Jericho

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  1. Jericho

    Redskins receiving corp is beginning to shape up

    You're making a straw man argument though. The point wasn't whether Doctson lived up to his draft position. The point is whether he's worth a roster spot. That fact he's outdone other reasonably high picks like Taylor Jacobs or Devin Thomas or Malcolm Kelly shows he's at least a viable player. I think people as a whole vastly overestimate young WRs. Ryan Grant did less than Josh Doctson, stayed on the roster for 4 years, and got a four-year, $29 million contract with $14.5 million guaranteed (which was voided under dubious ground, but still) when leaving. Paul Richardson did less than Doctson through three years and still does less than Docston on a per year basis and he got a five-year, $40 million contract with $20 million in guaranteed money. Teams are desperate for even mediocre production at WR. It's not sexy or what you want from a #1 guy, but the idea "anyone" can do it is just wrong. Because almost every draft pick the last 17 years couldn't do it. And the odds a bunch of 6th and 7th rounders will be just as good seems reckless.
  2. Jericho

    Redskins receiving corp is beginning to shape up

    I think the problem is that a lot of people look at Docston and say he's neither a # 1 receiver or worth a first round pick. And unless he takes a huge leap forward in Year 4, all of those people are right. But some of these people act like the only options for Doctson are to be the # 1 WR or be cut. And there's a huge middle ground in between. This team usually keeps 6 receivers, and he can easily be one of those six. And while many don't want Doctson to be the #1, unless someone else actually is better than him, then he's your de facto #1. I'd love for someone else to step up and outplay Doctson. It just hasn't happened yet. And until it does, Doctson might be an unsexy option at WR. But he's still the best you got. A great comparison for Doctson might be Phillip Dorsett. Also a first round pick, Dorsett underwhelmed with the Colts. His numbers his first two years in Indy aren't that different from Doctson, and that's playing with Andrew Luck. And he got traded to New England. For Jacoby Brissett. Who himself was a former third round pick coming off a decent rookie year. So not exactly a bag of balls type trade. And Dorsett still hasn't done that much with New England, but he's consistently been on their roster being a depth guy. That's probably what Doctson is. Another Dorsett. But those players have uses. Which I think we both agree on. I don't fully endorse the "try anyone" mentality that some here have. Eventually, if the season is lost, maybe you got that route. But if you play inferior WRs, it hurts everyone's development, including the QBs. Potential isn't actual production. And outside of Richardson, no one on this team has produced anything in the NFL. It would be one thing if this team had other options. But it doesn't. And Richardson has been injured most of his career. So I'd really rather not see Haskins throwing to no one. Again, maybe someone steps up and proves themselves. Maybe two people do it. Maybe three. But right now, the number is still zero. and it seems everyone is just hoping and praying a 6th round rookie or a 7th round second year guy takes huge leaps forward. There needs to be another option than to just hope and pray.
  3. Jericho

    Redskins receiving corp is beginning to shape up

    Did you ever think Doctson got reps with the #1 because he earned it? Or are we to believe the team just ran him with the #1s (mostly, he hasn't started every game the last two years) because of draft position? Because the team doesn't really seem to be doing that anywhere else on the roster. It does seem to be a merit based system. Admittedly the competition at WR has been weak. But Doctson has been better than the alternatives (e.g. Ryan Grant, Terrelle Pryor, Brian Quick, Maurice Harris, Michael Floyd) I also find it weird that you want to cut Docston for his "awful" 367 yards per season, but are fine giving Richardson "more time" with his 310 yards per season. Robert Davis would need 1100 yards this season alone to get up to 367 yards per season after the year. It's like you write off Doctson based on some metric, then ignore that pretty much every other player on this roster is actually worse by that same metric.
  4. Jericho

    Redskins receiving corp is beginning to shape up

    But really, why is he behind any of those players? What has Quinn done to be ranked over Doctson. Get hurt? What has Sims done? Get hurt? Was has Paul Richardson done? Okay, he was pretty decent in 2017. Every other year of his career all he did was get hurt. Doctson's numbers are better than Richardson's on a per year basis, but Richardson is a lock and Docston is not? Harmon is probably the most overvalued player on this board. Most people treat him like a 3rd/4th round pick. But 24/31 other teams passed on him in the 6th round alone. the other 7 passed on him in the 5th. If Harmon was really viewed around the league that highly, why did every team pass on him round after round. Particularly at a spot in the draft where you'd be happy just to find a bona fide player? Look, I hope all the young players develop. But people act like they're all imminently going to become Pro Bowlers, when most would be lucky to even put up one season as good as Doctson's last two. Devin Thomas was a bust. Josh Doctson is merely disappointing, but still useful.
  5. Jericho

    Redskins receiving corp is beginning to shape up

    He doesn't have to wow me. He just needs to be better than the alternatives. I feel too much of the hate is because people wanted Doctson to put up bigger numbers as a first round pick. That's fine. He hasn't lived up to that. But he's been better than Ryan Grant or Leonard Hankerson or Aldrick Robinson. And all of those guys found work post-Redskins. I just don't get how people feel Doctson is done developing three years into his career, but Robert Davis has huge upside two years in to his of doing nothing. It's cognitive dissonance. Doctson would easily find work if he cut him.
  6. Jericho

    Redskins receiving corp is beginning to shape up

    Is it weird that people want to cut Josh Doctson (cause he "sucks") for players like Robert Davis based on potential when the two were drafted one year apart and Doctson has over 1100 yards receiving to date while Davis has zero NFL catches? Davis would need 81 catches, 1100 yards, and 8 TDs this year to equal Doctson's production in their first three years combined. P.S. This isn't meant to be an "attack" on Robert Davis. Davis seems decent enough. I'm mostly pointing out the absurdity of the situation. The team can surely keep both players if they wanted without much issue. It doesn't have to be either/or
  7. Jericho

    Redskins receiving corp is beginning to shape up

    Not sure I really get the point. First off, Doctson does have 1100 yards in his career. So he has exceeded 1000 yards total as a Redskin. If you're criticizing Docston for not having a single 1000 yard season, you have to criticize the entire roster. Because no one has done that. Second, we're not measuring whether Doctson is "worth" a first round pick. That's not the question. We're measuring whether he's "worth" more and/or better than the other options. Third, here are other Redskins draft picks and their first three years: Trey Quinn - 1 year, 75 yards, many injuries (2 years remaining) Robert Davis - 2 years, 0 yards (1 year remaining) Evan Spencer - never made the team Jamison Crowder - 2032 yards Ryan Grant - 412 yards Aldrick Robinson - 608 yards Niles Paul (technically a WR, converted to TE) - 228 yards Leonard Hankerson - 981 yards Terrence Austin - 184 yards Marko Mitchell - 32 yards Malcolm Kelly - 365 yards Devin Thomas - 445 yards Taylor Jacobs - 315 yards Cliff Russell - 45 yards With the exception of Crowder, you have to go back to Rod Gardner in 2001 to find a Redskins receiver who's done more than Doctson in his three years. And Doctson was basically hurt one of his first three. I get he hasn't lived up to expectations, but he's also done better than Ryan Grant or Leonard Hankerson or any other non-Crowder WR pick in the last 17 years. Are we really going to run that guy out of town for nothing when he's still: (1) relatively cheap; and (2) potentially improving (most WRs take a few years to develop). I still don't get the hate Doctson gets. Half of it seems made up (e.g. he's not a hard worker, he doesn't want to be here, etc...). The other half seems to believe the grass is always greener on the other side. When usually it is not. White also has half the yards in his career that Docton had last year alone. So White's on a different level of bust. For that matter, another first round bust, Laquon Treadwell, has had less yards in his career than Doctson had last year. So really many of these guys aren't the same as Doctson.
  8. Jericho

    Redskins receiving corp is beginning to shape up

    Not sure who would get cut for Jehu Chesson. There seems to be way too many receivers without factoring him in Parham seems like a PS at best, but surely an interesting flyer if you saw anything in him. I doubt it amounts to anything, but then again so do most PS players
  9. Jericho

    0-5 Start, Tell Me It Can't Happen, Please....

    It's tough sledding and 0-5 is certainly possible. But division games are basically a crap shoot and Chicago may not nearly as good as last year (which was very defense driven)
  10. Jericho

    Running back depth chart

    He doesn't have to spend all year there, but he might. I'd be a little surprised if the team didn't keep 4 RBs. Possible, but given the fact Thompson is definitely injury prone, Guice has missed 100% of his NFL games due to injury and still not fully cleared, and Peterson is really old for a RB (and including last year only played a reasonably full slate of games 2 out of the last 5 years), it would be nice for some depth. Of course crappy depth, isn't real depth. But I'm not sure there's much competition for Perine. A few flashy pre-season runs mean squat. Go ask Lache Seastrunk how that worked out. Not sure any of the other backs are trusted enough in other aspects of the game to make the 53.
  11. Jericho

    Should The Skins Cut McCoy?

    He's on the last year of his deal, plus as a veteran he's gets all his money guaranteed once the season starts. There would be no incentive to cut him during the season unless one really, really, really needed a roster spot. The other problem, which addresses the original post, is you can't cut a guy that's injured. So it seems to be a generally moot point. Unless McCoy gets radically healthy in the next couple weeks, he's either on the roster or on IR.
  12. Jericho

    Redskins receiving corp is beginning to shape up

    An entire team of rookie WRs? It can't fail! Okay, Trey Quinn did get 10 targets over 3 games his rookie year. So not technically a rookie. He'd be the "veteran" of the bunch since no else has registered an NFL target. Maybe he's a double secret weapon?
  13. Jericho

    Redskins receiving corp is beginning to shape up

    I was surprised to see Quick get reps and targets with the first teamers. Not entirely sure why. I'd love to see some of the younger players get those snaps. We know what Quick is at this point and there's basically zero chance he makes the final 53 (though will probably be brought back at some point during the year). Granted, no WR got many looks last night. But it seems weird that guys like Harmon get banished to the later stages of the game. Or even get Robert Davis some snaps with Keenum.
  14. People say that every year and 95% of the time they are wrong. No one really knows for sure, but admittedly it only takes one to claim. I hope Harmon does develop and doesn't make this an issue. I have no idea if the team is even considering waiving him. But I would like to see him get into games before Josh Woodrum or should I say the the new Josh Woodrum, Jalan McClendon, takes the field. Cause that's a tough ask of any WR to succeed with the bottom rung QB. Maybe Harmon will play well and just make the whole thing moot.
  15. I think you missed my point. Yes, it's possible for low rated WRs to succeed. I agree with the statement. But people act like Harmon would be grabbed by another team if cut. I'm saying his perceived value, particularly around here, and his actual value (evidenced by the fact he didn't get draft til the very end of the 6th round) are significantly different. And unlike the pre-season hype stories in Miami and New England that you mentioned (many of which never pan out into actual production), Harmon is not getting those same stories. If you removed the name and said the team cut a late 6th round WR, it wouldn't seem that unusual. In fact, the team did this very same thing two years ago. Robert Davis (drafted 209th overall) was cut his rookie year. He was not claimed and went to the practice squad. Harmon was drafted 206th overall. It wouldn't be unusual to cut such a player. I'm not advocating that the Redskins cut him. Nor can I guarantee that no team claims him. But Harmon is hardly untouchable, and many players selected that late get cut. It happens. Doesn't mean the player isn't good or can't develop. But you mentioned Adam Thielen, and he was cut his rookie year. Danny Amendola was cut a few times. They still developed. If Harmon isn't better than the players in front of him (which, again, I'm not saying as fact but merely speculating given his current situation), then its quite possible he doesn't make the 53. And it wouldn't be that weird.