexic and that he made it to 22 years of age before a football coach of all people diagnosed him? Nothing about that sounds odd to you? Nothing about that sounds like they are questioning his intelligence? You really thought that a football coach at Redskins park was qualified enough to decide a 22y/o went through his whooooooole life without anyone noticing he had a condition like that? Stop. No one should believe that. The leak wasn’t that they sent him to s specialist and it was confirmed. The leak was he is so bad that he might be dyslexic. That’s not how any of that works. Past that, I’m not at all saying that’s what is happening to him or others. I am saying that if you are annoyed at people saying that, which the poster I was responding to said he was, then it may help you to understand why people feel that way. Just because you are over it, doesn’t mean anyone else is. And the bull**** dyslexia thing doesn’t help with people who aren’t. I hope y’all understand where I’m coming from now. I’m really not here to discuss if feeling that way is warranted or not. Just trying to help the guy that brought it up understand why he hears it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 49 minutes ago, skinsmania123 said: Just being real here. Tell me other black QB whose "intelligence" was questioned? I mean we have to start somewhere. No time like present time. Obviously the present becomes part of history. When you look at the number of starting black QB's in just 2019 alone, it seems preposterous to me that you can levy an argument that the media or whoever you perceive, today are questioning the intelligence of black QB's. Enjoy this article, I sure as hell did: https://theundefeated.com/features/welcome-to-the-year-of-the-black-quarterback/ I think the situation regarding Haskins has nothing to do with questioning his intelligence. They were questioning other things. I thought he greatly improved, but I did question his maturity last year. Ron Rivera is a person of color. He is known to be fair and well respected and loved by all his players. If he is looking at other QB's then he may be questioning multiple things about Dwayne we are not privy to or aware of. Rivera is also well known for stirring up competition and getting guys to work for it. If DeWayne earns the nod from Rivera it is because he earned it. Bringing in a vet is something he should welcome. Guys that know they have it don't care about competition. I am not annoyed by your stance. But I am questioning its validity based upon facts today. In today's league. I agree about Gruden. Period. I mean the reigning MVP of the league had well respected analysts telling him he should play WR when he was drafted. That literally just happened 2 years ago. For some reason, nobody felt like Josh Allen should play TE coming out of college.. But I don’t want to derail the topic. This has been discussed to death and no one is changing their minds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said: I mean the reigning MVP of the league had well respected analysts telling him he should play WR when he was drafted. That literally just happened 2 years ago. For some reason, nobody felt like Josh Allen should play TE coming out of college.. The entire point is that people aren’t just making it up. It’s a thing. That and if hearing it on the radio pisses you off bringing it up here where I can and will happily argue with you about it isn’t a smart idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Bigger social media diva: Haskins or Young? I want some of the "shut up and play" folks at ES to weigh in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said: Bigger social media diva: Haskins or Young? I want some of the "shut up and play" folks at ES to weigh in here. I know ES is an older crowd but it’s 2020, guys. Anybody you pick uses social media. Tweeting is normal. And honestly they both tweet generalities more than anything so it’s not that big a deal. In fact, our current HC and DC both have twitter and tweet similarly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggarriso Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said: Bigger social media diva: Haskins or Young? I want some of the "shut up and play" folks at ES to weigh in here. I dont understand wth they are talking about here? What is the commentary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Just now, ggarriso said: I dont understand wth they are talking about here? What is the commentary? Just divas being divas. The question is, which guy is the bigger one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, ggarriso said: I dont understand wth they are talking about here? What is the commentary? Haskins - people in general think he’s washed already lol Young - I assume it’s about him not being worth the 2 cause he was ineffective in his last few games. Mel Kieper or someone said that the other day on ESPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, Llevron said: Mel Kieper or someone said that the other day on ESPN “What credentials does Mel Kiper have?” -Bill Polian, 1994 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmania123 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 47 minutes ago, BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said: I mean the reigning MVP of the league had well respected analysts telling him he should play WR when he was drafted. That literally just happened 2 years ago. For some reason, nobody felt like Josh Allen should play TE coming out of college.. But I don’t want to derail the topic. This has been discussed to death and no one is changing their minds So? Maybe someone thought he would be a better WR. I guess he showed them by following his desire as he became the QB of the Baltimore Ravens. Because football guys thought he would be a great QB, not some "analyst." I thought they were going to win it all. My point is and remains, if the racism in the NFL were as rampant as you claim, then how do you explain the unfettered rise of so many black QB's coming into the league being entrusted with what most people perceive to be the most important position on the team - the QB position - in a business that yields billions of dollars. That is quite an endorsement. Your damn right no one is going to "change their mind." It is called perception. But some facts simply do not support peoples perceptions. If a person has experiences in life that cause them to feel disenfranchised or marginalized it is very difficult to overcome a long held perception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, skinsmania123 said: My point is and remains, if the racism in the NFL were as rampant as you claim, Literally no one said it was rampant. Or even that common. 19 minutes ago, skinsmania123 said: But some facts simply do not support peoples perceptions. Some facts do. I don’t know what you want. People aren’t just going to pretend they don’t see or hear the things they are seeing and hearing just because you don’t like it. You should get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmania123 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Llevron said: Literally no one said it was rampant. Or even that common. Some facts do. I don’t know what you want. People aren’t just going to pretend they don’t see or hear the things they are seeing and hearing just because you don’t like it. You should get over it. Great I am glad we agree that it is not rampant. I have my own opinions just like you. I think there needs to be open dialogues which fortunately there have been, which leads to the not so rampant. I worked in social service agencies for over 15 year in NYC and I have seen and heard quite a bit. I am now in private practice as a hypnotherapist and see and hear all sorts of stuff, emerging from peoples subconscious. We are all programmed in a certain way. Experiences get imbedded in people and you need to understand that. It sways everything. It is all perception. I don't need to get over anything. I am just saying what i think and frankly as long as I don't name call or am disrespectful I will say whatever I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
actorguy1 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Haskins scored 25 on the Wonderlic. 5 points higher than Kyler Murray and one less than Drew Lock. He is not Dyslexic and he is not uneducated. That leaves one possibility, a super dense, super wordy playbook from Jay Gruden along with poor teaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 hour ago, HTTRDynasty said: Bigger social media diva: Haskins or Young? I want some of the "shut up and play" folks at ES to weigh in here. Riddick make me cringe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 PHILIP RIVERSQB, UNSIGNED FREE AGENT ProFootballNetwork's Tony Pauline reports the Redskins are expected to "make a bid" for free agent Philip Rivers. Rivers would likely need a "massive contract" to sign with the Redskins. It's not the first time Washington has been connected to a quarterback — they plan to bring in Joe Burrow and Tua Tagovailoa for pre-draft visits — but this suggests the Redskins aren't expecting a healthy return from Alex Smith. Rivers has ties to Ron Rivera from their Chargers days, but the Colts remain his top landing spot. RELATED: Washington Redskins SOURCE: ProFootballNetwork Feb 29, 2020, 11:23 AM ET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 hour ago, skinsmania123 said: Great I am glad we agree that it is not rampant. I have my own opinions just like you. I think there needs to be open dialogues which fortunately there have been, which leads to the not so rampant. I worked in social service agencies for over 15 year in NYC and I have seen and heard quite a bit. I am now in private practice as a hypnotherapist and see and hear all sorts of stuff, emerging from peoples subconscious. We are all programmed in a certain way. Experiences get imbedded in people and you need to understand that. It sways everything. It is all perception. I don't need to get over anything. You better be damn good from the get go if a black QB... This too is improving, but some analysts and fans were ready to throw in the towel on Lamar Jackson/scheme, due to his struggles against the Chargers in the playoffs (Yes, a vague and general response, but there was rumblings of it). Instead of viewing it from the perspective of him being a rookie QB who turned the Ravens season around (not that no one said this). I don’t think it was all race related, because many questioned the scheme, but the black QB is attached to the RPO QB run centric scheme. Not sure I’ve rooted as much for a team to win it this year, due to wanting the scheme/black QB to win it and continue bust open doors for future athletic black QBs. The Ravens fortunately have entrenched themselves with supporting Jackson and are all in on the scheme. This is not the norm for the black QB. Kirk Cousins backed up RG3 lol huh? Its the black QB and scheme fighting against conventional wisdom. I’ll be rooting for it to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 I I’ll think it’s all smoke. I bet there is no offer or a really ridiculous lowball offer to give the illusion of interest. The more this goes on plus Detroit showing their interest in Tua, they’re maximizing trade down value or even trying to squeeze that second round pick to flip with Detroit. The redskins are gonna be linked to every QB in FA And the draft. Mark my words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawRebel Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 4 hours ago, skinsmania123 said: Just being real here. Tell me other black QB whose "intelligence" was questioned? I mean we have to start somewhere. No time like present time. Obviously the present becomes part of history. When you look at the number of starting black QB's in just 2019 alone, it seems preposterous to me that you can levy an argument that the media or whoever you perceive, today are questioning the intelligence of black QB's. Enjoy this article, I sure as hell did: https://theundefeated.com/features/welcome-to-the-year-of-the-black-quarterback/ I think the situation regarding Haskins has nothing to do with questioning his intelligence. They were questioning other things. I thought he greatly improved, but I did question his maturity last year. Ron Rivera is a person of color. He is known to be fair and well respected and loved by all his players. If he is looking at other QB's then he may be questioning multiple things about Dwayne we are not privy to or aware of. Rivera is also well known for stirring up competition and getting guys to work for it. If DeWayne earns the nod from Rivera it is because he earned it. Bringing in a vet is something he should welcome. Guys that know they have it don't care about competition. I am not annoyed by your stance. But I am questioning its validity based upon facts today. In today's league. I agree about Gruden. Period. https://www.totalprosports.com/2019/03/09/nick-wright-ponders-why-black-qbs-get-their-intelligence-questioned-not-white-qbs-video/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSSkinz Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 I would hate us getting Rivers, I think he's one of the most overrated QB's to ever play, the guy has never won anything of substance and every time he's had an opportunity to lead a very good team he F's it up. Even Sheehan who is a Rivers homer said that if you dig into the failures of the Chargers, for the most part, they are directly linked to Rivers situational play. I really don't understand why anyone would want Rivers as their QB, this sounds terrible but he is a failure and nothing more than a stat machine but the stats are always empty and meaningless. Please do not do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 2 hours ago, skinsmania123 said: So? Maybe someone thought he would be a better WR. I guess he showed them by following his desire as he became the QB of the Baltimore Ravens. Because football guys thought he would be a great QB, not some "analyst." I thought they were going to win it all. My point is and remains, if the racism in the NFL were as rampant as you claim, then how do you explain the unfettered rise of so many black QB's coming into the league being entrusted with what most people perceive to be the most important position on the team - the QB position - in a business that yields billions of dollars. That is quite an endorsement. Your damn right no one is going to "change their mind." It is called perception. But some facts simply do not support peoples perceptions. If a person has experiences in life that cause them to feel disenfranchised or marginalized it is very difficult to overcome a long held perception. Black QBs may be getting more chances but they're still getting more disrespect with being told they shouldn't get the chance they'd be better off doing something else. This is not a zero sum situation and doesn't even have to be entirely consistent within a single organization Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmania123 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 22 minutes ago, RawRebel said: https://www.totalprosports.com/2019/03/09/nick-wright-ponders-why-black-qbs-get-their-intelligence-questioned-not-white-qbs-video/ An article from 2015? One thing is for certain. The entrance of black QB's in the NFL has continued unabated for years now and will continue. And these guys now started in high school with these dreams. I contend that for any QB to be successful in the league today, regardless of who that QB is, due to the fact that you have guy on the D side of the ball that are quicker, faster, and stronger, you better be able to run, pass, evade, improvise, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COWBOY-KILLA- Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Just a reminder guys, we have two teams looking for a GM in our Mock, Ravens and Titans...please let us know if anyone is interested in running them. Thank You! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, skinsmania123 said: An article from 2015? One thing is for certain. The entrance of black QB's in the NFL has continued unabated for years now and will continue. And these guys now started in high school with these dreams. I contend that for any QB to be successful in the league today, regardless of who that QB is, due to the fact that you have guy on the D side of the ball that are quicker, faster, and stronger, you better be able to run, pass, evade, improvise, etc. you do realize that there has not been a huge turnover in NFL draft rooms, or the professional draft analysts in just five years, don't you? In this instance we are talking about individuals behaviors towards other individuals, not a society wide things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmania123 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, carex said: you do realize that there has not been a huge turnover in NFL draft rooms, or the professional draft analysts in just five years, don't you? In this instance we are talking about individuals behaviors towards other individuals, not a society wide things Exactly! There has been little to no turnover in NFL draft rooms. And so my point is that they are drafting the best QB's to lead their teams. So look at all the teams and see who their starting QB's are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmania123 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 58 minutes ago, wit33 said: You better be damn good from the get go if a black QB... This too is improving, but some analysts and fans were ready to throw in the towel on Lamar Jackson/scheme, due to his struggles against the Chargers in the playoffs (Yes, a vague and general response, but there was rumblings of it). Instead of viewing it from the perspective of him being a rookie QB who turned the Ravens season around (not that no one said this). I don’t think it was all race related, because many questioned the scheme, but the black QB is attached to the RPO QB run centric scheme. Not sure I’ve rooted as much for a team to win it this year, due to wanting the scheme/black QB to win it and continue bust open doors for future athletic black QBs. The Ravens fortunately have entrenched themselves with supporting Jackson and are all in on the scheme. This is not the norm for the black QB. Kirk Cousins backed up RG3 lol huh? Its the black QB and scheme fighting against conventional wisdom. I’ll be rooting for it to succeed. Well the league now has quite a few damn good black QB's. And I see that continuing. A point can also be made that the RPO QB's don't HAVE to stay in the pocket and complete passes because they can scramble for yardage if there are no receivers open OR if pressure forces them to run, whereas an immobile QB like Cousin's, or any QB regardless of their race, if they are not mobile, are going to have to force a pass somewhere or throw the ball away. And I perceive them as a dying breed of QB to be honest. The league has changed. The fact is that nearly all "RPO" QB's are black. And it takes IMO tremendous skill - you have to make the reads, to run sometime AND throw the ball to be successful. And the fact for me, which I think about a lot when it comes to QB's, since you have quicker guys on D, that necessitates a multi-dimensional QB, and an ability to scramble and move is essential. And that trend is not going away. I actually think RG3 has improved as a drop back QB and he can also still move, albeit not as fast, and I see him getting another shot somewhere but the main problem for him is fragility. I can't see him as a starter. But he is decent backup QB. Lamar Jackson is a unique talent and I see him in the playoffs again next year. There is not a doubt in my mind. The Ravens will figure it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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