CTskin Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/14/2018 at 12:41 PM, OVCChairman said: We better kick the tires on Cooper.... Word was they needed a 1st round pick in return. That's a big **** no. 1 hour ago, Nerm said: If it makes anyone feel better, the Skins are going to have the better WRs and TEs this weekend. Also, Alex Smith has more passing yards than Dak does, even though Dak has played one more game. You guys look like the greatest show on turf compared to the Cowboys passing attack. Dak is a flat out bad QB. Last week was an aberration; Jacksonville gave up by the end of the 1st quarter and the Cowboys laid it on thick. Similar to us on Drew Brees day. We need to hold Zeke in check and make Dak beat us because he won't. The only throws that he can make are the play action bootleg short to the TE and the short slant to the slot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) When can Quinn and Simms come back? Week 8? If healthy, I really think both could help us tremendously. Quinn as a reliable underneath receiver and Simms as the deep threat we desperately need. Edited October 18, 2018 by mojo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 10 hours ago, CTskin said: Word was they needed a 1st round pick in return. That's a big **** no. Yeah no... i'm with ya. I was looking at a Saturday pick lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, OVCChairman said: Yeah no... i'm with ya. I was looking at a Saturday pick lol. Doctson and a 3rd would have been nice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 14 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: Doctson and a 3rd would have been nice. Man that feels expensive... I may have done a 4th, or doc and 5 or 6... then again, its probably pretty clear that we're not in love with Doc so his value is diminished as we'll likely not be extending him after next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 31 minutes ago, OVCChairman said: Man that feels expensive... I may have done a 4th, or doc and 5 or 6... then again, its probably pretty clear that we're not in love with Doc so his value is diminished as we'll likely not be extending him after next season. To be honest, I wouldn't panic and package too high a pick with Doctson. Amari Cooper has been inconsistent and is no "sure fire" thing himself. When considering the cost in a trade, I would offer Doctson + 5th rounder. Anything more than that and we have crossed the break-even point in a trade, in my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, bird_1972 said: To be honest, I wouldn't panic and package too high a pick with Doctson. Amari Cooper has been inconsistent and is no "sure fire" thing himself. When considering the cost in a trade, I would offer Doctson + 5th rounder. Anything more than that and we have crossed the break-even point in a trade, in my opinion. Yeah that's why i feel like Doc and a 3 is too much... I'd be hesitant to give up just a 3, let alone a 3 AND a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, OVCChairman said: Yeah that's why i feel like Doc and a 3 is too much... I'd be hesitant to give up just a 3, let alone a 3 AND a player. I feel like other teams surprise me with how little they give up in a trade. The thing is that we need a signal that OAK is willing/interested in moving on from Cooper. In that case, they lose a little leverage and perhaps we can go Doctson + conditional pick or even a lower draft pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Anything more than a 5th for Cooper and a contract negotiation (Oakland eating much of his $14M fully guaranteed salary) is not worth it. I have seen lot's of analysis showing that WRs are open but Alex is not finding them. Let's see how the gets do once the chemistry gets going. Each week they are getting more involved and Alex is getting the ball to them more. I know it's hard for fans - but the team needs to have some patience and not do a Vinny knee jerk reaction and send a mid to high draft pick for a guy who as at best been inconsistent and is due a huge salary next year. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaper Skins Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Amari Cooper is an unmotivated underachiever with a questionable level of love for the game. Hard Pass 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 41 minutes ago, bird_1972 said: I feel like other teams surprise me with how little they give up in a trade. The thing is that we need a signal that OAK is willing/interested in moving on from Cooper. In that case, they lose a little leverage and perhaps we can go Doctson + conditional pick or even a lower draft pick. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/10/14/raiders-reportedly-shopping-amari-cooper-karl-joseph/ It was all over the place... Gruden has since come out and said it's not true... but I don't trust that for a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 27 minutes ago, OVCChairman said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/10/14/raiders-reportedly-shopping-amari-cooper-karl-joseph/ It was all over the place... Gruden has since come out and said it's not true... but I don't trust that for a second. As many in these forums have discussed already, one has to wonder if he and Jay talk about this stuff at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 1 hour ago, goskins10 said: Anything more than a 5th for Cooper and a contract negotiation (Oakland eating much of his $14M fully guaranteed salary) is not worth it. I have seen lot's of analysis showing that WRs are open but Alex is not finding them. Let's see how the gets do once the chemistry gets going. Each week they are getting more involved and Alex is getting the ball to them more. I know it's hard for fans - but the team needs to have some patience and not do a Vinny knee jerk reaction and send a mid to high draft pick for a guy who as at best been inconsistent and is due a huge salary next year. I thought teams trading a player had to eat (what would be) the dead cap money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 1 minute ago, skinny21 said: I thought teams trading a player had to eat (what would be) the dead cap money? If they release them, yes. But in a trade the team taking the player inherits the contract requirement unless otherwise agreed to in the trade. The team trading could refuse to take the trade unless the original team assumes part or all the salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why am I Mr. Pink? Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Crowder most likely out for the Dallas game. Sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Why would we trade a pick (and Oakland probably wouldn't take anything less than a 2nd rounder or 3rd + a player I'm guessing) for a guy we wouldn't even throw the ball to mostly likely? Cooper is a decent WR, but he's looked pretty crappy recently and would be going from a decent but not great gunslinger type QB to a decent but not great super conservative one so he'd be targeted even less most likely. He'd also be due a bunch of money unless we renegotiated his contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKskins Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Why am I Mr. Pink? said: Crowder most likely out for the Dallas game. Sucks. Jehu Chesson promoted again per Official Skins site https://www.redskins.com/news/redskins-sign-jehu-chesson-to-the-active-roster "LOUDOUN COUNTY, Va. – The Washington Redskins announced today that they have made the following roster move: The Redskins signed the following practice squad player to the active roster: WR Jehu Chesson" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Sucks we lost Quinn and Sims week 1. Both could've seen some significant action so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakedtater1 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Dammmnnn no Crowder well that ****in suuu....wait..I think of the name Crowder and I get flash backs to last year not good ..Get feeling better Crowder.. we'll need ya in the meadowlands where ya shine ?.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, goskins10 said: If they release them, yes. But in a trade the team taking the player inherits the contract requirement unless otherwise agreed to in the trade. The team trading could refuse to take the trade unless the original team assumes part or all the salary. Double checked on this... as far as I can find (maybe the article I read was out of date), the original team is on the hook for any signing bonus (becomes dead cap for them), but any guaranteed money in the base salary is transferred. Obviously any future roster bonuses are not incurred by the original team. As far as I can tell, the 5th year option the Raiders picked up (for 2019) doesn’t have any guaranteed money though. So the question becomes, what happens to this years prorated 3.whatever mil of his signing bonus? Damn contracts, lol Edited October 19, 2018 by skinny21 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, skinny21 said: Double checked on this... as far as I can find (maybe the article I read was out of date), the original team is on the hook for any signing bonus (becomes dead cap for them), but any guaranteed money in the base salary is transferred. Obviously any future roster bonuses are not incurred by the original team. As far as I can tell, the 5th year option the Raiders picked up (for 2019) doesn’t have any guaranteed money though. So the question becomes, what happens to this years prorated 3.whatever mil of his signing bonus? Damn contracts, lol Maybe I was not clear enough in my response, so my apologies. Yes, all signing bonus money is on the Raiders. Also, since they picked up his 2019 option he has $14M guaranteed coming his way - it is 100% salary. His signing bonus has already been paid - will be at the end of this year. If the Raiders release him they owe the entire salary no matter what. What I was saying is that typically when a player is traded the new team assumes that salary. That would include a portion of this years salary. Oakland would still have dead CAP for the remaining signing bonus that was prorated over 4 yrs since the 5th yr was an option. But the salary portion can be negotiated between the teams. My point was the Redskins should not even consider taking that salary on. If Oakland wants to eat it and still trade him top us for a 5th or 6th rd pick then maybe - and I say maybe. I would probably still not do it as he becomes a 1 yr rental unless you sign him to a LTD. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 All good @goskins10. This past offseason, I took part in debates about trading some of our higher paid guys, so when I thought you were saying all guaranteed money transferred, I seriously doubted my info/previous posts. 13mil guaranteed next year? Yeah, I’m with you - no thanks. Even more so because I’m thinking the oline wheels are starting to fall off this bus (and it’s liable to get worse) and no receiver is going to save us... except maybe Tyreek Hill, lol. Dang, this post made a sharply negative turn, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSSkinz Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 No Crowder or P Rich on Sunday, time for JD, VD, and JR to step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 It's a freakin MASH unit. Brian Quick needs to step up, too. Mo Harris. Kinda unreal that we haven't looked at Dez. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazel-Ra Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Spaceman Spiff said: It's a freakin MASH unit. Brian Quick needs to step up, too. Mo Harris. Kinda unreal that we haven't looked at Dez. He's THAT toxic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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