Rogue Jedi Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 43 minutes ago, FrFan said: No surprise here, Doctson comes from a weak receivers draft class featuring 1st rounders Coleman, Fuller, Treadwell Fuller at least amassed 10 TDs in 3 years. Doctson will hit that mark in another 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander -JB- Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Josh Doctson is absolutely a certified bum. Consistently doesn’t make plays, drops passes, etc etc. Richardson isn’t even a poor man’s Desean Jackson. He’s more like a poor man’s Chris Collinsworth. Pure bum status. Maurice Harris is probably the best WR on this team. Just pitiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 55 minutes ago, Rogue Jedi said: Fuller at least amassed 10 TDs in 3 years. Doctson will hit that mark in another 3 he had six last year 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoggingGod Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, carex said: he had six last year And he won’t even get close to that this year with Alex Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I miss Pierre Garcon. I also miss DeSean Jackson. Our WRs scare no one. At least with those 2, you could count on the tough catch and forcing to respect us deep. I want to see Brian Quick or Mo Harris eat into some of Doctson's snaps. The 5 times a year either of them get a ball thrown to them, they look decent enough to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) I knew WR was one of the most talked about need but I honestly saw a bounce back year from Crowder and perhaps a big leap by Doctson, I saw Richardson as another Alvin Harper. But man I never saw this group as this bad, they simply do not get open. If Doc busts can we finally close the case and confirm that Scott M's tenure here was yet another example of a smart, accomplished man showing up in Ashburn and instantly turning stupid? Edited September 17, 2018 by Darrell Green Fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) I thought the issue was Kirk just didn't take chances with Doctson (heard that from some beat guys coming out of camp) but Alex will and that will change everything for Doctson? ? I am not one of the Alex haters on the board but I am deemed as one by some because I don't think he's a world beater. But I think he's a good QB -- game manager -- conservative -- doesn't make mistakes. I thought the Alex profile == more let it fly balls headed to Doctson seemed silly. It didn't add up. I liked Doctson coming out of the draft but I had no clue about his personality which I am not impressed with at least in terms of playing with attitude. I haven't though given up on him yet but my patience is waning. I think losing Garcon-D. Jax was clearly a game changer for this offense. 3 things strike me about it: 1. Bruce brushing it off in an interview saying yeah we lost them but we gained most of those TDs and yards back after signing Pryor and Quick. (LOL, in retrospect) 2. Jay wanting to keep D-Jax but FO disagreed with him 3. the word that some beat guys had at the time is internally they were saying Crowder is better than Garcon/D. Jax. I like Crowder but he has not exactly lit the world on fire and replaced the production of Garcon and D. Jax. Edited September 17, 2018 by Skinsinparadise 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoggingGod Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: But I think he's a good QB -- game manager -- conservative -- doesn't make mistakes. I thought the Alex profile == more let it fly balls headed to Doctson seemed silly. It didn't add up. He’s not even a good QB. He’s average. He’s only good if you have a championship caliber team and you need someone to not throw INTs at the wrong time. But relying on him as your long term QB should be enough to get you fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, JoggingGod said: He’s not even a good QB. He’s average. He’s only good if you have a championship caliber team and you need someone to not throw INTs at the wrong time. But relying on him as your long term QB should be enough to get you fired. I hated the trade for reasons I've elaborated on plenty of times. And I do agree the people involved with botching the Kirk contract and replacing him with Alex (I'd have gone young) should be fired -- that means Bruce. Once Kirk was gone, I'd have gone young at that point not older at QB. I think he's a good QB if he has weapons to play with but nothing special. With some on the Alex thread and more so with some Redskins fans on twitter, you'd think the Redskins acquired a QB who was borderline elite and if you disagreed with that than you hated the dude. The oddest discussion point was that the dude is a risk taker and will take more chances than his predecessor. Heck Football Outsiders coined their own check down term "the Alex" because of his propensity to check down even on third and long. But I apparently hate the dude because I bought into those silly stats and the Outsiders supposed agenda. ? But getting past that and building this team, we need more weapons. Not sure if I could trust Gordon being that guy but he's intriguing considering what we got right now. Ian RapoportVerified account @RapSheet 24m24 minutes ago More Ian Rapoport Retweeted Ian Rapoport Josh Gordon makes just $790K this year & is an RFA next year — 2 years of control. If the compensation is a conditional pick based on games played or something similar, it could climb to a mid-rounder. Browns in a good spot. 0:59 Ian RapoportVerified account @RapSheet From @gmfb: The #Browns are expected to be able to trade WR Josh Gordon before 4 pm today and the trade compensation should be legit. 29 replies102 retweets244 likes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) d John-Paul Flaim @GlassJoeJP 1h1 hour ago More The @Redskins wide receivers (Doctson, Richardson and Crowder) have a combined 18 catches for 173 yards through two weeks. DeSean Jackson has 275. https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/17/nfl-week-2-blake-bortles-patrick-mahomes-clay-matthews-penalty-matt-ryan-josh-gordon-missed-kicks JUDGING JOSH GORDON The Browns have been in touch with potential suitors for troubled receiver Josh Gordon in the 24-plus hours after the team’s announcement that they were planning to release him on Monday—which was a de facto “make us an offer” smoke signal to the rest of the league. And as much as getting a return might be nice, I think controlling Gordon’s destination is as important to Cleveland. So your favorite team’s fate on this one is, at least for now, in the hands of Browns GM John Dorsey. You want to know about Gordon? Here are a few things you should know … • There were signs of trouble early in the summer, with rumors buzzing before the July 4 holiday that he’d slipped up. That was followed by Gordon staying away from the start of Browns training camp, a move that came as a surprise to some on the Cleveland coaching staff. • Gordon’s final days in Cleveland were just as strange. On Friday he tweaked his hamstring doing a promotional shoot. The team found out about it on Saturday, after Gordon showed up to work late. • Gordon is one failed drug test from banishment from the league. • The one year Gordon stayed out of trouble was 2013—and he caught 87 passes for 1,646 yards and nine touchdowns. That year, then-Browns CEO Joe Banner hired performance psychologist James Bell and Cleveland Clinic psychiatrist Mayur Pandya to help with troubled players, and the two were vital in Gordon staying on track. • Gordon is seen as easily influenced, which is why the Browns have tried as much as possible to get him around a brother of his who was living in California and is seen as a positive force in his life. • Those who know Gordon say his substance abuse problem stems from deep insecurity and self-esteem issues. No one seems to think he’s a bad guy. That’s why so many people are rooting for Gordon to make it. It’s hard to find someone who’s played with or coached him who isn’t. Edited September 17, 2018 by Skinsinparadise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) Listen, the chances of him making it through the rest if the season without incident are probably slim. So any team that gets him should expect he wont make it the next 14 games intact, IMO. But frankly, the Skins need him desperately. That play he made at the end of the Steeler game is a play nobody on our roster would make. That's the definition of a playmaker. And you can feed him when these other stiffs on the outside arent doing anything. He's almost unguardable, which is what Alex Smith needs to be aggressive. 2 hours ago, -JB- said: Josh Doctson is absolutely a certified bum. Consistently doesn’t make plays, drops passes, etc etc. Richardson isn’t even a poor man’s Desean Jackson. He’s more like a poor man’s Chris Collinsworth. Pure bum status. Maurice Harris is probably the best WR on this team. Just pitiful. Watching DJax running free downfield every week makes me sad. Edited September 17, 2018 by justice98 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I was really hoping Josh would work out this offseason, and become more of a stout possession type. Look at how big NFL WRs arms are now. It's not just my personal preference, they need to be strong to hold onto the ball. That ship long sailed on Doctson for this year. But I have always thought it was wise to have WRs with size and if not, strength, for half of every single game, they are run blockers. Dare I think our WRs are not great blockers. Seeing Grant with a nice block yesterday was salt in the loss wound. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommandB11 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Have we signed Dez yet? Have we traded for Gordon yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Doctson reminds somewhat of Amari Cooper. Cooper was supposed to be the be all end all when he was drafted, and he never lived up to the hype. The Raiders moved him to more of a slot WR role and he has improved a lot. Crabtree is another WR that was drafted with high expectations and floundered for awhile until his role changed. Maybe for Doctson as a last ditch effort, the coaching staff needs to give up on him developing into a #1 reliable WR and move him to another role. Get the ball in his hands, even if it is on shorter passes and see what he can do in space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrFan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 They decided to bring in Perryman for a workout 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 This is pretty much an admission that this isn't working and the WR core needs help. Hope it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFi Skins Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Perriman is a bust... Much like Doctson... Gordon, minus the off-field stuff, and Dez, have actually balled out at the NFL level.. No comparison, but lets embrace the suck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 What Ravens can learn from having worst-ranked WR in Breshad Perriman The Baltimore Ravens are at the NFL combine with wide receiver once again a priority, just three years after taking Breshad Perriman in the first round. Perriman's short NFL career bottomed out last season, when he finished as the league's worst-ranked wide receiver. Pro Football Focus gave him the lowest grade among 116 receivers. His dropped passes and inability to win contested catches turned into interceptions. His lack of production led to him being a healthy scratch for a team that desperately needed receivers. http://www.espn.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/43300/what-can-ravens-learn-from-breshad-perriman-the-nfls-worst-ranked-wr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Those banging the drum for Gordon. Does anyone actually buy the reason he was released? Unless the guy was signed to a low-to-no risk contract, I am not taking a chance on someone who is a strike away from being banned again. Dez.......ugh.....Dez...............I mean, ok? He is better than what we got. I don't like it, but I'd go along with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) Would love to somehow get Paul Richardson in the slot more often and relegate Crowder to more of a situational role. How this can happen with current WR depth does not seem likely. Need speed on the field more consistently. Edited September 17, 2018 by wit33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskinscub Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Our wideouts are very green and it is 50/50 whether or not Docson will ever amount to anything. I miss Garcon and DJax but they would have commanded a lot of $$$ and they are on the backside of their careers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I don't see how any receiver out there, not named Josh Gordon, is going to make any difference this season. And I have to believe something is up with Gordon for how all this went down. Did you see the glee in Hue's face on Hard Knocks when Gordon showed up to camp? Roughly 3 weeks later he cut him. Something is up or in Gordon's case - down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFi Skins Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Gordon on the bench is better than most of our receivers actually in the game LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 If Perrimen drops the pen if we offer him a contract to sign..... pull it back! LOL at Dez. And Cleveland for another week. Otherwise, we are not far behind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeJacobyHOForRIOT Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) We need a nickname for these ghosts. The Casper crew ??? ? ....The no show Nancy's ? Team checkdown? Edited September 17, 2018 by JoeJacobyHOForRIOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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