Voice_of_Reason Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Riggo-toni said: Alex Smith might be named Team President. I don't see him getting the GM title. I think its more likely President goes to a more established executive. Maybe Eric Schaffer. Kyle gets GM. Smith gets some type of EVP of football ops who has authority over GM and HC, but GM has roster control. I don’t think Smith would be President without any business experience whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, kingdaddy said: Why? With Dan's money, and certain demands met, I wouldn't rule out Meyer. Dan is a desperate man right now, he needs a savior as bad as us fans do. I asked one of my Cowboy fan friends what job he thought was more attractive to a head coach, Cowboys or Redskins? He didn't hesitate or have to think about it..."Redskins", because no coach wants to deal with Jerry Jones meddling. Pretty interesting answer and I believe that too. Also, the QB/WR connection to Meyer is very interesting....if Meyer believes Haskins is the real deal that could be enticing to him as well. He also could come in here and save one of the most historic franchises in one of the most historic cities in the country. Jerry doesn’t meddle. He’s the President and GM. The website says so. Everybody who goes there knows this. Now, he’s delegated more to his son in recent years, but Jerry is in charge. And Snyder has the reputation of actually meddling, ie: technically giving authority to somebody else and then subverting them. Dallas’ roster is much better. They are the biggest show in town and they have a rabid fan base. The Skins have an owner that has a reputation of getting in the way, an “ok” roster and a fan base in revolt. Whatever of it is left. I just doubt it would happen without a Jon Gruden type contract. Now if THAT is in the cards, then anything is possible. Because as I said before, if Jerry offers you 5 years at 8 mil to be the coach, but he’s still the GM, is that better than Dan’s 10M for 10 years and full control? Could somebody legitimately turn down $60M and full authority? I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said: Jerry doesn’t meddle. He’s the President and GM. The website says so. Everybody who goes there knows this. Now, he’s delegated more to his son in recent years, but Jerry is in charge. And Snyder has the reputation of actually meddling, ie: technically giving authority to somebody else and then subverting them. Dallas’ roster is much better. They are the biggest show in town and they have a rabid fan base. The Skins have an owner that has a reputation of getting in the way, an “ok” roster and a fan base in revolt. Whatever of it is left. I just doubt it would happen without a Jon Gruden type contract. Now if THAT is in the cards, then anything is possible. Because as I said before, if Jerry offers you 5 years at 8 mil to be the coach, but he’s still the GM, is that better than Dan’s 10M for 10 years and full control? Could somebody legitimately turn down $60M and full authority? I doubt it. This scenario is, in my opinion, our biggest hope that Dan dumps Bruce. He has to go big with a head coach and the big name is gonna ask to reside in the same neighborhood that John Gruden is in with Oakland. Any big name will know that Dan is desperate and will be paid a King's ransom to take the job. He'll also want full control and to pick his own GM. Dan's money is gonna have to take him a long way with the changes that should be coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre The Giant Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 57 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said: I think its more likely President goes to a more established executive. Maybe Eric Schaffer. Kyle gets GM. Smith gets some type of EVP of football ops who has authority over GM and HC, but GM has roster control. I don’t think Smith would be President without any business experience whatsoever. From the outside, it would seem that Schaffer’s earned it. Loyal to the team and Dan. Has an excellent reputation. Kyle seems like he’s Bruce’s guy due to his relationship w/ his Dad. Hope that Dan values him. We’ve been drafting well. Bruce said earlier this year that Alex still wants to play. He’s also got more guaranteed money coming to him. Would he give that up for a front office position now? I’m not sold yet, though the speculation is understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveakl Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said: Eric Schaffer - President of the Redskins Alex Smith - EVP of Football Operartions ??? - EVP of non-football ops. Kyle Smith - General Manager ???? Head Coach. I don't buy into the Meyer thing. I think it would be interesting. But I don't think it has a chance of happening. Doug Williams - President Kyle Smith - GM Schaffer - Senior VP of Football Operations Alex Smith - Executive to the VP of Football Operations Head Coach - Keith Butler OC - Kevin O'C DC - Karl Dunbar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Andre The Giant said: Bruce said earlier this year that Alex still wants to play. He’s also got more guaranteed money coming to him. Would he give that up for a front office position now? I’m not sold yet, though the speculation is understanda There’s no restriction on what you can pay a front office official. I’m sure they could work something out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Because its such a hard decision, what's losing the DMV to the Ravens among other things, if you can preserve a friendship for the ages. https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/12/16/redskins-season-nears-end-daniel-snyder-is-being-seen-with-bruce-allen-less-alex-smith-more/ Several people connected to potential candidates for the Redskins’ head coaching job have said that those candidates are interested in the opening but have hesitations about working for Allen and might not be willing to accept the role if Allen remains in charge. Still, Allen continues to run the team, overseeing offseason planning meetings and attending the NFL’s two-day meeting near Dallas last week with other Redskins executives, in addition to Snyder. People around the team have described it as “business as usual.” Allen, who rarely speaks to the media, has deflected questions about his future. When asked about it a few days before Washington’s 20-15 loss at Green Bay on Dec. 8, Allen said: “I’m much more concerned about the Green Bay Packers.” With Smith suddenly being seen more with Snyder, it has raised speculation around the league that the quarterback is in line to receive a front-office position. But one person who has spoken to Snyder, Allen and Smith says there is a belief that Smith wants to continue his comeback from the compound fracture of his right leg in hopes that he can one day play in the NFL again, and he is not actively seeking an executive role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSSkinz Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Our main issue is not scouting it's our inability to renegotiate expiring contracts and negotiate with free agents. Over the years I've heard Schaffer and Bruce are friends and I worry they have the same negotiation philosophy. That philosophy IMO is why all the agents have turned on Bruce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 21 minutes ago, JSSkinz said: Our main issue is not scouting it's our inability to renegotiate expiring contracts and negotiate with free agents. Over the years I've heard Schaffer and Bruce are friends and I worry they have the same negotiation philosophy. That philosophy IMO is why all the agents have turned on Bruce. I mostly agree with this. I'd add they aren't hot in FA period. I think the FO is a one man show as to kicking butt, Kyle Smith (and perhaps his underlings) and that's it. One major difference I believe...Schaffer according to most is supposedly very likable and trustworthy. Whereas at least based on agent surveys and the Standig article about what he found asking around Bruce -- is that Bruce isn't trusted. We've debated some about the Kirk contract. I sadly was addicted to the process as to culling any info I could find at the time based on the zillion reports back then. And it wasn't hard to pick up that McCartney and Kirk liked Schaffer but didn't like Bruce. Overall, I get the vibe that Bruce would be the dude if you walk into a car dealership that you instantly distrust and Schaffer is the salesman you'd be much more comfortable dealing with even if they offered you a similar deal. I wouldn't want Schaffer though running the team. I'd want Kyle or someone else with a background in personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakedtater1 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Lots of sprinkles of the same ole same ole... brucifer ain't goin no where folks. But I'm the dip **** for coming back for more each year..thanks a lot dick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Andre The Giant said: Bruce said earlier this year that Alex still wants to play. He’s also got more guaranteed money coming to him. Would he give that up for a front office position now? I’m not sold yet, though the speculation is understanda There’s no restriction on what you can pay a front office official. I’m sure they could work something out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Looks like fans are warming up to Bruce on twitter... Wonder if that first tweet below is correct? it might be. First GM ever to average 10 losses over 10 years? I'd assume he'd have the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 lol. Alex Smith is not seeking a FO position in the same way Zorn was not seeking a HC position. They aren't qualified, aren't on anyone else's radar, they were mistakenly brought here for a lesser role in the first place and then things had to be salvaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazedSkinsfan Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, bakedtater1 said: Lots of sprinkles of the same ole same ole... brucifer ain't goin no where folks. But I'm the dip **** for coming back for more each year..thanks a lot dick! One of these days, we will wake up one morning and log into Extreme Skins and find a 300 page thread that reads "Bruce Allen fired" and it will be a very glorious day. At least that's my dream. Will it come true? I don't know, but it's my dream damnit lol.........Better yet, how about waking up to a thread titled "Snyder stepping away and selling the team" I have a better chance of becoming a porn star before that ever happens but my God tell me how glorious that would be lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
profusion Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 All this stuff reminds me of the old days when sovietologists would try to discern the political state of the USSR based on who was sitting next to whom at the military parade or on which party official hadn't been seen publicly in weeks. All hail Generalissimo Dan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Browns fan below 11 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said: lol. Alex Smith is not seeking a FO position in the same way Zorn was not seeking a HC position. They aren't qualified, aren't on anyone else's radar, they were mistakenly brought here for a lesser role in the first place and then things had to be salvaged. The WP article seemed pretty pointed that Alex isn't going to have a FO position but has simply become buddies with Dan and Dan's wife and Alex's wife are becoming close. Hence you see them together a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bakedtater1 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, DazedSkinsfan said: One of these days, we will wake up one morning and log into Extreme Skins and find a 300 page thread that reads "Bruce Allen fired" and it will be a very glorious day. At least that's my dream. Will it come true? I don't know, but it's my dream damnit lol.........Better yet, how about waking up to a thread titled "Snyder stepping away and selling the team" I have a better chance of becoming a porn star before that ever happens but my God tell me how glorious that would be lol I seriously had a dream that I met haskins..it was crazy and I'm not a huge haskins lover...yet lol..it.wasnt in a football setting either...we need a miracle...to wake and see something like snyder is selling the team..Indited on some serious charge about some illegal porn ring of some sorts that involve farm animals on his yacht he don't even fish from...idk..we're all ****ed..especially us who really really devote our time to the Redskins every sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: Narrator: they didn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I’d like to see a new GM hired from outside the org. and choose his staff. Made up entirely of guys he believes in. In an effort to remove Allen, I am fine with that GM also being the coach for a few seasons. That strategy could crash and burn, but ABBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86 Snyder Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: Oh goodie. He just had to go and ruin a great theme show, didn't he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I guess all of those sources were wrong about Bruce getting canned last Monday. Dont ever quote Jason La Confora, he’s an idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Dan will honor Bruce by putting him on the Ring of Fame because he gave Dan 100 losses, what an accomplishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 If its Laconfora we are relying on then he is actually relatively pessimistic among the ones covering the story, he's the dude saying in his radio interviews he won't believe it until it happens. Laconfora isn't always wrong, he's the dude that basically broke the Trent story but was wrong that they'd trade him in the end. I'd say Finlay is the most optimistic, he likes doubling down on the idea that its going to happen. Russell speculated last week on air with Paulsen about it happening during the owner's meetings -- Paulsen said with much conviction its not going down that week, yet he does think its going down. It makes sense to me if Dan's going to do it, it would be after the season especially if its billed as a retirement. You don't retire with 2 weeks to go in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicksogj Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 12 hours ago, kingdaddy said: This scenario is, in my opinion, our biggest hope that Dan dumps Bruce. He has to go big with a head coach and the big name is gonna ask to reside in the same neighborhood that John Gruden is in with Oakland. Any big name will know that Dan is desperate and will be paid a King's ransom to take the job. He'll also want full control and to pick his own GM. Dan's money is gonna have to take him a long way with the changes that should be coming. This is absolutely not the way the process should work in the offseason, but knowing the Redskins it likely will occur in this manner. Most successful teams would spend a lot of time & pick the rt GM (or whatever you want to call them) before doing anything else in the offseason. That GM would then subsequently select the next head coach after consulting with other members of the organization. Hopefully this organization has learned from past mistakes, but I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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