!!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

[Xameil]

I got a idea...

 

Can we trade him and get a walrus to cover the LT.

 

I mean I saw on TV a walrus can play hockey goalie really well. I bet it does a good job holding down the left side of the line as well..

[Unbias]

Is part of the message board trying to get excited about a 36 year old Donald Penn whom after being a very consistent player has missed 2 then 12 games in the past two seasons? 

 

 

F-it. Let's just tell Haskins he's got to do both QB and RB drills in training camp. 

[JoggingGod]

You want to start Flowers week 1? Penn is a solid option if Trent isn’t on the roster. He would be at least an average LT which is better than complete trash.

[desertbeagle85]

41 minutes ago, bakedtater1 said:

Nor pro football talk 

I know, we should trade trent to the chargers for Melvin Gordon 

 

This is a joke right?

[desertbeagle85]

10 minutes ago, Unbias said:

Is part of the message board trying to get excited about a 36 year old Donald Penn whom after being a very consistent player has missed 2 then 12 games in the past two seasons? 

 

 

Trent Williams hasn't played a full season for the last 5 years. Matter of fact he's only played 2 full seasons out of his 9.  Penn had what one bad injury that cost him the last year and a half. Trent isn't showing up. So really this is the best option for the Skins right now. 

 

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/trentwilliams/497073/careerstats

 

[Unbias]

Just now, JoggingGod said:

You want to start Flowers week 1? Penn is a solid option if Trent isn’t on the roster. He would be at least an average LT which is better than complete trash.

 

On June 7th Bruce Allen met the media and when asked about the Williams holdout he said, "I know what the truth is".

 

Since then we signed Ereck Flowers on June 19th and now as training camp starts we are searching through the discount bin for a starting LT? 

 

Flowers is bad. A 36 year old player who's been hurt the past two years is also bad. These are all last minute reactive moves that gloss over the larger problems. We had info and time to be better prepared. We are not. Let's stop cheering over marginal, short sighted improvements and wonder why we are consistently put in these positions. 

[Unbias]

5 minutes ago, desertbeagle85 said:

 

Trent Williams hasn't played a full season for the last 5 years. Matter of fact he's only played 2 full seasons out of his 9.  Penn had what one bad injury that cost him the last year and a half. Trent isn't showing up. So really this is the best option for the Skins right now. 

 

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/trentwilliams/497073/careerstats

 

 

There's no denying that Trent has missed time the past 5 seasons and at 31 years old will probably miss more time, not less. 

 

I'm not against Penn being a seasoned backup to Trent where they effectively 'share' a season of playing LT. That would be a smart move. What would also be a smart move is over the past 3 drafts stock up on young OTs in the later rounds to build depth in that key position. Outside of Geron Christian in the 3rd round of last year we haven't done that. 

 

Leaning on a 36 year old for the LT position with no real depth is not a good plan. We jump to blaming Trent, but he didn't put us in this position. He's just looking to take the leverage presented and benefit from it. 

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

It would seem some people need reminded that none of us have the faintest idea what Trent's beef with the medical staff is.  I keep seeing these leaps to where it's his fault, that he's an idiot who trusted the team docs to diagnose the bump on his head.  We have absolutely no clue what transpired between Trent and the team docs to cause this beef.  Frankly, I find it really strange that this guy is damn near all we've had in terms of being an elite player at his position, for a long time - who has stayed here through all sorts of BS - is now just an A-hole, that is "always injured" trying to "hold the team hostage", that should be shipped out of town for whatever it is we can get for him.

 

I might get it, even just a little bit, if the Redskins organization had a positive track record in damn near anything. 

[Unbias]

2 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

It would seem some people need reminded that none of us have the faintest idea what Trent's beef with the medical staff is.  I keep seeing these leaps to where it's his fault, that he's an idiot who trusted the team docs to diagnose the bump on his head.  We have absolutely no clue what transpired between Trent and the team docs to cause this beef.  Frankly, I find it really strange that this guy is damn near all we've had in terms of being an elite player at his position, for a long time - who has stayed here through all sorts of BS - is now just an A-hole, that is "always injured" trying to "hold the team hostage", that should be shipped out of town for whatever it is we can get for him.

 

I might get it, even just a little bit, if the Redskins organization had a positive track record in damn near anything. 

 

I've always been confused how fans immediately go to defending the team and turn their back on the players. The players are the ones we connect with and often leave the league physically and financially broken. 

 

It's as if some of the fan base takes any negative criticism of the team personally. Each team is a big company with many moving parts, so they are bound to make mistakes. Look at the Pats with spygate, deflate gate, Aaron Hernandez, etc... As much as they are a 'model franchise' they are far from perfect. 

 

For me, Trent has been an amazing Redskins. I've been proud to rock his jersey in the past and will long after he's retired. For me guys like Trent build culture, which is more important in a locker room than managing the cap. 

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

2 minutes ago, Unbias said:

 

I've always been confused how fans immediately go to defending the team and turn their back on the players. The players are the ones we connect with and often leave the league physically and financially broken. 

 

It's as if some of the fan base takes any negative criticism of the team personally. 

 

It's a lot like how some people are with family.  I know, because my spouse does it a lot.  She has a story and an excuse for many of those she loves and damn near acts as their defense counsel on EVERYTHING.  No matter the history or scenario, she'll find a reason to take the side of the family member, even if she has to "yeah, but..." her way through it.  I see that all the time here.  I've always been the type to call a spade a spade, but perhaps that's just because I grew up differently, where it was primarily just me and my mom.  I never really had that defense mechanism over anyone but her.

[desertbeagle85]

19 minutes ago, Unbias said:

 

There's no denying that Trent has missed time the past 5 seasons and at 31 years old will probably miss more time, not less. 

 

I'm not against Penn being a seasoned backup to Trent where they effectively 'share' a season of playing LT. That would be a smart move. What would also be a smart move is over the past 3 drafts stock up on young OTs in the later rounds to build depth in that key position. Outside of Geron Christian in the 3rd round of last year we haven't done that. 

 

Leaning on a 36 year old for the LT position with no real depth is not a good plan. We jump to blaming Trent, but he didn't put us in this position. He's just looking to take the leverage presented and benefit from it. 

 

No not blaming Trent I'm 100% blaming this organization. I for one think Collins at his price was stupid as well. When that could've been used somewhere more important. 

 

As for right now though we can't draft until next year and the free agents that are available aren't great. If Trent doesn't want to play. The Skins have no choice other than bringing in who they can. Unless they can trade Trent for another good LT and I doubt that is possible. So we are stuck with people like Penn. I don't want to pay Trent more that's for sure. So get by and draft next year I say.

[carex]

13 minutes ago, Unbias said:

 

I've always been confused how fans immediately go to defending the team and turn their back on the players. The players are the ones we connect with and often leave the league physically and financially broken. 

 

It's as if some of the fan base takes any negative criticism of the team personally. Each team is a big company with many moving parts, so they are bound to make mistakes. Look at the Pats with spygate, deflate gate, Aaron Hernandez, etc... As much as they are a 'model franchise' they are far from perfect. 

 

For me, Trent has been an amazing Redskins. I've been proud to rock his jersey in the past and will long after he's retired. For me guys like Trent build culture, which is more important in a locker room than managing the cap. 

 

the players change, the team stays the same. 

 

And maybe Trent was good for the teams culture, but he's declared he doesn't want to be part of the culture anymore.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

5 hours ago, dckey said:

I wonder how many of the fans would be willing to go back to a team that had a training staff who missed diagnosed a tumor in your head that could have been cancerous, without any guaranteed money left on your contract?  A lot of people are saying he's injury prone, our whole team is injury prone.  Maybe it's because of this training staff and training facilities.  Hell I would want to leave also, with a better staff and facility, He might stay healthy and be able to prolong his career and get another big pay day!!!

 

Why does this matter? I'm only concerned with how the Redskins should react to the current situation. If Trent doesn't want to come play for us (even if his reasons are legitimate), then get something back for him! The answer is NOT to pay him more money. 

[TD_washingtonredskins]

3 minutes ago, carex said:

 

the players change, the team stays the same. 

 

And maybe Trent was good for the teams culture, but he's declared he doesn't want to be part of the culture anymore.

 

Exactly. These players (from the very best ones to the awful ones) are simply guys doing a job. I want the team to be in the best position possible at all times because I'm not going to be living and dying with how Trent Williams is doing in 2019 if it's not with us. I will be living and dying with how the Redskins do...just as I have every Sunday since 1982. 

 

And don't misunderstand, I don't have anything against most of the players...it's simply that I care more about the colors and tradition than I do any one player. It's honestly one of the reasons that football is my favorite sport. It's a very anonymous sport, from the turnover all the way to the helmets making the guys less human when they're playing.  

[bakedtater1]

1 hour ago, desertbeagle85 said:

 

This is a joke right?

Fooo shoo 

[Bang]

5 hours ago, dckey said:

Just for clarification I should have said medical staff and not training staff!!  I'm sure the team has specialist for everything.  And my point is that if the oncologist or whoever represents the team miss diagnosed you with something that serious, because they still want you on the field. I would have a big problem with the team also. So what you are saying is I should never believe the medical staff

I got a dollar that says there are no cancer doctors on the Redskins training staff. "Medical staff", "training staff"... same thing. This  is not a hospital. it is a professional sports medical staff.. primarily  there to handle the injuries and ailments that come from playing football.

If you have a toothache and you go to an physical therapist, who's fault is it when your mouth decays?

 

 

Besides, for me it's a moot point. I think it's a stick up for money and anything else is

A/ media speculation, and

B/ smoke so we don't see the stick up.

 

~Bang

36 minutes ago, desertbeagle85 said:

 

No not blaming Trent I'm 100% blaming this organization. I for one think Collins at his price was stupid as well. When that could've been used somewhere more important. 

 

As for right now though we can't draft until next year and the free agents that are available aren't great. If Trent doesn't want to play. The Skins have no choice other than bringing in who they can. Unless they can trade Trent for another good LT and I doubt that is possible. So we are stuck with people like Penn. I don't want to pay Trent more that's for sure. So get by and draft next year I say.

What are you blaming the team for? Timing a nice contract to expire right around the same time the usual career does?

Trent is seizing opportunity for Trent, period.

While in the business of Trent, Inc, there is nothing wrong with capitalizing on  a situation,  but exploiting the team you are supposedly a "leader" of..  again, how is this the team's fault? 

 

~Bang

[TD_washingtonredskins]

@Bang and I'd add that it's Trent's right to do this if he wants to. But, that doesn't mean it can't annoy fans or result in fans saying "well, the 31 year old player who is degrading can go and we can find the next LT next year."

 

It's like the stupid freedom of speech argument I used to always hear. Yes, you can say whatever you want, but those words still come with consequences. 

[desertbeagle85]

12 minutes ago, Bang said:

I got a dollar that says there are no cancer doctors on the Redskins training staff. "Medical staff", "training staff"... same thing. This  is not a hospital. it is a professional sports medical staff.. primarily  there to handle the injuries and ailments that come from playing football.

If you have a toothache and you go to an physical therapist, who's fault is it when your mouth decays?

 

 

Besides, for me it's a moot point. I think it's a stick up for money and anything else is

A/ media speculation, and

B/ smoke so we don't see the stick up.

 

~Bang

What are you blaming the team for? Timing a nice contract to expire right around the same time the usual career does?

Trent is seizing opportunity for Trent, period.

While in the business of Trent, Inc, there is nothing wrong with capitalizing on  a situation,  but exploiting the team you are supposedly a "leader" of..  again, how is this the team's fault? 

 

~Bang

 

The team has no depth. They don't even have a backup LT that's why they have to look at adding Penn. So yeah I'm blaming them. They lost a good swing tackle and replaced him with a bust named Flowers. Why would they even expect Trent to stay healthy even if he showed up. The guy has been hurt every year it seems. So maybe investing some more money in depth would've been a good idea. 

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

2 minutes ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

But, that doesn't mean it can't annoy fans or result in fans saying "well, the 31 year old player who is degrading can go and we can find the next LT next year."

I’d get that if we were the Pats or some team that has proven the ability to recycle stars and be successful.

 

I’m not even taking sides on this matter.  Removing the medical stuff entirely, I can see it from both angles. Both sides are in a tough spot.  I’ll just never grasp the blind allegiance to the colors and the team, when their track record is always worse than most every player when these issues arise.

[Bang]

9 minutes ago, desertbeagle85 said:

 

The team has no depth. They don't even have a backup LT that's why they have to look at adding Penn. So yeah I'm blaming them. They lost a good swing tackle and replaced him with a bust named Flowers. Why would they even expect Trent to stay healthy even if he showed up. The guy has been hurt every year it seems. So maybe investing some more money in depth would've been a good idea. 

They did draft a tackle in the 3rd round last year.  If Trent isn't off doing whatever he's doing, there's a first, second and third string.
they let Nsehke go because economics in the NFL says you don't pay a backup that much cash. That is how you end up in trouble. You rely on draft picks.

And you RELY on the guys you have signed and rewarded to be the leaders on your team...  to which Trent took a look at what you just said, saw vulnerability and stuck his gun in their back.

Yea, i can see how counting on a guy who is supposedly a 'leader' to hold it down so u can build other positions to help him win is the team's fault.

Stupid trust. Must be morons for expecting a guy to honor that.

 

~Bang

 

[TD_washingtonredskins]

2 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

I’d get that if we were the Pats or some team that has proven the ability to recycle stars and be successful.

 

I’m not even taking sides on this matter.  Removing the medical stuff entirely, I can see it from both angles. Both sides are in a tough spot.  I’ll just never grasp the blind allegiance to the colors and the team, when their track record is always worse than most every player when these issues arise.

 

I think you're mistaking my preference for the team to be right with an insistence that they are. I'm not going to blindly defend anything they do, but I sure as Hell want all of their decisions to work out. They are my favorite football team, so even if they signed 53 players who were all in the late-30s, I'd want it to work out despite knowing it won't. 

 

So, as it pertains to Trent Williams, I wouldn't be shocked to find out that he has a legitimate gripe. But, in the end, I don't personally care. If whatever they've done has him to a point where he won't play here, then trade him. Don't double down on a bad situation by giving a declining 31-year old a RAISE. 

[Bang]

12 minutes ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

@Bang and I'd add that it's Trent's right to do this if he wants to. But, that doesn't mean it can't annoy fans or result in fans saying "well, the 31 year old player who is degrading can go and we can find the next LT next year."

 

It's like the stupid freedom of speech argument I used to always here. Yes, you can say whatever you want, but those words still come with consequences. 

Exactly. It is his right to maximize his net worth,,,  unfortunately it is at the expense of everyone else.

 

So long as folks don't ask me to respect it...

 

~Bang

[Califan007 The Constipated]

1 hour ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

It would seem some people need reminded that none of us have the faintest idea what Trent's beef with the medical staff is.  I keep seeing these leaps to where it's his fault, that he's an idiot who trusted the team docs to diagnose the bump on his head.  We have absolutely no clue what transpired between Trent and the team docs to cause this beef.

1

 

People are also clamoring for every member of the team's medical staff to be fired simply to appease Williams without having any clue whatsoever about what transpired between Trent and the team, or if anything medical-wise actually did transpire lol...it comes across to me as a venting exercise more than anything.

[hailmary]

What's TW cap numbers look like if we trade/waive him? would we save $9,217,245 this season? not sure if this is correct?

 

[JoggingGod]

1 hour ago, Unbias said:

 

On June 7th Bruce Allen met the media and when asked about the Williams holdout he said, "I know what the truth is".

 

Since then we signed Ereck Flowers on June 19th and now as training camp starts we are searching through the discount bin for a starting LT? 

 

Flowers is bad. A 36 year old player who's been hurt the past two years is also bad. These are all last minute reactive moves that gloss over the larger problems. We had info and time to be better prepared. We are not. Let's stop cheering over marginal, short sighted improvements and wonder why we are consistently put in these positions. 

So if you were forced to eat a peach, and you had a rotten peach, but I offered you an overly ripe but edible peach, you wouldn’t take the latter? With no fresh ones available?

 

That’s our potential situation.