No Excuses Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Llevron said: This is just the first time Dems have thrown a punch in a fight they were already getting beat in. Long way back from where we are and still an up hill battle for them. They need to make sure they are guarded against complacency, for one. The people who just won and the voters who put them there. The biggest obstacle Dems have right now is themselves. I absolutely can see them resting on their laurels and not taking the fight seriously from here on out. Just like they did after Obama won, they might tap out of the fight and lose the rest of the way. We will see if they learned that lesson! Second Dems now are in position to HAVE TO move more to the center. I know alot of us dont like that but they won big yesterday thanks to Republican votes in Republican districts doing to Democrats if I understand correctly. That means if you take these peoples votes and go super libtard socialist nightmare they will make you pay the next time around and you will never get those votes again in their lifetime. Gotta know your base, and in this case I think that means the center. But I'm not sure about any of this. Just my thoughts. Trump is polarizing to the point that he will continue to generate a significant anti-Trump vote but also a pro-Trump vote as well. Hyper-hyper partisanship is the reality of our politics to now. The only change is that Democrats won independent voters for the first time since 2008 yesterday. There is a sizeable majority fed up with the GOP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 10 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said: Someone here posted that both sides would claim victory. And neither would be right. Smart guy. The victory on the Left is that there is now at least a measure of checks and balances against Trump whereas before there was only a passively swinging door. That’s something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 The analysis should take into account expectations and historical comparisons. Its very easy to see why the Dems victory isn’t what it could have or maybe should have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said: The analysis should take into account expectations and historical comparisons. Its very easy to see why the Dems victory isn’t what it could have or maybe should have been. I think it also needs to take into account demographics and gerrymandering. I wonder what the results would have looked like in fairly drawn districts. Mind you, you can't really gerrymander the Senate even if you can voter suppress the hell out of it. What will be interesting to see is whether this shift to blue in the House is representative of Trump or the Republican's long feared new demographic reality trumping their tactics of gerrymandering and voter suppression. We won't know the answer to that for at least a few election cycles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said: The analysis should take into account expectations and historical comparisons. Its very easy to see why the Dems victory isn’t what it could have or maybe should have been. +9 D nationally would make it the largest House vote win this century I believe. Regardless, historical comparisons don’t work anymore. America has fundamentally changed. 2010 will be seen as the year that marked a generational shift in American politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Springfield Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 How many seats did the Dems win so far in the house? Reps in the senate? dems on governorships? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, visionary said: Live look at the Press Conference: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Jesus **** rural VA and support for Corey Stewart: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Dana Putinbacker lost. Win for democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 12 minutes ago, twa said: Dems in Trump states that voted against Kavanaugh and won Senate seats: OH, WI, MI, PA and MT. Dean Heller, a yes on Kavanaugh also lost. Unless we’ve decided to shift the goal posts and pretend that a chunk of competitive races were actually not “competitive” but largely, rural red states that are +20 Trump were. Reality: Kavanaugh didn’t matter one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 48 minutes ago, No Excuses said: The only change is that Democrats won independent voters for the first time since 2008 yesterday. There is a sizeable majority fed up with the GOP. I think the point is they can quickly and easily become fed up with the dems too. 40 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said: The analysis should take into account expectations and historical comparisons. Its very easy to see why the Dems victory isn’t what it could have or maybe should have been. They’ve been raving for a year or more about the blue wave. I need to look more into margins of victories but the victories alone don’t seem as good as they proclaimed they would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 minute ago, tshile said: I think the point is they can quickly and easily become fed up with the dems too. Of course, but most reasonable voters should be able to identify a party that runs on real policy issues and whatever the **** is happening in the GOP with Trump leading the crazy wagon. Trump is who he is. The base loves him and everyone else loathes him. Democrats ran a lot of good candidates across the country this election, something they’ve failed to do in every election since 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 15 minutes ago, No Excuses said: Jesus **** rural VA and support for Corey Stewart: Rural va is not going to vote for a democrat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 15 minutes ago, No Excuses said: Unless we’ve decided to shift the goal posts You new around here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 minute ago, No Excuses said: Trump is who he is. The base loves him and everyone else loathes him. Yeah but exit poling in actual policies doesn’t really favor your narrative at all. All together, I’m actually concerned about these results and what it means for 2020. Dems better get a good ticket together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Lol, this idiot doesn't realize that Burr isn't going to sell his soul to protect Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Just now, tshile said: Rural va is not going to vote for a democrat. Rural va in the past still managed to nominate fairly moderate conservatives. Corey Stewart is a raging asshole, which seems to be the preference for rural, white America. There is a weird synergy between the GOP base and the broader party infrastructure where each keeps reinforcing the other to run just absolutely insane candidates. Without the changing demographics of NoVA, an overt racist would have been elected to the Senate from VA last night. In 2014 with these numbers, Corey Stewart would have defeated Mark Warner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 If the Dems put Pelosi in charge of the house again, I'll be unsurprised.....and still face-palm. She might be a great fundraiser and vote counter. But she isn't helping her part and more than her name is hurting them in a lot of these elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Anyways, the crazy is going to be dialed to 11 when Trump faces legitimate oversight outside of DoJ: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said: Lol, this idiot doesn't realize that Burr isn't going to sell his soul to protect Trump. This is an actual white house press release. Unbelievable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Just now, spjunkies said: This is an actual white house press release. Unbelievable Not really. Just a tweet that’s remade as if it were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaytoAli Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 I gues the POTUS doesn’t realize that the Senate Repus will use the Congress to cover their opposition to him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, No Excuses said: Rural va in the past still managed to nominate fairly moderate conservatives. Corey Stewart is a raging asshole, which seems to be the preference for rural, white America. There is a weird synergy between the GOP base and the broader party infrastructure where each keeps reinforcing the other to run just absolutely insane candidates. Without the changing demographics of NoVA, an overt racist would have been elected to the Senate from VA last night. In 2014 with these numbers, Corey Stewart would have defeated Mark Warner. What is it about those corn-pone, illiterate, crosseyed, uneducated, cousin ****ing people in rural areas that makes them vote Republican? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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