No Excuses Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 The more Trumpism becomes the norm, the less we will have intelligent and qualified people like Fiona Hill work for the government. Just like they did with climate science and a host of science policy issues, foreign policy and election security are the next victims of the GOPs slide towards the party of low-grade conspiracy theorists and bottom feeders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Nunes is going to file a motion to treat the witness as hostile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 ah, i love the smell of napalm in the morning and the idea of devin nunes playing go fetch with ramsay bolton's doggies fiona hill's statement suggests a very interesting day and something i've long been waiting for and hope to see---someone smart and aggressive with a real spine going after the ignorant and/or nutter and/or serial-lying pieces of **** that are the gop senators and representatives (and the vast majority of the party) for their traitorous conspiracy theory bs they use to hide their 100% dedication to crazy-plus-corruption and being the party of putin i do occasionally anger my way into a sentiment of **** 'em all, inc all the "good ones" who with their self-centered dumbass denial are very culpable for many decades of helping to support this ignorant, bigoted, crooked, crazy, malevolent, and simply terminally dysfunctional mass of morons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 11 hours ago, Jumbo said: ya know when i'm having my genghis/josef/pol moments, i always have on my list all the people, big (owners, on-air talent etc. ) and small (consumers, etc), who give their loyal support to fox news, breitbart, and a half dozen or so of the rigthwing radios guys (rush, savage, um, jizzbag, dungface, i forget the others) and all their helpers in any form....but even were the desire made manifest, there would be very negative practical consequences that would be an issue for everyone...so many roles suddenly absent performers...lots of job openings but all kinds of chaos, even calamities (one of them must be an. airline pilot) ...i'm not gonna do it... Well... just in case you were to... you know... get some ideas.... I'm not saying I'm not available.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 Manufactured reality courtesy of the Ministry of Truth: 1984 was supposed to be a warning, not an instructional manual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said: Well... just in case you were to... you know... get some ideas.... I'm not saying I'm not available.... nah, i'm all talk since i found out that the jacket a certain federal agency has on me is code-named "Lex Lector" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, No Excuses said: Manufactured reality courtesy of the Ministry of Truth: 1984 was supposed to be a warning, not an instructional manual. They are keying in on the question from Turner where he said nobody specifically told him the Ukraine aid was tied to the investigations. That's what they are running with. It was all over right wing news yesterday as the complete exoneration and grand slam for Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 New drinking game: take a shot every time a Republican says "Javelins!" Also, did Nunes really just say "thought crime"? lulz Oh, he's back to the "I know you are, but what am I" defense. Joy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan999 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Ah, so now Sondland was Democrats' "star witness". Thanks for the clarification, Nunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, No Excuses said: The more Trumpism becomes the norm, the less we will have intelligent and qualified people like Fiona Hill work for the government. I know people that left their govt job or are trying to because of how things have been under this administration it’s not a difference in ideology. It’s a difference in competence and motives. People who work in those agencies will know what I’m talking about. it’s going to require a lot of effort to repair that damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 lol Nunes just said he hopes the Democrats will put their conspiracy theories to rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I love how Nunes was all "hold my dick" with that Russian interference book and will immediately go back to "Now about that server in Ukrainia" at the first possible opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 53 minutes ago, Jumbo said: i do occasionally anger my way into a sentiment of **** 'em all, inc all the "good ones" who with their self-centered dumbass denial are very culpable for many decades of helping to support this ignorant, bigoted, crooked, crazy, malevolent, and simply terminally dysfunctional mass of morons I live in this space daily you get used to it and eventually realize it’s the correct space to live in. which makes you angrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 36 minutes ago, Jumbo said: nah, i'm all talk since i found out that the jacket a certain federal agency has on me is code-named "Lex Lector" Uhhh, you kids, the first rule of fight club, yanno? Never give 'em a heads up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Mr. Holmes has a wonky ear. Now, you can’t unsee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'emAlive Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 David Holmes has the deets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Holmes looks pissed as he narrates this travesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Skin'emAlive said: David Holmes has the deets Oh hes spilling all the goods. This is why Sonladnd was talking, he knew these people were gonna talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Trump didn't know that Kiev is in Urkraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 ok another question for those more in-tune with the senate. the generally commentary i've heard is "The house will impeach but the senate will not remove" so 67 members have to vote to remove. I feel like the 45 democrats are all going to be a yes if we get that far, which means we would need 23 of the 53 republicans to vote yes. Just under half. A realize this is likely a really stupid question but - are those 23 votes unobtainable? I get there is a % of current senators that would never vote against rump, but is it over 50%? The reason I'm confused with the sentiment is that generally speaking I feel like our opinions are formed based on the extreme ends of things being loud and creating the narrative. So this idea that "no republicans will vote to remove" feels like it's based on a small % (less than 50) being measured that way and that projected on the rest. I get that, generally speaking, the GOP is in lockstep whereas the democrats rarely are. I also understand the GOP memebers have, for the most part, been against this whole thing so far. But I also feel like being at a point in time where the senate is voting to remove from office (Which means he's already been impeached) is different than where we are now or how we got here... Kind of like I how I think 2020 general polling in November of 2019 is, at best, not really meaningful - too much time to change minds, and it's easy to say in a poll in 2019 how you feel but it's different to walk into a voting booth on election day and actually cast a vote... Just now, Dan T. said: Trump didn't know that Kiev is in Urkraine. We can put this at the top of the "least surprising pieces of information obtained from this whole thing" list... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Part of me sees the uber-Trump defenders as no different (loyalty-wise) than true believers of any other candidate/elected official/President. The major difference is that Trump is so awful and unqualified that the specific things his true believers have to constantly defend are so out of the realm of normalcy that it comes off 100000000x worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, tshile said: ok another question for those more in-tune with the senate. the generally commentary i've heard is "The house will impeach but the senate will not remove" so 67 members have to vote to remove. I feel like the 45 democrats are all going to be a yes if we get that far, which means we would need 23 of the 53 republicans to vote yes. Just under half. A realize this is likely a really stupid question but - are those 23 votes unobtainable? I get there is a % of current senators that would never vote against rump, but is it over 50%? The reason I'm confused with the sentiment is that generally speaking I feel like our opinions are formed based on the extreme ends of things being loud and creating the narrative. So this idea that "no republicans will vote to remove" feels like it's based on a small % (less than 50) being measured that way and that projected on the rest. They have stuck by him even though he is an obvious rapist and racist, political corruption to destroy a democracy from within probably doesnt even register. I'm not sold all dems will vote to remove. I dont trust Joe Manchin to do the right thing. He will vote with the repubs to allow him to stay and it will be somehow hailed as bipartisant supporr for the president Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Holmes bringing the heat. It’s sad to see these qualified professional public and civil servants have to go through this process. These people are heroes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I fully expect a Senate vote to fall two votes short, McTurtle will allow some to vote for it that are in iffy states to help their reelection chances, but the outcome is not in doubt. I'd be surprised if Mitch didn't already have a list and agreements from the Senate Rs as to how they'll vote no matter what is presented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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