Hersh Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said: You hope he's done. He couldn’t win a primary in Arizona. What is he ever gonna do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Just now, justice98 said: He hasnt denied being there. He said he doesnt recall. Not the same thing. And none of the statements were under oath as far as I can recall it did not occur IS a denial of any thing to offer in support the statements carry a penalty under the law if false Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B&G Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, bcl05 said: That is wrong. It is not refuted, they say they don't remember. This is not exculpatory evidence. We also know that there are other accusers who have not been heard in testimony yet. I would be interested in hearing from them, and investigating their allegations. The GOP's refusal to do so demonstrates that sexual assault is simply unimportant to them, and is not disqualifying. I assume you share that opinion. If so, I simply don't understand how you consider yourself a moral person. You also seem to ignore, or not care, that BK is a proven, demonstrable liar, including about many subjects unrelated to sexual assault. Maybe that fits with what you want on the supreme court, but not for me. There is no evidence to support Dr. Ford's allegation...PERIOD. Sexual assault is horrific. We are a nation of laws, however. Can you imagine our country as one where allegations are accepted as a whole piece of cloth even in the absence of any a shred of evidence? I cannot as that is the hallmark characteristic of despotic governments throughout history. God forbid that the United States ever goes down that route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Hersh said: He couldn’t win a primary in Arizona. What is he ever gonna do? Pretty sure he's not going to be running the local lawncare company or funeral parlor. I think @PleaseBlitzilluminated what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said: It sucks that Mark Judge can't be subpoenaed. From what I can tell he's the one guy that can shed better light on this thing, correct? Even though he said he wouldn't show up of the subpoenaed him anyway. He could be subpoenaed or the FBI could interview him in private Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Just now, Hersh said: He could be subpoenaed or the FBI could interview him in private Pretty sure he released a statement last night saying he's not going to cooperate with anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, B&G said: Sexual assault is horrific. We are a nation of laws, however. Can you imagine our country as one where allegations are accepted as a whole piece of cloth even in the absence of any a shred of evidence? I cannot as that is the hallmark characteristic of despotic governments throughout history. God forbid that the United States ever goes down that route. This current president was caught on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women and their were no consequences. Save your BS for another time. Edited September 28, 2018 by No Excuses 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, twa said: as far as I can recall it did not occur IS a denial of any thing to offer in support the statements carry a penalty under the law if false A drunken teenager named Brett Kavanaugh sexually assaulted a 15 year old girl in the summer of 1982. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Spaceman Spiff said: Pretty sure he released a statement last night saying he's not going to cooperate with anyone. You can refuse subpoenas now? Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 28, 2018 Author Share Posted September 28, 2018 As expected, we will have a confirmed liar on the US Supreme Court. Sad day for America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 44 minutes ago, justice98 said: Flake never backs up his tough talk. Yup. The people that we need to be courageous (its pathetic that this would be courageous, standing up to your party in the name of doing whatever right) are phony. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcl05 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, B&G said: There is no evidence to support Dr. Ford's allegation...PERIOD. Sexual assault is horrific. We are a nation of laws, however. Can you imagine our country as one where allegations are accepted as a whole piece of cloth even in the absence of any a shred of evidence? I cannot as that is the hallmark characteristic of despotic governments throughout history. God forbid that the United States ever goes down that route. Again, this is not true. Using capital letters does not make something more true. Her testimony is evidence. The fact that she talked about it, repeatedly, to various people, over multiple years, is evidence. The fact that he clearly lied under oath is evidence against him. This may not be enough evidence to convict in a court of law (though it certainly could be), but that threshold does not exist for the supreme court. Also, you cannot believably claim that you consider sexual assault horrific, and then support a president who has bragged about doing it, has over a dozen credible accusers, supported a child molester for senate, and is completely uninterested in investigating multiple allegations against the chosen supreme court pick. Edited September 28, 2018 by bcl05 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, B&G said: There is no evidence to support Dr. Ford's allegation...PERIOD. Sexual assault is horrific. We are a nation of laws, however. Can you imagine our country as one where allegations are accepted as a whole piece of cloth even in the absence of any a shred of evidence? I cannot as that is the hallmark characteristic of despotic governments throughout history. God forbid that the United States ever goes down that route. Which is why you have investigations when allegations are made. This seems lost on you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: You can refuse subpoenas now? Interesting. Sure. If you don't mind being punished by the courts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: You can refuse subpoenas now? Interesting. I believe that’s the case for senate one’s is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said: It sucks that Mark Judge can't be subpoenaed. From what I can tell he's the one guy that can shed better light on this thing, correct? Even though he said he wouldn't show up of the subpoenaed him anyway. I mean, he can be subpoenaed. And if that happened and he didn't show up, he'd be in contempt of Congress and face serious repercussion (which is why R's won't just issue the subpoena and then say "well, we tried but he didn't show up.") Ultimately, there is going to be a pretty thorough investigation of all of this. It's just being outsourced to the press (who, obviously, don't have the investigative authority of law enforcement). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 **** these mother****ers. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 It just pathetic and sad to see the weakass excuses being made for Kav. I have no doubt the same people will turn a blind eye when his daughters reveal that he got raging drunk and hate****ed them last night. The Revolticans need to be burned to the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B&G Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, Dan T. said: A drunken teenager named Brett Kavanaugh sexually assaulted a 15 year old girl in the summer of 1982. The Republican congress is poised to vote him onto the Supreme Court. Liberals are of one mind on this issue and that is deeply troubling. I would really love to hear just one liberal tell me what evidence they have that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted Dr. Ford. Not an emotionally charged diatribe but real evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said: Pretty sure he's not going to be running the local lawncare company or funeral parlor. I think @PleaseBlitzilluminated what he can do. I don’t consider him being in a thinktank the same as holding office or being appointed to a cabinet position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Just now, PleaseBlitz said: Ultimately, there is going to be a pretty thorough investigation of all of this. It's just being outsourced to the press (who, obviously, don't have the investigative authority of law enforcement). By the county or state or someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 This is so messed up. TBH Mark Judge would result in a similar hearing. He would deny, deny, deny... the point would be collecting further evidence... to establish the timeline. I am prepared to be disappointed again in November, but hope this episode resonates with voters that demonstrate the character of the GOP. Politics needs an enema.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 @PleaseBlitz is character/ behavior consistent with the allegations considered evidence in the absence of evidence in your experience? What I am asking is basically - Everyone at the party says they dont remember. Its possible they were drugged or so drunk they dont remember if the allegation is true. So we dont know what may have happened. But if we do know that the accused is a heavy drinker, sexually...uh....aggressive? and there are other allegations that are consistent with the trend....is any of that considered evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: You can refuse subpoenas now? Interesting. No, he said something along the lines of he's aware that it'd be a felony, if I understand the last line before his signature. https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-09-27 Judge to Grassley, Feinstein - Ford Allegation.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Just now, tshile said: I believe that’s the case for senate one’s is it not? its not. You can't refuse any subpoena. Even if I sue you and summon you to court, you not showing up is contempt of court. And thats not including if the Feds want to talk to you. You can refuse to talk to the FBI by avoiding areas they will be, but they will find you. Only extremely privileged persons, like Judge, will say they are not cooperating with anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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