Hersh Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) Why are people so upset? All of this is Tyrion's fault. Had the mother of dragon taken her fleet, her armies and three dragons straight to KL and ended this a long time ago. He's the real reason everyone is dead. Seriously though, how did all these dothraki and unsullied survive the battle with the NK? I actually liked the episode. I love that no one killed Cersei. She causes fans misery even in her death. Edited May 13, 2019 by Hersh 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 The worst part of this is that I’m now forced to hope against my better judgement that the old fat man will finish the books. It’s the only way I’ll ever get a decent ending. If the show was written this poorly from the jump, it would have been canceled at season two. No one would watch a decade of this poorly contrived bull****. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 But seriously though, why did Dany burn everything but the Red Keep with Cersei in it? Oh right, Cleganebowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Hersh said: Seriously though, how did all these dothraki and unsullied survive the battle with the NK? For real tho, how? Like okay, I get *some* unsullied surviving, they had some defending Mel behind the fire line, and I get *some* Dothraki surviving because some managed to run back after the most ill advised cavalry charge since Pharaoh's in Exodus, BUT to have an entire light cavalry army left seemingly? Could they at least have thrown in a scene of Dany stealing horses from everyone on their march south? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Just now, Bacon said: But seriously though, why did Dany burn everything but the Red Keep with Cersei in it? Oh right, Cleganebowl. My guess is she wanted Cersei to see her city burn before killing her. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said: I think the problem I have with this episode is that it hit all the expected notes but not in super satisfying ways. Scorpions are overcome...but not by any fancy strategy or anything. Dany goes crazy...but in the moment it's not super clear exactly why she's burning the city instead of the Red Keep. Cersei dies...but it's in some unsatisfying rubble cave-in. Jon vs. Dany was where episode 6 needed to go, and it's now there. Getting there was kinda by-the-book "we need to hit these notes so hit them." Really I just wish Cersei had a better end. That would have made up for a lot. I think I give it a 7/10. Cleganebowl was good tho. Everything is rushed, so even though story direction is not bad, it just seems unearned. Dany is basically the worst tyrant depicted in this show at the end of the episode. And that’s after 8 seasons of her being the supposed good queen. That episode was both satisfying in its brutality, and cringey in its explanation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Momma There Goes That Man Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 This was pure spectacle. And when you have pure spectacle without emotional engagement, the spectacle loses its impact and is meaningless. It’s hard to have emotional engagement with the characters when you don’t recognize them. I don’t have a problem with Dany becoming mad and becoming a villain. I actually like the idea and think it’s been wonderfully foreshadowed since the first season. The problem is that without the time and episodes to make that descent into madness, bitterness or hatred, it’s just not believable. I get murdering the soldiers, i even get murdering them once they are unarmed and burning the red keep down. I don’t get just a 180 into burning innocent civilians and children and destroying the entire city for the hell of it. You’d won. It was over. This wasn’t earned. We’ve seen Dany from day 1 and yeah she’s had flashes and impulses doing bad things but only in the name of justice in her mind. There was nothing to suggest she’d fallen into Joker level “one bad day and snapped” into murdering millions of innocent people. It just doesn’t make sense. Maybe they could have told that story but that’s not the story they told leading up to that moment. Also, the show just picks and chooses when it wants something to be powerful or important. Last week Dany couldn’t touch the iron fleet. This week she dusts them like they are nothing. Just because. Nevermind that it took 3 dragons burning one ship to bring it down during the Mereen battle/burning of the master’s fleet in the BOTB episode. Now they are exploding in an instant like a Michael bay movie. When the viewer can’t keep up with the stakes and threat level because it comes and goes to serve the plot, it’s hard to invest in the moment and be engaged. Clegane Bowl was hype. Finally a good payoff for something 8 years in the making. Also liked the Arya and Hound conversation. Still can’t get over squandering so much character development with Jaime so he could do something as meaningful as kill Euron and die in the dungeon of Kings Landing, still in love with Cersei. It’s worthless. Also, even before that, they screwed his character over by claiming he doesn’t give a **** about the innocent people in Kings Landing when the seminal moment of his life was killing a king to save them. The point was that he does care and he was a hero despite nobody knowing it. Also, the golden company had 20,000 men and Dany blows the doors off and then they basically are all gone? Where did they go? That still should have been a formidable force for the north and unsullied to fight, minus the door explosion losses. And why is Jon even alive? He doesn’t do ****. Why did the northern army ignore him? Did they take their orders from Dany behind his back to just massacre every man, woman and child in the city? If you’re telling the story of Dany going mad you can’t also have all of Jon’s forces go on a killing spree of innocents as well. Did they all go mad too? It’s impossible to tell a coherent story out of this mess. Really what in the hell are they doing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: My guess is she wanted Cersei to see her city burn before killing her. Like Cersei gives two ****s about anyone in the city or the city itself... Dany ends the show worse than Cersei at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Just now, Bacon said: But seriously though, why did Dany burn everything but the Red Keep with Cersei in it? Oh right, Cleganebowl. I think she snapped and/or she isn't so much mad at Cersei as she is mad at everyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, visionary said: I think they did...the clues are there...hints for years and one by one the people around her that she loves dying or turning against her in one way or another and she realized the people would never accept her like she wanted. I think they could have made her snap or her thinking a bit more clear maybe though. Her ride or dies mostly died this season. They made her too sympathetic. Outside of executing Randyll and Dickon Tarly nothing she did in other seasons pointed to she's going to burn a bunch of innocent folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said: For real tho, how? Like okay, I get *some* unsullied surviving, they had some defending Mel behind the fire line, and I get *some* Dothraki surviving because some managed to run back after the most ill advised cavalry charge since Pharaoh's in Exodus, BUT to have an entire light cavalry army left seemingly? Could they at least have thrown in a scene of Dany stealing horses from everyone on their march south? You may not of noticed, but the writers aren’t terribly concerned with any of this making sense. If the plot needs unsullied, poof unsullied. Just be glad the unsullied didn’t sprout wings and turn into dragons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Warhead36 said: My guess is she wanted Cersei to see her city burn before killing her. Maybe. If they had time to show Arya walking out of King's Landing on a glowing white horse, they had time to bring this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 so its pretty clear that Bran is confirmed as worthless? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 How do people reconcile this Dany with the Dany of seasons 1-7? Because she stood aside and watched her brother die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfrankie Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Well... It's like an article I read about socialist coups. Everyone one of them starts with a charismatic liberator dressed in work clothes who ends his reign dressed like he's Captain Crunch. Figuratively so here, of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, No Excuses said: And that’s after 8 seasons of her being the supposed good queen. But was she really? She's done brutal things to get what she wanted. She's gone on and on about her birthright. She has done a lot to help people and has been punished or betrayed for doing so at various times. She had unstoppable power and was told to hold back, to go against her instincts over and over. And finally she lost the people around her that she loved, and who supported her and kept her in check. She was betrayed by Jon, Tyrion, Sansa, and Varys. And then Tyrion tells her to hold back one last time. She probably doesn't think Cersei will ring the bells...but then...the ****ing bells ring and it's like the world is taking her revenge away from her. So she loses it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gamebreaker Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) Mad at the person in the red keep who killed your best friend, decides to kill everyone but her. Edited May 13, 2019 by Gamebreaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, bearrock said: How do people reconcile this Dany with the Dany of seasons 1-7? Because she stood aside and watched her brother die? Her first impulse has always been to burn or butcher her enemies. viserys mirri maz durr burned alive Locking Daxos in his vault Crucifying the masters burning the high borns and feeding them to her dragons under the pyramid she immediately wants to burn the slavers bay cities to the ground She burns all the Khals she burns the Tarlys she first wants to burn the red keep but yeah, killing innocents is not earned and out of left field. It makes no sense with her arc at this point 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epochalypse Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 I'm going to make a prediction. Dany orders Jon Snow killed. Jon willingly submits. Gray Worm comes up and acts like he's about to kill Jon then boom kills Dany. As Dany dies, Grey Worm pulls off his face and it's Hot Pie. Scratch that, I mean Arya. Hot Pie gets Highgarden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Bran can redeem himself by warging into Drogon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bearrock Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, visionary said: But was she really? She's done brutal things to get what she wanted. She's gone on and on about her birthright. She has done a lot to help people and has been punished or betrayed for doing so at various times. She had unstoppable power and was told to hold back, to go against her instincts over and over. And finally she lost the people around her that she loved, and who supported her and kept her in check. She was betrayed by Jon, Tyrion, Sansa, and Varys. And then Tyrion tells her to hold back one last time. She probably doesn't think Cersei will ring the bells...but then...the ****ing bells ring and it's like the world is taking her revenge away from her. So she loses it. If she was the crazy mad queen we are seeing now, she would've said screw the slaves after getting her unsullied army, killed all the masters for crossing her in Mereen, and flogged Barristan Selmy for keep badgering her about how to rule. She also would have said screw the NK, I'm going after Cersei first (cause NK wouldn't have been able to break down the wall without the undead dragon, doh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Just now, bearrock said: If she was the crazy mad queen we are seeing now, she would've said screw the slaves after getting her unsullied army, killed all the masters for crossing her in Mereen, and flogged Barristan Selmy for keep badgering her about how to rule. She also would have said screw the NK, I'm going after Cersei first (cause NK wouldn't have been able to break down the wall without the undead dragon, doh) She wasn't there yet. She still believed in her destiny. I don't think she does anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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