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6 minutes ago, carex said:

 

Give him a shot as a one season stopgap, it's fine

 

I like it.  I'll watch camp for the first time tomorrow and judge it for myself but based on what the beat guys have been saying in minicamp, etc -- sounds like Flowers has been shaky.

 

Penn is up there in years but he's a good tackle.   He'd be insurance if things don't work out with Trent.   And if things do work out with Trent then at least we'd have a good backup and we need that IMO.

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6 hours ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

 

I think you said this because you think it would be a punishment but he'd probably be better off in BUF. They're putting together a pretty strong FO there and even though I prefer Haskins long-term, there's no denying that Josh Allen is exciting right now. 

 

There's also no denying Josh Allen cannot throw the ball. So that seems like a major problem.

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Penn would be a solid singing at this point.I feel he would provide a Vet that would allow Geron to continue to grow without being forced in and save us from Ereck the train wreck at LT.This does not look good for us as far as getting Trent in anytime soon.Also I wonder if they have received a solid offer on Trent today?

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47 minutes ago, Jericho said:

 

There's also no denying Josh Allen cannot throw the ball. So that seems like a major problem.

 

Long-term, yeah. But you're massively overstating his issues when you say that. He's better than Lamar Jackson, for instance. 

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36 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

 

Pretty good chance this happens, then. 

 

Good if Trent doesn't want to play find someone that does and is capable. 

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Stay home Trent....Sign Penn and trade him for what you can get.  He’s probably doing us a favor.  We can ditch a declining player without looking like the bad guy.

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Trent's a home grown bonafide beast and fans are ready to swap him out for Donald friggin Penn?! That's why we can't have nice things!

 

We have by far our best player (6x probowler/multiple all pro) who also happens to be our longest tenured player who's been here his entire career ready to jump ship. That can't be good for the culture.

 

We know our medical staff is a joke and has let down multiple players in the past.

 

Pay the man his money so we can atleast look like we're trying to provide our first round QB with the tools he needs to succeed.

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14 minutes ago, The Sean and Laron show said:

Trent's a home grown bonafide beast and fans are ready to swap him out for Donald friggin Penn?! That's why we can't have nice things!

 

We have by far our best player (6x probowler/multiple all pro) who also happens to be our longest tenured player who's been here his entire career ready to jump ship. That can't be good for the culture.

 

We know our medical staff is a joke and has let down multiple players in the past.

 

Pay the man his money so we can atleast look like we're trying to provide our first round QB with the tools he needs to succeed.

 

The fans can't force him to play. He's aging and can't stay healthy himself. I'd rather find someone to play tackle this year and draft a OT next year in the 1st Rd. 

 

You're right though let's throw a bunch of money at a guy that still has 2 years left on his contract. He's getting top 10 OT money already. Yet he can't stay healthy himself. 

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I think Penn move is an interesting one, i know he came here pre raiders but we needed a RT and he wanted LT money. 

 

One thing i have noticed is we appear to be really short of bodies and really do believe it was never their intention to have Flowers anywhere near tackle but he cannot cross train to G while he is the main guy at LT.... 

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I wonder how many of the fans would be willing to go back to a team that had a training staff who missed diagnosed a tumor in your head that could have been cancerous, without any guaranteed money left on your contract?  A lot of people are saying he's injury prone, our whole team is injury prone.  Maybe it's because of this training staff and training facilities.  Hell I would want to leave also, with a better staff and facility, He might stay healthy and be able to prolong his career and get another big pay day!!!

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A picture of Donald Penn is a better tackle than Ereck Flowerrs.

A picture of Donald Penn's mother holding a picture of Donald Penn is a better tackle than Ereck Flowers.

Sign him and don't look back, tell trent to enjoy his extended offseason. If he wants to try again next year, he's still under contract. if not, well he can try again in 2021 somewhere.

 

~Bang

5 minutes ago, dckey said:

I wonder how many of the fans would be willing to go back to a team that had a training staff who missed diagnosed a tumor in your head that could have been cancerous, without any guaranteed money left on your contract?  A lot of people are saying he's injury prone, our whole team is injury prone.  Maybe it's because of this training staff and training facilities.  Hell I would want to leave also, with a better staff and facility, He might stay healthy and be able to prolong his career and get another big pay day!!!

Why on earth would a grown man trust a sports training staff to diagnose anything serious at all? Of course they say it's just a bump. That is what they think it is. They are there to handle ligament and muscle strains, sprains, and fractures, not potential cancer.

these aren't GPs, not oncologists.. if you have a growth, go get an opinion from a person who is trained in such things. 

And then go get a second opinion. Be responsible about it.

 

May as well ask a house painter to prescribe you some glasses.

 

~Bang

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32 minutes ago, Bang said:

A picture of Donald Penn is a better tackle than Ereck Flowerrs.

A picture of Donald Penn's mother holding a picture of Donald Penn is a better tackle than Ereck Flowers.

Sign him and don't look back, tell trent to enjoy his extended offseason. If he wants to try again next year, he's still under contract. if not, well he can try again in 2021 somewhere.

 

~Bang

Why on earth would a grown man trust a sports training staff to diagnose anything serious at all? Of course they say it's just a bump. That is what they think it is. They are there to handle ligament and muscle strains, sprains, and fractures, not potential cancer.

these aren't GPs, not oncologists.. if you have a growth, go get an opinion from a person who is trained in such things. 

And then go get a second opinion. Be responsible about it.

 

May as well ask a house painter to prescribe you some glasses.

 

~Bang

Just for clarification I should have said medical staff and not training staff!!  I'm sure the team has specialist for everything.  And my point is that if the oncologist or whoever represents the team miss diagnosed you with something that serious, because they still want you on the field. I would have a big problem with the team also. So what you are saying is I should never believe the medical staff

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I'm not so hard on Flowers. The kid came into the league with some real talent, but signed with a team whose OL coach knew he would be fired after a year (Coughlin knew that he himself wasn't going to be there after the season, too). That didn't help with his development. Then they signed Solari, who they let go just as quickly as they gave up on Flowers. That should tell you something. Solari doesn't develop linemen. He relies on a strong HC to guide him. Callahan is a good OL coach, and I'm hoping he can give Flowers what he has never had at the pro level -- real tutelage by a bona fide OL coach. Whether that's at LG or LT, we'll see. But instead of repeating refrains that have been uttered elsewhere, give the kid a chance. He's been with the team 35 minutes and people are already giving up on him.

 

Signing Penn would be a damn good move. We don't need a world beater at LT. We just need a solid guy there to help keep the offense churning. Next year, draft a LT.

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What would be awesome is for Trent to come back and have Penn fill the Nsekhe swing tackle role, rather than Christian.  At least until Christian shows he's capable.  It's still a net loss if Penn replaces Trent.  

 

But if a 36 yr guy coming off an injury is the backup plan, they better have a backup plan to the backup plan in the back of their mind.

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I just read on another site that Trent Williams was traded to the Texans for Clowney.  Anyone else reading or hearing something crazy like that?  Again the only source I have is another site.  They are typically on target but I trust this board a lot more.  Anyone hearing this?

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23 minutes ago, skinsmania123 said:

I just read on another site that Trent Williams was traded to the Texans for Clowney.  Anyone else reading or hearing something crazy like that?  Again the only source I have is another site.  They are typically on target but I trust this board a lot more.  Anyone hearing this?

Nope. 

 

Do you have a link?

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32 minutes ago, justice98 said:

What would be awesome is for Trent to come back and have Penn fill the Nsekhe swing tackle role, rather than Christian.  At least until Christian shows he's capable.  It's still a net loss if Penn replaces Trent.  

 

But if a 36 yr guy coming off an injury is the backup plan, they better have a backup plan to the backup plan in the back of their mind.

 

Agreed. Still, depth is needed regardless. I think this won't be the only tackle they add. I could see another team cutting a Vet with a higher price tag than a younger guy they feel is ready to step up.

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26 minutes ago, skinsmania123 said:

I just read on another site that Trent Williams was traded to the Texans for Clowney.  Anyone else reading or hearing something crazy like that?  Again the only source I have is another site.  They are typically on target but I trust this board a lot more.  Anyone hearing this?

 

Nothing on NFL Network about it.

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47 minutes ago, skinsmania123 said:

I just read on another site that Trent Williams was traded to the Texans for Clowney.  Anyone else reading or hearing something crazy like that?  Again the only source I have is another site.  They are typically on target but I trust this board a lot more.  Anyone hearing this?

 

I saw this on FB, I think it's not true.  If it were true, a blockbuster deal like that you wouldnt hear from a random website.  The Schefters of the world would be all over that.  

 

The logic of it for us doesnt make sense, with Kerrigan and spending a 1st on Sweat. 

 

And until they actually decide Penn is being signed, Trent stays.

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4 hours ago, dckey said:

I wonder how many of the fans would be willing to go back to a team that had a training staff who missed diagnosed a tumor in your head that could have been cancerous, without any guaranteed money left on your contract?  A lot of people are saying he's injury prone, our whole team is injury prone.  Maybe it's because of this training staff and training facilities.  Hell I would want to leave also, with a better staff and facility, He might stay healthy and be able to prolong his career and get another big pay day!!!

 

Post of the day vote logged.

 

It's just too easy to assume it's all about money and a big glorious final payday. Imagine the resentment he felt when he finally had a doctor tell him that boo boo on his head was a ****ing tumor, and a biopsy has to be done. He probably wanted to strangle someone at the park.  He probably still does. I think we heard he had the tumor for most of the season.  It wasn't just a misdiagnosis for a day or 2. That is critical to know, to gain insight to his perspective on the matter.

 

I think only a trade or gobs of money will resolve this.  The money part is basically Bruce's only chance at righting the wrong.  So even if he gets a raise year tacked on or whatever, it is not proof of what the core issue was, simply the financial restitution lets call it.  Trent can use the extra funds to get a monster insurance policy to give him peace of mind in the park training room.

 

If he can fetch a hefty return, perhaps a trade for us is best, but doesn't bode well for Jay and Keenum in particular, who are eyeballing their next gigs/contracts.  If Trent doesn't want to be here, maybe it's best he isn't.

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22 minutes ago, RandyHolt said:

 

Post of the day vote logged.

 

It's just too easy to assume it's all about money and a big glorious final payday. Imagine the resentment he felt when he finally had a doctor tell him that boo boo on his head was a ****ing tumor, and a biopsy has to be done. He probably wanted to strangle someone at the park.  I think we heard he had the tumor for most of the season.  It wasn't just a misdiagnosis for a day or 2. That is critical to know, to gain insight to his perspective on the matter.

 

I think only a trade or gobs of money will resolve this.  The money part is basically Bruce's only chance at righting the wrong.  So even if he gets a raise year tacked on or whatever, it is not proof of what the core issue was, simply the financial restitution lets call it.  Trent can use the extra funds to get a monster insurance policy to give him peace of mind at the park training room.

 

If he can fetch a hefty return, perhaps a trade for us is best, but doesn't bode well for Jay and Keenum in particular, who are eyeballing their next gigs/contracts.  If Trent doesn't want to be here, maybe it's best he isn't.

I agree with this especially when you consider how many people sue medical doctors and surgeons for misdiagnosis.  And rightfully so and they do get settlements.  It is not all about the money but it would go a long way in my opinion in righting  a wrong, since it is the barometer used in society when there is a misdiagnosis.  The facilities and the field have bothered me for years. It is a field made of rock and dirt, and there had to be so many complaints until it was redone a bit.  Sub par facilities, perhaps a bit upgraded once again due to complaints but should it get to this state ever?  And probably not the best training staff nor medical personnel given the injuries and this latest issue with Trent.    There is so much about this team that is upsetting.  The injuries alone are mind boggling.  BUT it does seem we do have propensity to draft guys with injury histories, however slight, I guess looking for the bargain.  But we pay for it every time.  The risk is outweighing the rewards.

 

 

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1 hour ago, SkinsGuy said:

 

Nothing on NFL Network about it.

Nor pro football talk 

I know, we should trade trent to the chargers for Melvin Gordon 

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