Bozo the kKklown Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 13 hours ago, visionary said: The only way gun laws will change is if/when we start seeing dead bodies. Americans dont take this serious because we don't see the carnage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 I go to that beach all the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Burgold said: So, you want to retitle this thread the "thoughts and prayers" thread? I was just trying to give a friendly reminder about proper threads. I'm bowing out of this part of the discussion. I'm not a mod so I'll leave it to @PCS since he already made a comment t about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 1 hour ago, BenningRoadSkin said: The only way gun laws will change is if/when we start seeing dead bodies. Americans dont take this serious because we don't see the carnage. Looking at our media, we are desensitized and crave violence. I want to agree with you, but I dont. House used to refuse to vote on any gun laws, thats about to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 13 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: House used to refuse to vote on any gun laws, thats about to change. I wouldn't jump to that assumption. The NRA doesn't completely own the Dems the way they do the GOP. But there are a noticeable number of Dems who don't want to go on record choosing between Party and NRA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Just now, Larry said: I wouldn't jump to that assumption. The NRA doesn't completely own the Dems the way they do the GOP. But there are a noticeable number of Dems who don't want to go on record choosing between Party and NRA. I get what you're saying and why you'd say that. There are a lot if progressives coming in, gotta remember they tried to push a bunch if laws after Newton and couldn't even get a vote. Little stuff like mandatory background checks might make it out the house, not sure where it goes from there, but that's the only way it can start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 20 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: Looking at our media, we are desensitized and crave violence. I want to agree with you, but I dont. House used to refuse to vote on any gun laws, thats about to change. We don't see dead bodies. I think eventually we will be desensitized, but that immediate horror will shock so many people who are on some Call of Duty fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 On 11/8/2018 at 9:46 AM, BenningRoadSkin said: The shooter is apparently named Ian Long, and is 29 I am going to just guess: Misogynist, white, probably should have been nowhere near a gun due to past incidents, and probably on the right-wing end of the political spectrum. On 11/8/2018 at 9:47 AM, Spaceman Spiff said: Or is that what you're hoping for? Got three right out of four so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Got three right out of four so far. Props to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 20 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: We don't see dead bodies. I think eventually we will be desensitized, but that immediate horror will shock so many people who are on some Call of Duty fantasy. Of the real stuff, Nah. Looking at the media now, we see it all the time. I don't think it would take long for us to shake that off, not if we've still done nothing since Newtown. I'd support trying to show it and see how it goes, but color me pessimistic. Think we're passed the point of being disgusted by this and need to keep putting people in office that will pass laws for a change. Want to see how aggressive this house is, there's no guarantee they will just make Pelosi speaker. From what I'm reading there's a large about of progressive coming into the house right now because of this election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: Of the real stuff, Nah. Looking at the media now, we see it all the time. I don't think it would take long for us to shake that off, not if we've still done nothing since Newtown. I'd support trying to show it and see how it goes, but color me pessimistic. Think we're passed the point of being disgusted by this and need to keep putting people in office that will pass laws for a change. Want to see how aggressive this house is, there's no guarantee they will just make Pelosi speaker. From what I'm reading there's a large about of progressive coming into the house right now because of this election. I mostly agree with @BenningRoadSkinon this. Yes, we are a culture that is obsessed with violence but we also have a view of violence that's informed by movies and TV where we either don't really see it or it is sometimes graphic but even when it is, it's overly cartoonish. As a culture overall we've mostly been sheltered from real world violence (via war, shootings, etc) and it's true face for a long time now. I'm not advocating for forcing people to look at dead bodies from mass shootings but I think that people seeing the images could give the reality of it more impact. It's one thing to talk about an 8 year old being shot and killed; it's entirely another thing to see the body of a 8 year old with half of it's head missing and blood pooled around it from a .223 round and imagining that was your kid, brother/sister, or what have you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, mistertim said: I mostly agree with @BenningRoadSkinon this. Yes, we are a culture that is obsessed with violence but we also have a view of violence that's informed by movies and TV where we either don't really see it or it is sometimes graphic but even when it is, it's overly cartoonish. As a culture overall we've mostly been sheltered from real world violence (via war, shootings, etc) and it's true face for a long time now. I'm not advocating for forcing people to look at dead bodies from mass shootings but I think that people seeing the images could give the reality of it more impact. It's one thing to talk about an 8 year old being shot and killed; it's entirely another thing to see the body of a 8 year old with half of it's head missing and blood pooled around it from a .223 round and imagining that was your kid, brother/sister, or what have you. Sheltered isn't even the word for it, though there are a lot of people say in the inner city I wouldn't put in this category. On the kid comment, I'm having trouble confirming if any of the kids at newtown were shot in the head. I know the mom was multiple times. I don't think a floor of bodies will do it, we need video of the active shooting with bodies falling, which may help the shooters that want the attention. I won't get in the way of doing this, we should, just giving my two cents as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 I have no words... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Is that the new point we are at? That these become so common you can survive one an die in another one? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Renegade7 said: Is that the new point we are at? That these become so common you can survive one an die in another one? Obviously, these are just crisis actors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RansomthePasserby Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 6 hours ago, Renegade7 said: Sheltered isn't even the word for it, though there are a lot of people say in the inner city I wouldn't put in this category. On the kid comment, I'm having trouble confirming if any of the kids at newtown were shot in the head. I know the mom was multiple times. I don't think a floor of bodies will do it, we need video of the active shooting with bodies falling, which may help the shooters that want the attention. I won't get in the way of doing this, we should, just giving my two cents as well. I don’t think we should show video of an actual shooting. I think it will just make things worse by giving the shooters the added fantasy of becoming the “star” of their own sick “movie.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, RansomthePasserby said: I don’t think we should show video of an actual shooting. I think it will just make things worse by giving the shooters the added fantasy of becoming the “star” of their own sick “movie.” Once will be enough to say its worth the backlash. I would make congress watch one in a closed session or leak onenso they can't avoid it, that's who you gotta convince foe change, a lot of the electorate is already there, do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I've been to Canada a lot for work and play. It might as well be the US. Except it has had something like 15 mass shootings in a 100 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Springfield said: Obviously, these are just crisis actors. We are all crisis actors these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 29 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said: We are all crisis actors these days. Im hoping my next paycheck from George Soros covers my mortgage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbit Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 knew id seen that guy somewhere.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 2 hours ago, RansomthePasserby said: I don’t think we should show video of an actual shooting. I think it will just make things worse by giving the shooters the added fantasy of becoming the “star” of their own sick “movie.” I hear he was posting on social media during the shooting. sick ****s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RansomthePasserby Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Renegade7 said: Once will be enough to say its worth the backlash. I would make congress watch one in a closed session or leak onenso they can't avoid it, that's who you gotta convince foe change, a lot of the electorate is already there, do something. Ok, I can get behind having Congress watch videos so they feel the gravity of the situation. I think it’s glorification enough that we release the shooter’s name and picture... I would personally rather they be erased from history. It seems the infamous noteriety, the idea that the killer’s name was heard and had an impact on society, is what appeals to some of these mass murderers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 12 hours ago, RansomthePasserby said: Ok, I can get behind having Congress watch videos so they feel the gravity of the situation. I think it’s glorification enough that we release the shooter’s name and picture... I would personally rather they be erased from history. It seems the infamous noteriety, the idea that the killer’s name was heard and had an impact on society, is what appeals to some of these mass murderers. That's tough, the less info we have on the shooter, the harder it is for general public to have informed opinion about why they might have done it. If say we stop giving names and mugshots, feel the rest would make it too easy not to figure out who it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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