Next Coach?

[mistertim]

This whole "Alex Smith as GM" thing is incredibly confusing to me. The guy has never been a coach, never worked in any capacity in a FO, whether in college or the NFL....and now we want to make him an NFL GM? What exactly does he have on his resume to indicate he could do the job besides "knows some people and understands how to play football"? I think he'd be a great QB coach or offensive assistant to start out, but GM? Srsly?

[Burgold]

16 minutes ago, Skin'emAlive said:

No team can be successful without a qb. We will see what the do with Lock. But Denver has been far more successful than we have even without Elway.

Could we eliminate the money owed on Smith’s contract if he is hired to the FO?

I don't know. I've heard some rumors that if Alex officially retires then the some of the money goes away from the cap.

[goskins10]

5 minutes ago, Burgold said:

I don't know. I've heard some rumors that if Alex officially retires then the some of the money goes away from the cap.

 

If he retires he gives up the remaining guarantee money - unless he retires with some agreement. It of course that does not get rid of the signing bonus money. But it would be a CAP savings if he retired outright.  

[Califan007 The Constipated]

24 minutes ago, mistertim said:

This whole "Alex Smith as GM" thing is incredibly confusing to me. The guy has never been a coach, never worked in any capacity in a FO, whether in college or the NFL....and now we want to make him an NFL GM? What exactly does he have on his resume to indicate he could do the job besides "knows some people and understands how to play football"? I think he'd be a great QB coach or offensive assistant to start out, but GM? Srsly?

 

I thought the same about John Lynch...I think they both had the same amount of experience: zero lol. So who knows. He could end up like Lynch or end up like Elway. Also, maybe Snyder's thinking more long-range with Smith, having him in the FO--but not as GM--for a while and see if he's got what it takes to eventually transition to a higher position....could be thinking Smith shows a ton of football intelligence and knowledge, and at least this way we have him in-house...kind of the Ozzie Newsome pathway to GM, although it would be 10 years from now lol...

[goskins10]

2 minutes ago, Califan007 said:

 

I thought the same about John Lynch...I think they both had the same amount of experience: zero lol. So who knows. He could end up like Lynch or end up like Elway. Also, maybe Snyder's thinking more long-range with Smith, having him in the FO--but not as GM--for a while and see if he's got what it takes to eventually transition to a higher position....could be thinking Smith shows a ton of football intelligence and knowledge, and at least this way we have him in-house...kind of the Ozzie Newsome pathway to GM, although it would be 10 years from now lol...

 

I would be OK with Alex in the FO learning the ropes to possibly become a GM down the road. He seems very smart and has the perfect demeanor from what I have been able to see of him. I am just not a fan of giving it to him without him having any time in a FO at all. 

 

I know people are bringing up John Lynch (not just you), but how much is him and how much is Kyle? Also, the early results do look good so fair enough, but it's not even been 2 yrs yet. On a side note, Kyle is the one I would liked for the Redskins to keep, even over Sean. But danny has too big an ego for that. Which is why whatever change he makes is unlikely to make that much difference. But at least when he makes a change we have a chance he might dumb his way into getting it right. 

[Wildbunny]

On the other side, Raiders do have Mike Mayock, with no great results either.

[Skin'emAlive]

8 minutes ago, Wildbunny said:

On the other side, Raiders do have Mike Mayock, with no great results either.

They are in the first year of a rebuild. 

[OVCChairman]

1 hour ago, Skin'emAlive said:

No team can be successful without a qb. We will see what the do with Lock. But Denver has been far more successful than we have even without Elway.

Could we eliminate the money owed on Smith’s contract if he is hired to the FO?
 

-answered 

 

 

And Elway has swung and missed on QBs other than Peyton.  He's been the GM since 2011.  Their QB drafts consist of 

 

2012 - Brock Osweiler - 2nd round

2013 - Zack Dysert - 7th round

2015 - Trevor Siemian - 7th round

2016 - Paxton Lynch - 1st round

2017 - Chad Kelly - 7th round

2019 - Drew Lock - 2nd round

 

 

 

Year	Lg	Tm	W	L	T	Div. Finish	Playoffs	PF	PA	PD	Coaches	AV	Passer	Rusher	Receiver	Pts	Yds	Pts	Yds	T/G	Pts±	Yds±	out of	MoV	SoS	SRS	OSRS	DSRS
2019	NFL	Denver Broncos	5	9	0	3rd of 4		239	284	-45	Fangio		Flacco	Lindsay	Sutton	30	27	10	12	14	22	25	32	-3.2	0.9	-2.3	-4.7	2.4
2018	NFL	Denver Broncos	6	10	0	3rd of 4		329	349	-20	Joseph	Miller	Keenum	Lindsay	Sanders	24	19	13	22	8	18	23	32	-1.3	0.7	-0.5	-3.6	3.1
2017	NFL	Denver Broncos	5	11	0	4th of 4		289	382	-93	Joseph	Miller	Siemian	Anderson	Thomas	27	17	22	3	31	27	8	32	-5.8	-0.9	-6.7	-3.9	-2.9
2016	NFL	Denver Broncos	9	7	0	3rd of 4		333	297	36	Kubiak	Miller	Siemian	Booker	Thomas	22	27	4	4	13	9	14	32	2.3	1.8	4.0	-2.0	6.1
2015	NFL	Denver Broncos*	12	4	0	1st of 4	Won SB	355	296	59	Kubiak	Miller	Manning	Hillman	Thomas	19	16	4	1	19	10	3	32	3.7	2.1	5.8	0.3	5.5
2014	NFL	Denver Broncos*	12	4	0	1st of 4	Lost Div	482	354	128	Fox	Thomas	Manning	Anderson	Thomas	2	4	16	3	11	4	2	32	8.0	1.6	9.6	9.2	0.4
2013	NFL	Denver Broncos*	13	3	0	1st of 4	Lost SB	606	399	207	Fox	Vasquez	Manning	Moreno	Thomas	1	1	22	19	14	1	1	32	12.9	-1.6	11.4	14.1	-2.7
2012	NFL	Denver Broncos*	13	3	0	1st of 4	Lost Div	481	289	192	Fox	Miller	Manning	McGahee	Thomas	2	4	4	2	17	2	1	32	12.0	-1.9	10.1	6.3	3.8
2011	NFL	Denver Broncos*	8	8	0	1st of 4	Lost Div	309	390	-81	Fox	Miller	Tebow	McGahee	Decker	25	23	24	20	26	25	27	32	-5.1	-0.2	-5.3	-3.6	-1

 

 

This is their history since he took over.  Manning was the leading passer for 4 double digit win seasons... seasons without Manning... 33 - 45.  Manning made that team.  Without Manning, we're on the same level.  

[celticsalmon]

8 hours ago, Wildbunny said:

Martin Mayhew and Matt Millen were ex players as well.

 

Being an ex-player doesn't prove or entitle anyone to anything.

Well-respected and super smart are of the difference makers!

[Skin'emAlive]

Manning supplemented the team. The defense arguably carried manning. Three of the guys you listed were 7th rounders. Can’t expect anything out of that. Osweiler is an ok backup. Lynch was a bust. It happens. You keep trying until you have one though. Can’t make it in this league without it. 

[mistertim]

18 minutes ago, Skin'emAlive said:

Manning supplemented the team. The defense arguably carried manning. Three of the guys you listed were 7th rounders. Can’t expect anything out of that. Osweiler is an ok backup. Lynch was a bust. It happens. You keep trying until you have one though. Can’t make it in this league without it. 

 

In 2015 the defense carried Manning and that team. The other three years in Denver Manning had 37, 55, and 39 TDs with 11, 10, and 15 INTs respectively. You don't have a guy who throws that many TDs and that few interceptions and say the rest of the team carries him. 

[kingdaddy]

On 12/15/2019 at 5:28 PM, Warhead36 said:

Of course I want Allen gone. But I want to replace him with a legitimate GM and then have him hire the coach. You know, the traditional power structure that every successful team runs.

Has Meyer left town yet?

[HigSkin]

 

What it says in the article...

 

Recent reports have connected Urban Meyer to the Cowboys’ head coaching job, which is widely expected to become vacant at the end of the season. In addition, Meyer was at FedEx Field on Sunday to take in the Eagles-Redskins game, which gave rise to a report that Washington would also make a play for Meyer for its own HC post.

 

While Meyer would almost certainly prefer to coach the Cowboys instead of the Redskins, Meyer himself said, “I think I’m done coaching,” as Brit Hume of Fox News tweets. Per Hume, Meyer was in town for a White House Christmas party after attending Saturday’s Army-Navy game, and he knew his presence at the Redskins’ home venue would create additional speculation about his future plans.

Of course, Meyer could have simply been trying to deflect such speculation, and he did recently indicate that the Dallas gig appealed to him. Ian Rapoport of NFL.com says Meyer is certainly enjoying his retirement from coaching, but he tells us to “stay tuned” (Twitter link).

 

For what it’s worth, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said that he will wait until after the season to evaluate head coach Jason Garrett, as Clarence E. Hill Jr. of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram writes. But barring a Super Bowl win, it feels like Garrett will be seeking new employment in 2020.

Meyer is one of the most accomplished head coaches in college football history and boasts a 187-32 career record that includes a whopping 12-3 mark in Bowl Games. He also won three national championships, two with Florida and one with Ohio State

[kingdaddy]

5 hours ago, mistertim said:

This whole "Alex Smith as GM" thing is incredibly confusing to me. The guy has never been a coach, never worked in any capacity in a FO, whether in college or the NFL....and now we want to make him an NFL GM? What exactly does he have on his resume to indicate he could do the job besides "knows some people and understands how to play football"? I think he'd be a great QB coach or offensive assistant to start out, but GM? Srsly?

I think people are just reading into what they see...including me. It's not unprecedented. I also don't know how anyone can say it's a bad or good idea because there really isn't anything to go on other than the fact that he's supposedly a very bright guy and has played in the league. Smith played under Andy Reid, had a big hand in developing Mahomes and had a lot go on in his career. One other thing you could say is that the Skins have had and lost a lot of good young football minds over the past 6 plus years so maybe they do have some idea of how to judge young guys before they become bigger success stories. Ask the question, what made Bruce Allen so qualified to be an NFL GM? His dad? Look how long of rope he's had in the league....

[profusion]

Snyder could be trying to leverage Alex's connections to land a coach or GM. I suspect that more than I do a FO position for Smith himself.

 

On the other hand, who knows the mysterious ways of Ashburnistan?

[kingdaddy]

4 hours ago, Skin'emAlive said:

They are in the first year of a rebuild. 

Actually they're in year 2 of a rebuild and they are improved. The Antonio Brown saga set them back some and they need a better QB. That being said it's inexcusable to lose to Jax in the last ever home game in Oakland. I feel for Raiders fans....sad to see the Raiders leaving those diehard fans behind. Last year was year one of the Raiders rebuild when they traded Khalil Mack to the Bears for multiple picks...they were embarrassingly bad last year.

[mistertim]

24 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

I think people are just reading into what they see...including me. It's not unprecedented. I also don't know how anyone can say it's a bad or good idea because there really isn't anything to go on other than the fact that he's supposedly a very bright guy and has played in the league. Smith played under Andy Reid, had a big hand in developing Mahomes and had a lot go on in his career. One other thing you could say is that the Skins have had and lost a lot of good young football minds over the past 6 plus years so maybe they do have some idea of how to judge young guys before they become bigger success stories. Ask the question, what made Bruce Allen so qualified to be an NFL GM? His dad? Look how long of rope he's had in the league....

 

But why do it when there are other smart people who actually have experience in FO operations? There are plenty of guys who played football and are smart. If those are the only qualifications, why not just ask Peyton Manning to be our GM? Isn't Mark Brunell super smart? 

 

It just makes no sense outside of off the wall speculation. And as far as Bruce Allen, nobody ever said he was especially qualified to be GM outside of his name. Not sure how he factors into this.

[gooseneck]

Well if Smith is team president, I think it is only fair that Bruce Allen plays quarterback next year

[Andre The Giant]

I’m with Sally. 
 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/urban-meyer-to-the-redskins-is-a-combustible-idea-it-could-also-be-just-what-the-team-needs/2019/12/16/ac81d950-2023-11ea-86f3-3b5019d451db_story.htm

[goskins10]

I was assuming everyone saw that Terry Mclaurin said Urban Meyer was there as his special guest and had nothing to do with him potentially coaching here. Further, The illness he left Ohio State for gives him massive headaches with stress. 

 

I think this is much ago about nothing. Don't see Meyer coming here. What I could see is Dan seeking Meyers advice on the quality of the roster and potential coaches. He would be a very good resource. 

 

But who knows, for I know he could be named HC tomorrow. Dan certainly does his own thing that's for sure. 

[kingdaddy]

17 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

But why do it when there are other smart people who actually have experience in FO operations? There are plenty of guys who played football and are smart. If those are the only qualifications, why not just ask Peyton Manning to be our GM? Isn't Mark Brunell super smart? 

 

It just makes no sense outside of off the wall speculation. And as far as Bruce Allen, nobody ever said he was especially qualified to be GM outside of his name. Not sure how he factors into this.

I guess my point is that what actually qualifies a guy as GM. Matt Millen was asked by Detroit's owner to be the GM and he was totally unprepared for the job let alone unqualified. He winged it for sure and was brutal. I wonder what the main essentials are in being a GM? I guess it depends on the organization. You'd think the salary cap complications alone would take a few years to learn but I guess they have advisors for that? Player personnel knowlege? Scouting department....How does Bruce keep landing jobs with his track record? I'm with you, gimme someone who's more qualified than Alex Smith but maybe Dan really finds him to be a new voice with a fresh, creative perspective? Maybe Alex is politicking for the job? Who knows. All I know is he already looks like he's on the inside of management the way he's so visible around Dan/Bruce.

[El Mexican]

18 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

 I wonder what the main essentials are in being a GM?

 

Same skillset as with any MBA: learn to administer people's skills in favor of the organization.

 

That's it. In the NFL that probably includes salary cap knowledge and specific locker-room knowledge.

It differs from the Team President. He's basically the CEO of the organization and its "public face".

 

[profusion]

24 minutes ago, El Mexican said:

 

Same skillset as with any MBA: learn to administer people's skills in favor of the organization.

 

That's it. In the NFL that probably includes salary cap knowledge and specific locker-room knowledge.

It differs from the Team President. He's basically the CEO of the organization and its "public face".

 

 

It also differs quite a bit from team to team. Some GMs manage more of the direct decision-making, while others focus on hiring and overall "visioning" of the football organization. Some are basically gofers for a powerful head coach.

 

In a stable franchise like the Steelers, the GM can probably work his way up to it from the trenches. In a highly political organization like the Redskins, a real GM (not a figurehead) is going to be somebody who can scheme his way into things and essentially define his own role. Someone like Bruce. 

 

This offseason all depends on whether Dan wants to hire a strong coach as his primary goal. Those guys will demand a 'gofer' GM under their control.

[TK]

I'm gonna throw a name out there to keep an eye on.

 

Arthur Smith.

 

He's currently the Titans OC that's resurrected Tannenhill's career. He's also been an assistant coach for NC & Ole Miss. Smith graduated rom NC in 2006 & then was hired for his first job as a Defensive Quality Assistant. Who hired him? Joe Gibbs. Smith was here in 07 -08, went to Ol Miss in 2010 as a Defensive intern & administrative assistant. He joined the Titans in 2011 serving as a Defensive quality control coach, Offensive quality control coach, OL & TE assistant coach, Assistant TE coach, TE coach, & became their OC this year. Oh, here's the kicker. His dad is Fred Smith. The guy that started FedEx, has a minority share in the Redskins ownership, & has been in Dan's ear about Bruce needing to be told he can take the window or he can take the stairs.  

 

 

 

 

[Unbias]

Couple thoughts on the names mentioned:

 

Alex Smith for GM - the only qualification he has is that Snyder likes him. Let that sink in for a sec. 

 

Urban Meyer - the abuse allegations and suspension aren't good. He also has some legacy stuff from a former wife saying he was abusive. This is also his 3rd retirement. He cited health as the main concern, but this shows me he's had to jump ship 3 times now. That doesn't scream a long term solution.