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6 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

I knew Amazon pulled out.  Didn't know AOC had anything to do with it or it being a debacle.

Oh, she undoubtedly gave the movement a famous voice/face ... and celebrated the news when Amazon pulled out. She's been raked over the coals by both parties for it, so she's been laying low, at least IMO.

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32 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

Helping tank HQ2 in NYC.

 

9 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

Oh, she undoubtedly gave the movement a famous voice/face ... and celebrated the news when Amazon pulled out. She's been raked over the coals by both parties for it, so she's been laying low, at least IMO.

 

LOL, the Amazon deal was bad for people in NYC.

 

And she only said she didn't like it, she had nothing to do with it collapsing. I thought you had something she said on the Hill about Amazon. Not something that people in NYC didn't actually want.

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13 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

LOL, the Amazon deal was bad for people in NYC.

Not to get this off-topic ... but no, it wasn't. I guess it depends on what angle you're taking, but $27 billion in tax revenue to NYC over 10 years was the projected revenues. The crazies in Queens were given a voice, and some local politicians saw a chance at gaining the limelight. Kind of comical. Gianaris in particular.

 

And AOC showed that she was completely out of her league. Which she is. And that's coming from a "liberal" democrat, who is now considering how liberal i really am since that apparently labels me as a Democratic Socialist, which I absolutely am not.

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21 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

 

 

 

LOL, the Amazon deal was bad for people in NYC.

 

And she only said she didn't like it, she had nothing to do with it collapsing. I thought you had something she said on the Hill about Amazon. Not something that people in NYC didn't actually want.

I'm not sure about that 

 

A significant majority (56 percent) of all New Yorkers approved of the plan while 36 percent disapproved. Among New York City residents support was slightly stronger at 58 percent.

Support was most pronounced among minorities: 70 percent of black voters approved while just 25 percent disapproved, and 81 percent of Latinos approved compared to 17 percent who disapproved.

https://news.yahoo.com/poll-majority-yorkers-supported-amazon-140324398.html

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I don't have much to add right now, other than I'm a big fan of Penn State wrestling.  Jim Jordan's kids wrestle for Ohio State.  I don't have anything against his kids particularly, but it has been enjoyable when one of Penn State's kids has ragdolled them, if only because I hope it is sticking Jim Jordan in the heart having to watch it happen.

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8 minutes ago, Forehead said:

I don't have much to add right now, other than I'm a big fan of Penn State wrestling.  Jim Jordan's kids wrestle for Ohio State.  I don't have anything against his kids particularly, but it has been enjoyable when one of Penn State's kids has ragdolled them, if only because I hope it is sticking Jim Jordan in the heart having to watch it happen.

https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/congressman-jim-jordan-knew-about-sex-abuse-former-wrestlers-say/lzfhebNU5mZ5WrRbfg3aFM/

 

17 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

Not to get this off-topic ... but no, it wasn't. I guess it depends on what angle you're taking, but $27 billion in tax revenue to NYC over 10 years was the projected revenues. The crazies in Queens were given a voice, and some local politicians saw a chance at gaining the limelight. Kind of comical. Gianaris in particular.

 

And AOC showed that she was completely out of her league. Which she is. And that's coming from a "liberal" democrat, who is now considering how liberal i really am since that apparently labels me as a Democratic Socialist, which I absolutely am not.

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This is that trickle down thing that the wealthy tells us we should do. Give billions in tax breaks for stadiums, for corporate headquarters, etc, and the people will get their money back. It doesn't help the economy, it just helps the pockets of the wealthy.

 

The "crazies" in Long Island City didn't want to give public money to the richest man in the world so that he could bring thousands of people to their community thus making their homes unaffordable after property rates go up. The other "crazies" were also people on the local and city councils who were shut out of the deal but finally had a chance to make their voice heard.

 

AOC showed she was "out of her league" by siding with the people - while actually not doing anything of substance - and the people of Long Island City, and by proxy the rest of NYC, not agreeing to a bad deal. If only those in Virginia had that same courage. Giving billions in tax breaks to the wealthiest man in the world to add little to no benefit to your economy is a terrible deal.

 

Especially for New York City, which last I checked didn't need that.

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@BenningRoadSkin As someone who has been around the NoVa deal, I do take issue to a lot of these arguments. But you're entitled to your opinions.

 

Plenty of information to counter what you're saying, but this isn't the forum for it. But check out the resources the localities have made available to spread information about this deal. Virginia delivered a world-class deal and partnership with the company that will deliver decades of benefits for the region.

 

Also I take umbrage with identifying Amazon as "owned by the richest man in the world" ... he's the CEO and owns 16% of the company, but Amazon is public, FYI.

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20 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

 $27 billion in tax revenue to NYC over 10 years was the projected revenues. 

 

And AOC showed that she was completely out of her league. Which she is. 

Listening to her afterwards talking about how the $3 billion in tax breaks could now instead be used to build schools and maintain subways...uh, that was a modest reduction in a windfall of new revenue which is now gone... 27-3 > 0.

So basically,

 

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I think my favorite analysis (can't remember if it came from a congressman or from an NPR guest) was that if we are to dismiss Cohen because he has been found guilty of lying then we would never be able to successfully prosecute any mobster or RICO investigations. Speaking with guys who were a part of the criminal food chain is a huge part of the normal process of trying these cases.

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22 minutes ago, Burgold said:

I think my favorite analysis (can't remember if it came from a congressman or from an NPR guest) was that if we are to dismiss Cohen because he has been found guilty of lying then we would never be able to successfully prosecute any mobster or RICO investigations. Speaking with guys who were a part of the criminal food chain is a huge part of the normal process of trying these cases.

 

Exactly, and the GOP know this.  It is pretty standard procedure to catch someone in the chain in a lie(s), prosecute them, lay out how much time in prison they're looking at, and press them to flip.  Absolutely nothing abnormal about using liars, gangsters, and criminals to bring down other liars, gangsters, & criminals. 

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